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Old 06-12-2013, 05:20 PM   #51
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I guess im freaking out a bit because i want to see it succeed I want a larger dc universe to be shown and the success of this movie will greatly influence that, maybe it is a little early to hit the panic button.
That's my mindset too. I want to see Wonder Woman, Flash and more Green Lantern become big summer movies. But that's not gonna happen if MoS disappoints at the BO. I think it'll rake in a lot of money over the weekend, but this weekend will be judgement day. If the majority of the GA doesn't fawn over the film, it could have a hefty drop the following week.

Let's not forget that World War Z and Monsters University are releasing the very next week. I was expecting MoS to make 600-800 million, but now i'm thinking it's gonna make in the 250 - 500 range. Which isn't bad, but it'll be disappointing to WB.

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Or..........maybe it's not as good as you'd like it to be.
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Pretty much everyone at AICN loves it so far, it's got glowing reviews from them all. They don't count on RT, but just in case someone wanted some geek opinions.

is there a reason why they dont count on RT? do they have to review a certain amount of movies before they are accepted or do they have to run naked through the forest or something?

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Or maybe it is!

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That's my mindset too. I want to see Wonder Woman, Flash and more Green Lantern become big summer movies. But that's not gonna happen if MoS disappoints at the BO.
Not true. The DCU doesn't stand on the merits of MOS alone that's why the only connection there is to other DC characters is a 2 second Easter Egg

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Or..........maybe it's not as good as you'd like it to be.
Ok I thought it was clear in my original post but I guess not. That was directed at the reviewers who are comparing this film to the Donnerverse.

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is there a reason why they dont count on RT? do they have to review a certain amount of movies before they are accepted or do they have to run naked through the forest or something?
You have to apply to RT and get accepted before being one of their attributed reviewers. Some people don't apply. It's not an automatic thing.

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I've read many of the negative reviews and their gripes are pre-conceived notions for they feel Superman should be.

They don't know the comics, they don't know really anything beyond Donner.

Many yes have criticized pacing issues and there are some here and there but I can point out every single superhero film (including Donner's Superman and TDK) which have pacing issues.

Superhero films in general I think always have pacing issues and to me the pacing and a few of the scenes in the film didn't do anything that detracted me from the picture like others have. I just take it in stride - do I wish they totally ironed those pieces out, sure but overall, I'm SO happy with this film.

I come with the approach here that despite being heavily critical of the marketing - overall I really wanted this film to work given the prior aborted attempts. Had ANY of those other films come around, I guarantee they would have sat in the low 30% range.

This film to me is just so good, seeing it finally, seeing Superman updated, kicking ass and really being a hero. This is a great start for hopefully a great franchise and I feel the sequel will be even ballsier and even more adventurous and break new ground and be bolder with better story telling. That said, this film just works on all the levels it needs to. It's not a perfectly pressed shirt, but it's pretty much there. Just seeing Superman finally PUNCHING the **** out of others, WOW, seeing the range of emotion and seeing Cavill - he's excellent in this. Seriously, the earnestness to the rage. He has it all.

Donner's stuff was terrific and for me yes still holds up but I'm so glad they went in a different direction and really pushed things. The SFX and action are by far the best you will see in a superhero film and I'm so proud of what they've done. It's just such a blast.

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Majority of critics probably prefer Donner's approach(as seen with SR's score).

By this weekend we'll probably understand what the GA prefers.
The GA prefers ENTERTAINMENT and action. I hope it will have enough character for me, but I don't think most people are gonna look for the Superman Begins that I want it to be.

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Ok I thought it was clear in my original post but I guess not. That was directed at the reviewers who are comparing this film to the Donnerverse.
Well, STM has resonated for some 30 years, of coarse it's going to be brought up, it's the grand father of all superhero films.

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Superman doesn't even rank in my top five heroes so I'm just looking for entertainment. I couldnt care less if Snyder **** on the whole mythos as long as its a good film.

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It's true that the critics are, for most of them, not geeks, they base their vision of Superman on the Donner movies, and so, if they dont like what MOS does, they will say (and some already do) that this is not what Superman is about when they don't have the faintest idea what is.

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I've read many of the negative reviews and their gripes are pre-conceived notions for they feel Superman should be.

They don't know the comics, they don't know really anything beyond Donner.

Many yes have criticized pacing issues and there are some here and there but I can point out every single superhero film (including Donner's Superman and TDK) which have pacing issues.

Superhero films in general I think always have pacing issues and to me the pacing and a few of the scenes in the film didn't do anything that detracted me from the picture like others have. I just take it in stride - do I wish they totally ironed those pieces out, sure but overall, I'm SO happy with this film.

I come with the approach here that despite being heavily critical of the marketing - overall I really wanted this film to work given the prior aborted attempts. Had ANY of those other films come around, I guarantee they would have sat in the low 30% range.

This film to me is just so good, seeing it finally, seeing Superman updated, kicking ass and really being a hero. This is a great start for hopefully a great franchise and I feel the sequel will be even ballsier and even more adventurous and break new ground and be bolder with better story telling. That said, this film just works on all the levels it needs to. It's not a perfectly pressed shirt, but it's pretty much there. Just seeing Superman finally PUNCHING the **** out of others, WOW, seeing the range of emotion and seeing Cavill - he's excellent in this. Seriously, the earnestness to the rage. He has it all.

Donner's stuff was terrific and for me yes still holds up but I'm so glad they went in a different direction and really pushed things. The SFX and action are by far the best you will see in a superhero film and I'm so proud of what they've done. It's just such a blast.
IMHO, most here are so down on their luck and are going to go in with lower expectations only to see it and be highly excited and it be everything they've wanted. I call majority right there. Bet on it.

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Or..........maybe it's not as good as you'd like it to be.
This.

Once again, fanboys try to blame the Donnerverse for things that its not responsible for.

First SR failed cause of Donner, now this film is supposedly getting bad reviews because of Donner.

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Well, STM has resonated for some 30 years, of coarse it's going to be brought up, it's the grand father of all superhero films.
Porche was the father of the Volkswagen Bug but you don't compare a Bug to a porche 911.

This film isn't the donnerverse or even comparable to it. So any critic who takes points off this film for doing something different loses credibility in the review.

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If the movie doesn't make at minimum 600 million ww, JL isn't happening and a sequel goes from asap to eventually. A tentpole Wonder woman movie becomes a pipe dream.

Regardless of the reviews I can't see this movie making less than 650 million or so. Most males between the ages of 10 and 50 are gonna want to see this. Once anyway.


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It's probably going to end up justifying a sequel.

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Porche was the father of the Volkswagen Bug but you don't compare a Bug to a porche 911.
You would if it had Porche logo on it. This is a Superman movie. Of course it's understandable for people to compare it to other Superman movies. They don't have to, but it makes sense to.

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This.

Once again, fanboys try to blame the Donnerverse for things that its not responsible for.

First SR failed cause of Donner, now this film is supposedly getting bad reviews because of Donner.

but the critics compare it to SR and the donner movies !

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Yeah this to me is a 10x more exaggerated version of my hype for Rises... For a while it looked like it may be better than TDK and hence one of the greatest films ever made... then the reviews came in and i had to settle for 2nd best batman movie ever made but 88% is a masterpiece compared to Steel's probably 63-67% finish.

I blame Zack haha
Blame him for what? Execution? Screen play? From the sounds of it he excelled where he always has. I haven't seen the film so cant say whats right and wrong with it but from the clips and trailers I have seen this film is visually stunning.

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This.

Once again, fanboys try to blame the Donnerverse for things that its not responsible for.

First SR failed cause of Donner, now this film is supposedly getting bad reviews because of Donner.
It's not the same in this case at all. Unfair comparisons are being drawn to Donner by the critics themselves.

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but the critics compare it to SR and the donner movies !
So?

Was Nolan's Batman not compared to Burton's?

When a new comics writer takes over Superman does he/she not get compared to others who came before?

How exactly is this a bad thing?

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^ I think it's both. I think it's an okay to good movie that goes in a completely different direction than the classic Superman films. I honestly feel like with Superman, critics would only fully embrace it if it were a lighthearted-Donneresque take on the hero. And no, SR was a melodramatic and semi-serious Donneresque take on Superman. But it was close enough to hit the nostalgia triggers.

MOS could be flawed, and I EXPECT it to be, but there isn't that kind of nostalgia-shield that SR had. If SR is overrated by critics and generally criticized by fans, could the reverse be true for MOS?

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Porche was the father of the Volkswagen Bug but you don't compare a Bug to a porche 911.

This film isn't the donnerverse or even comparable to it. So any critic who takes points off this film for doing something different loses credibility in the review.
That's because no-one knows about Porche being the Bugs father - nor do they care. Maybe the point is it's not about doing things differently, it's about doing them well.

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