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Old 06-17-2013, 01:27 PM   #26
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Watched a bit of Rises last night...

After seeing MOS...Superman, Zod or Faora would just annihilate that older version of Batman like it's nobodys business.

Im liking the fact that it seems like Superman is the first superhero and Batman is either the next or he's been in the shadows..but they're both the exact same age it seems. With Aquaman/Wonder Woman perhaps active already but just really hidden to the world. Flash, Green Lantern, Cyborg all come later are somewhat influenced by Superman's costumed hero concept.

Back to Bale...I understand the differences now more than ever. And why a new batman is necessary.

Bale's Batman was more about organized crime (the big cats) and he was only going to stay in Gotham while being Batman for as long as it took before the people took back their city from the criminals & corrupt, until the day came where they were inspired to do so..then Bruce could drop batman, pass the mantle and leave like he said. He was nave to think that Harvey was the white knight to get the job done, it was always Batman that would be the one.

He wasn't really about the small-time muggers. It was a realistic telling, where he was only Batman for a couple of years. It was always a temporary plan. It was a closed-off world where Batman was the first and ONLY superhero in that universe. Meta-humans, Gods that we can see, alien invasions, super-powers, never existed.

The reboot is completely different. We'll get a young Bruce Wayne who is after the small-time muggers, organized crime, freaks, everything. He will be obsessively psychotic at times where he doesn't believe that Gotham will get better (like Bale's Bruce did), he will NOT be optimistic about the future of the city. He will obsess about never letting go of Batman. Passing the mantle wont even be a thought in his mind. Batman will probably have a 15 year run, straight, going through solo films and team-up movies and eventually his association with the JLA will let him warm up to the idea of creating a Bat-Family.

Metahumans exist from the start so that opens doors to Croc, Clayface, Freeze, Ivy not to mention more freakish mob bosses, because it's not as realistic of a world. But of course they just wont be exaggerated like in animation. Of course they will ground them a little more than in the comics just like they grounded Cavill's Superman a little more. But it's still sci-fi.

In order for this Batman to be on the same level as Supes, etc. We will need the genius Bruce that could have a mental challenge with Sherlock Holmes any day of the week. And a martial artist who could have a good fight with the likes of Bruce Lee. Bale's Batman did have a more realistic ninja/brawler style that was based off a real type of fighting. He reminded me of a cage fighter who realistically couldn't last too long in his career. The reboot has to deliver Mortal Kombat style.

Im expecting the odd CG cape. The destruction with the buildings in Metropolis had a lot of CG going on, I can see that dark and "different looking" approach to Gotham City. Still looking like a real city but adding some touches to make it seem more gothic.

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Old 06-17-2013, 01:46 PM   #27
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I agree with all that after seeing MOS...in 3D...which I didn't want to see in 3D.

Still good film, and again I agree, Shauner

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Old 06-17-2013, 02:08 PM   #28
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UGHHH I didn't have another option other than 3D. I hate that. Im seeing it in 2D tomorrow probably.

BTW for all you guys, here's a new quote from Goyer..

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If we can get a mainstream audience to accept this version of Superman, we will have set the tone for a shared world moving forward, a DC world that is slightly more grounded than the Donner versions or the Tim Burton Batman.
I actually love this quote. Because we know it wouldn't work to have this earth in MOS tied to a Gotham that feels like a gothic fairytale city, as if it's on some soundstage. And there's no question that if we get a Penguin or Catwoman, obviously they would be closer to the comics and more realistic than the Burton freak versions.

BUT it's still going to be more fantasy/sci-fi/horror than Nolan's movies. Definitely not as realistic.

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Old 06-17-2013, 02:14 PM   #29
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I can picture what Goyer is talking about.

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Old 06-18-2013, 12:49 PM   #30
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When is the Arkhum Origins video game coming out? Already out? What is the premise for that one? I don't really like the idea of a year one Batman on the JL roster. Doesn't make any sense. Batman needs to be seasoned as Tony Stark was for the Avengers. If they want a year one movie/reboot, then you'd probably want two separate actors for both franchises. I am beating the dead horse again, but you could actually retcon the young Batman with a younger actor, then get Bale back as an older version of that younger actor, since he'd have the gravitas in that role. Yeah... I went there... again...


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Old 06-18-2013, 12:52 PM   #31
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Old 06-18-2013, 01:07 PM   #32
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I don't know. I feel like if they wanted it, and if Bale wanted it as well, then we as an audience would accept it.

Kinda like how Dame Judi Dench was brought back for Casino Royale (and then QoS and Skyfall), and it didn't make sense. Not really. But, they wanted her back and she wanted back...and fans like her...so **** it, they made it happen.

Except, the big difference here would be tying JL into the Batman franchise. So, that does pretty much throw a wrench into everything.

As far as a Year One Batman, I'd be fine if they skipped it. Tim Burton's Batman did. We could have an early years Batman, but not a rookie. Just have him jump into the weird things, ie: we as an audience are brought in when the "freaks" start coming out of Gotham, and just have that stuff tie into the rise of superhumans and how he's brought into a world where an alien from Krypton flies around in a red cape.

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Old 06-18-2013, 01:22 PM   #33
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Im convinced that Bale would have to return as a late 30s DIFFERENT more comic booky version of Batman for it to work now.

But Mr. M, it looks like Batman and Superman will be in year two as of Justice League (or maybe the World's Finest movie). Sounds good to me.

I don't know all the details for Arkham: Origins but I would assume that Batman is in Year 1 or a year & a half into his career in that game. Not sure. But we're not getting the origin story in this reboot and im sure the first time we see this new Batman, itll be after his first encounter with Joker (Joker's probably going to be locked up in Arkham) and past the Arkham: Origins or Dark Knight state.

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Old 06-18-2013, 01:55 PM   #34
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Going back to your top post, Shauner.

Bale's Bruce became Batman, really, not to avenge his parents murders, but to honour their goals of saving Gotham. Which he did in TDKR. His mission was fulfilled when he got the city fighting back against the evil. They really no longer needed Batman, which is what Bruce wanted.

Yes, he did pass on the torch to and Blake would of course been ready, but I seriously doubt he would have to protect Gotham. Batman was the martyr figure, which nearly everybody looked up to, and his death in their eyes would constantly remind him of what he did. His death had to remain imo.

Only when Gotham forgot it, should Blake have emerged.

When I think of that scenario, I'm glad Nolan said no to them continuing things.

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Old 06-18-2013, 02:05 PM   #35
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I still think a JL Batman should be late 30's or so. 35 at the least. Then you sort of throw a wrench into your solo franchise because the new guy would only be able to play Batman a handful of times. You want at least four movies with the new guy, including but not limited to a couple solo films, WF and/or JL.

So I say **** it. Retcon Bale and bring his ass back for WF. Then do a younger version with another guy. Just kidding... or am I? This thread could probably use some juice for another 40 pages.


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Old 06-18-2013, 03:12 PM   #36
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Going back to your top post, Shauner.

Bale's Bruce became Batman, really, not to avenge his parents murders, but to honour their goals of saving Gotham. Which he did in TDKR. His mission was fulfilled when he got the city fighting back against the evil. They really no longer needed Batman, which is what Bruce wanted.

Yes, he did pass on the torch to and Blake would of course been ready, but I seriously doubt he would have to protect Gotham. Batman was the martyr figure, which nearly everybody looked up to, and his death in their eyes would constantly remind him of what he did. His death had to remain imo.

Only when Gotham forgot it, should Blake have emerged.

When I think of that scenario, I'm glad Nolan said no to them continuing things.
The way I take it now, Blake was setup just incase Gotham needs a protector but it's mainly so Blake could inherit his tech and put it to great use, especially since he's the detective in this story. Bruce in this version wasn't the World's Greatest Detective or a genius, just an intelligent man.

I don't think Gotham needs protection anymore so I don't really think the point is for Blake to suit up as a vigilante. I would like to think that Gotham is cured of needing anymore vigilantes. Batman is dead and did his job. The symbol now carries on through the hearts of every citizen, hence the new bat-signal for Gordon to put on every night as a constant inspiration for all Gothamites.

Like Nolan & JGL have said in interviews, the point is to not setup some spin-off costumed hero movie where Levitt plays a version of Robin or Batman. It's up to the imagination but I really do think they wrote it as a real conclusion.

It's a great closed-off trilogy that has tunnel vision in that it's mainly about Bruce Wayne and a down to earth Gotham City (that's like a Chicago or New York). And ive moved on. Now it's time for the Bat-God so to speak.

And Rodrigo, what I highlighted, that's pretty much the essence of that interpretation

Bale's Bruce was REALLY optimistic in all 3 films. He believed that the city could turn around. He told Ra's this AND Joker. I find the Batman of the comics is a little more pessimistic and doesn't believe in that crap. He's more selfish, he doesn't want to stop, doesn't think Gotham can turn around so he enjoys pummeling every last mugger/drug pusher/crimelord that he can get his hands on.


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When is the Arkhum Origins video game coming out? Already out? What is the premise for that one? I don't really like the idea of a year one Batman on the JL roster. Doesn't make any sense. Batman needs to be seasoned as Tony Stark was for the Avengers. If they want a year one movie/reboot, then you'd probably want two separate actors for both franchises. I am beating the dead horse again, but you could actually retcon the young Batman with a younger actor, then get Bale back as an older version of that younger actor, since he'd have the gravitas in that role. Yeah... I went there... again...
This is because you are under the false impression that Batman is meant to be realistic. He is not. The man is a monster in human form. He has intentionally used his anger, will, and resources to transform himself into that. In fact, the ironic thing about Batman is that he is the least human JL member on the inside, despite being the most human on the outside by not having powers. In many ways, even Superman is more human than Batman. Batman is just as much of a larger-than-life character as Superman is.

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This is because you are under the false impression that Batman is meant to be realistic. He is not. The man is a monster in human form. He has intentionally used his anger, will, and resources to transform himself into that. In fact, the ironic thing about Batman is that he is the least human JL member on the inside, despite being the most human on the outside by not having powers. In many ways, even Superman is more human than Batman. Batman is just as much of a larger-than-life character as Superman is.
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Also Nolan/Goyer see Batman as a human being who is realistic where if you have enough money and training (add some circumstance in there) you can be Batman. In a nutshell that's true, but they made it so "Batman is realistic so we'll make EVERYTHING around to be the same".

Now they need to drop Batman, a man with no superpowers, into a world that has more sci-fi/fantasy/horror going on around him. A balance.

I think his genius intellect in the comics give him a certain super-power though. Which he'll need for JL.

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Also Nolan/Goyer see Batman as a human being who is realistic where if you have enough money and training (add some circumstance in there) you can be Batman. In a nutshell that's true, but they made it so "Batman is realistic so we'll make EVERYTHING around to be the same".

Now they need to drop Batman, a man with no superpowers, into a world that has more sci-fi/fantasy/horror going on around him. A balance.

I think his genius intellect in the comics give him a certain super-power though. Which he'll need for JL.
Nolan is the one who said that. Goyer never said such thing.

Also, it is impossible for anyone to ever become Batman in real life. First, you would need multiple lifetimes to be able to master and do everything Batman learned to do. Mastering a single field takes about 10 years of hard work BTW. Then, even if it was possible, your body wouldn't last long. It would shut down not too long after you became Batman.

The only way for someone to become Batman is if science and technology advances one day to a point where becoming Batman is possible. But then again, the same thing can be said about almost all the other superheroes. Who is to say that we won't be able to create an Iron Man or a Spider-Man in the future?

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Recently, Goyer said the same. "Anybody can be batman with enough money and training". He's talking in general.

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That's not true though (about Batman). I'm surprised Goyer said that. It actually makes me scared for Batman in JL. I really hope they don't make Batman the human or relatable character.

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Well, he's still the human in JL, even if he's acting less human than most of them.

Goyer said this new Batman will be more realistic than Burton's but not as realistic as Nolan's.

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Recently, Goyer said the same. "Anybody can be batman with enough money and training". He's talking in general.
That's the same thing that was said in TDKR.

Does he even know anything about the character?

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Recently, Goyer said the same. "Anybody can be batman with enough money and training". He's talking in general.
"...except John Blake." - Is what he meant to follow it with.

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Anybody can be a hero, but only one man can be Batman.

Disappointed in Goyer saying that.

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I think he just means that anybody could be a version of Batman. Of course not the version of the comics who's parents are murdered and travels the world and learns blah blah. But anybody could be a version of that Batman if you had the money to afford such materials and trained physically. Nobody on the planet could be ANY version of Superman or the Flash or Green Lantern or Wonder Woman or Aquaman.

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If I trained and had the money, I still know for a fact I couldn't be Batman

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But you could choose to be a version of Batman if you had the money and the training and put your mind to it. You wouldn't last very long (depending on what YOUR approach is) but it's still a possibility. You just wouldn't be the Batman of the comics that Bruce Wayne is.

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