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Old 06-17-2013, 01:06 PM   #626
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I disagree that a character can have a personal "theme" that is only used once and then never appears again. A theme or leitmotif by definition is recurring, as it comes to be a musical symbol or sign for the character's appearance or actions. The two-note motif fits that mold. The track you are referring to does not.

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Old 06-17-2013, 01:13 PM   #627
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Hans Zimmer to me, is by far one of the most over-rated composers out there. Before I get turned upon by his Fanboy defenders, I will admit I still rate him highly.

I find very few of his scores stick in my head, it's very ironic that the night I went to see Superman, the excitement was coming out as a John Williams hum. I found myself also humming it when I came out the cinema still buzzing from the show (that short term buzz wore off when I realised with reflection I actually didn't like the movie particularly at all)

I wanted the movie to make the hairs on the back of my neck and arms stand on edge, and it would do this with the imagery/music combo. A grand Superman theme, played when Superman was being.. Well Super.. I got nothing, the score was poor, uninspiring.

JW score would have fitted just fine into MoS, I do however believe that change isn't a bad thing, of course not. However if your going to change it, make it a punchy grand theme, it's Superman after all, and JW nailed it first time round. So let's try ultra hard to try and make a good theme. Got none of that, it was bad enough watching 45mins of CGI destructive overkill, but without even a rousing score!!!!

Hans, talented as he is, will have very little scores or pieces of music that people will hum and remember in 20 years time. Something Goldsmith, Williams, Morricone, Horner and many more will have or already do. All just my opinion.
I agree with you that Hans is great, but can be overrated. I've before, though, I think he gets criticized a bit more than he deserves because he doesn't do melodic themes like a John Williams, Alan Silvestri, or Jerry Goldsmith. I find his music can be equally emotional as those types of scores, but he gets put down a bit because of preference rather than quality. That being said, I'm finding that this score is a touch lacking. I prefer his second two Batman scores over this one. It's got some rousing, emotionally inspirational cues, but it's not quite on the level of some other things he's done. till enjoying the hell out of it, though.

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I wouldn't consider "Why Do We Fall?" a theme, but I do appreciate how there's a bit of reprisal of what I call the "Bruce Wayne theme" from Begins there.

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I find his music can be equally emotional as those types of scores, but he gets put down a bit because of preference rather than quality.
I can enjoy Zimmer's scores even if it's synth heavy. Black Rain is a good example. Does that mean that approach works for Batman or Superman? It's debatable, but judging what he delivered for those. I don't think it does. His superhero/comic book scores lack a lot of what some of his best scores have, imo. His MOS and Batman scores sren't even on the same level as Gladiator, The DaVinci Code, or even Sherlock Holmes, imo. His superhero scores come off too simple and even at times cheapens some moments in 'em. It's okay to go simple, but he went way too simple for both DC franchises.

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Funny how Zimmer didn't deliver what he promised at all. Where was the old style Americana music he promised in so many interviews to represent Smallville? Where was the emphasis on Superman's heroism to make the score not as dark as the TDK scores? Instead the score is largely dominated by the descending Krypton theme and the heroism theme appears only a few times... and there's no "Americana" at all.

This is just like when Zimmer promised in so many interviews that Batman would get a complete theme later because "he hadn't earned it yet" in BB and TDK. Well in TDKR he didn't get it... guess he never "earned it." I'll know better than to read Zimmer interviews after this point.
I take it you pretty much feel the way I did abot it...like.."That's it? That's all...?"

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I disagree that a character can have a personal "theme" that is only used once and then never appears again. A theme or leitmotif by definition is recurring, as it comes to be a musical symbol or sign for the character's appearance or actions. The two-note motif fits that mold. The track you are referring to does not.
I agree. I took a film score class a few years ago, and while I've already forgotten most of the technical stuff, I do remember discussing this. I really liked the music that played during some of the flashbacks, but overall, I felt like the score in its entirety was very repetitive which is why I consider it unimpressive. Even now, after seeing the movie twice and listening to the score repeatedly for the past few days, there are several tracks that just pass me by and bleed into each other. There are only a select handful that stand out on their own.

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Thanks for that. I have a sort of dyslexia after seeing a movie. I remember it vividly, but can't quite recall the chronology of the scenes.
No problem, I didn't even notice it was out of order myself until I saw that post.

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I take it you pretty much feel the way I did abot it...like.."That's it? That's all...?"
That's definitely how I felt after the first listening. Like I said before, for a film that is supposed to be as big as this is, the score didn't match up to it.

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That's definitely how I felt after the first listening. Like I said before, for a film that is supposed to be as big as this is, the score didn't match up to it.
Part of me wonders if he was being too reverential to Williams' stuff...like he was trying too hard to do things the opposite and not have it be big and sweeping and really memorable, etc. I first wondered if the film may have not given him much to 'work with', but that's never stopped him in the past...he'll force something in at gunpoint if he wants to, y'know?

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Old 06-17-2013, 02:44 PM   #633
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If William's Superman score is a 10 then Zimmer's score is a 1.
Zimmer was perfect for Batman, I think his Batman score destroys Elfmans' but for Superman it doesn't fit, at all.

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Help! This is driving me nuts.

I have the 2-Disc Special Edition of the score, and I'm trying desperately to find a piece of music from a particular scene:

When Lois is on the Kryptonian ship, and she meets Jor-El, Jor-El guides her as she shoots Zod's henchmen. Meanwhile, Superman is chained to the table. The music is insanely awesome - a combination of a siren mixed with a weird techno synth rhythm, almost like a video game.

I'm sure someone else has asked... but please help! What track is it on?

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Old 06-17-2013, 05:10 PM   #635
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I know what piece of music you are talking about, but I do not believe it was released on the soundtrack.

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Yea! I was just humming that to my friend trying figure out if he knew or liked that part.....please let me know if you guys find out....I think it played a little during the bombing of the world engine to

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Finished putting this together using the Once Upon a Time in the West Ennio Morricine masterpiece Soundtrack that Hans was inspired by in his Sketchbook piece...Aligned it with the "Fate of your Planet" trailer...What do you all think?

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So that is the voice that plays around the beginning of the song? Neat-o.

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Can't stop listening to the soundtrack. Han's did a mighty fine job imo personally. Love it.

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If William's Superman score is a 10 then Zimmer's score is a 1.
Zimmer was perfect for Batman, I think his Batman score destroys Elfmans' but for Superman it doesn't fit, at all.

Zimmer's Batman scores were far from perfect, imho. More like average. Those scores don't even put a dent on Elfman's, Walker's, or even Goldenthal's Batman scores, for that matter. Though I do agree with Zimmer's MOS "noisefest"not measuring up to Williams' masterpiece. Williams score had a lot more heart and soul in it. While Zimmer's is the usual droning. If that piano piece or whatever is the heart of the score. Then he failed miserably b/c it was nothing special but redundant piano music that even a 5th grade pianist could come up with. This guy doesn't understand how to score superhero movies, imo. It's a shame that Powell or Davis wasn't available.I really believe they would've wrote something more fitting and even special. It probably wouldn't have measured up Williams score of course, but I bet either of them would've came up with something that screams this generation's Superman. Zimmer missed the mark again.

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I still think the Transformers composer would have done a really good job.

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Help! This is driving me nuts.

I have the 2-Disc Special Edition of the score, and I'm trying desperately to find a piece of music from a particular scene:

When Lois is on the Kryptonian ship, and she meets Jor-El, Jor-El guides her as she shoots Zod's henchmen. Meanwhile, Superman is chained to the table. The music is insanely awesome - a combination of a siren mixed with a weird techno synth rhythm, almost like a video game.

I'm sure someone else has asked... but please help! What track is it on?
I know exactly what it is, and I love the leitmotif he created for Lois in that scene (it was also used in the cave scene, and when she's investigating Clark's past.) Sadly, all three are unreleased.

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Zimmer's Batman scores were far from perfect, imho. More like average. Those scores don't even put a dent on Elfman's, Walker's, or even Goldenthal's Batman scores, for that matter. Though I do agree with Zimmer's MOS "noisefest"not measuring up to Williams' masterpiece. Williams score had a lot more heart and soul in it. While Zimmer's is the usual droning. If that piano piece or whatever is the heart of the score. Then he failed miserably b/c it was nothing special but redundant piano music that even a 5th grade pianist could come up with. This guy doesn't understand how to score superhero movies, imo. It's a shame that Powell or Davis wasn't available.I really believe they would've wrote something more fitting and even special. It probably wouldn't have measured up Williams score of course, but I bet either of them would've came up with something that screams this generation's Superman. Zimmer missed the mark again.
The Zimmer Batman score really resonates with me, I barely remember the Elfman Batman score but then I'm not a fan of the Burton Batman movies at all.

I can't remember a single beat of the Zimmer Superman score the music left no impression on me whatsoever.

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Help! This is driving me nuts.

I have the 2-Disc Special Edition of the score, and I'm trying desperately to find a piece of music from a particular scene:

When Lois is on the Kryptonian ship, and she meets Jor-El, Jor-El guides her as she shoots Zod's henchmen. Meanwhile, Superman is chained to the table. The music is insanely awesome - a combination of a siren mixed with a weird techno synth rhythm, almost like a video game.

I'm sure someone else has asked... but please help! What track is it on?
The siren is likely just part of the sound design, so won't likely be part of the music. I could be wrong, btw.

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Okay, for those of you interested, I've figured out a film order that I'm more or less ok with, after seeing the film last night. I'm not entirely sure about the placement of "General Zod" or "Arcade", but I do know that at least some of those tracks are used in those instances (I think those tracks are suites). I couldn't locate "This is Clark Kent", "This is Madness!" or "Earth" anywhere in the film.

On a side note, I was pleasntly surprised to find out that most of the tracks on the album are more or less the versions used in the movie.

So here it is:



CD1: 01. Look to the Stars [02:58]
CD1: 04. DNA [03:34]
CD1: 05. Goodbye My Son [02:01]
CD1: 12. Ignition [01:19]
CD1: 11. Launch [02:36]
CD1: 13. I Will Find Him [02:57]
CD1: 07. Krypton's Last [01:58]
CD1: 02. Oil Rig [01:45]
CD2: 02. Are You Listening, Clark? [02:49]
CD1: 03. Sent Here for a Reason [03:46]
CD1: 15. I Have So Many Questions [03:47]
CD1: 16. Flight [04:18]
CD1: 09. Tornado [02:53]
CD2: 04. You Led Us Here [02:59]
CD2: 07. Arcade [07:25]
CD2: 03. General Zod [07:21]
CD1: 08. Terraforming [09:49]
CD1: 10. You Die or I Do [03:13]
CD1: 06. If You Love These People [03:22]
CD1: 17. What Are You Going to Do When You Are Not Saving the World? [05:27]



CD1: 14. This is Clark Kent [03:47]
CD2: 01. Man of Steel (Hans' Original Sketchbook) [28:16]
CD2: 05. This is Madness! [03:48]
CD2: 06. Earth [06:11]
The 'This is Madness!' track should be track 2, after Look to the Stars right? I mean Jor-El says that line to Zod during there first scene together in the council chambers or whatever that place was, but maybe DNA is what they ended up using? I'll have to listen to both to find out. Thanks for the order, I will listen to it this way from now on! Cheers!

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So I added Flight and What Are You Going to Do? to my workout mix for my lifting session last night. I think it was the latter was playing during my olympic barbell curls. The crescendo hit right in my fourth set as I was hitting failure. Man, I've always had a problem getting past that to a drop set on biceps, but that music really gave me such a boost. Say what you want about the merits of Zimmer's approach, but it certainly hits the right emotional chords, so to speak.

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I gotta be honest, for a while I thought that a good live action Superman score just couldn't be done without the John Williams theme. But Hans Zimmer really worked some spectacular creative magic for MOS. The music was just incredible. Loved every bit of it.

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I thought the score was great but at times he didn't really use them in as rousing a manner as possible.

It just thudded along at times instead of reaching an appropriate crescendo, which is surprising since he nailed it on the Batman films.

Though I'll admit, I'd have loved to hear a Michael Giacchino or Alan Silvestri score for this film. Even Bryan Tyler would've probably come up with some great stuff.

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