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Old 05-21-2014, 03:48 PM   #1
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I was just going through this thread
http://forums.superherohype.com/show...=467371&page=3
and it just reminded of me of how much people have been bickering this last year over the whole 'destruction porn' and 'millions of deaths' controversy in MOS. It never ends. So I've decided to try and end it.

So to try and calculate the approximate number of deaths I've taken New York as an example for real world numbers >>

NY Population density per square mile = 27,000
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/census/pop_facts.shtml

1 sq mile = 640 acres
1 NY city block = 6.4 acres
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_s...block?#slide=5

Assuming, half a mile diameter World engine crater


from MOS Blu ray extras
http://io9.com/man-of-steel-concept-...ter-1460841543

Radius = 0.25 miles
Therefore, Area = 0.2 sq miles


Now, there are 40 city blocks in a 0.2 sq mile area


Population density in one city block = 270
So we get the number of people in danger zone = 40 X 270 = 10,800

Considering, Perry white was very much in the danger zone and still survived (along with a lot of other people), let us assume that half the people made a run for it before or at the same time as Perry, once they saw the POWER OF DUBSTEP being thumped onto the earth.

Thus, number of people killed = 10,800/2 = 5,400

Let us assume that the people killed by falling planes and loose missiles were within the final disaster zone. Therefore the total death toll does not increase much more than say by 600 more.

Total number of people killed by Zod's dubstep AND other exploooosions = 5400 + 500 = 6000 people.

Zack Snyder says 5000 people >> http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/11/09...r-zack-snyder/


I dunno, but seems legit.

Oh and the POWER OF DUBSTEP >> http://youtu.be/Sge5sUNJkiY?t=1m47s


PS: Looking at those pics of Metropolis and it's size in the movie, I'd dare to say that only 20 city blocks were destroyed, bringing down the number of people in the danger zone to 5,400. Therefore, 6000 seems like a maximum in any case.

Cheers to all!

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Old 05-21-2014, 05:44 PM   #2
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I doubt Snyder and his effects team put this much thought into it but:


"assuming a half mile wide radius"

What if you assumed something larger? Or smaller? If you're trying to gauge the distance, pause the film with Henry (whose height is 6' 1) when his eyes are just below the half way point in the screen. Unless Metropolis is massively inclined or elevated, the horizon is three miles away (because at sea level the horizon is (in miles) the square root of one and a half times your height (in feet)).

If at any point the disaster area reaches the horizon, then the minimum radius would be 1.5 miles (assuming Superman would be standing on the extreme other end of the disaster area).

Also, population density and working population density are two different things. For example the City of London, only a square mile roughly in area with a population of 7,000. But over 300, 000 people work/commute to work there. Manhattan only has a living population of 1,626,159 but it has a working population of around 4 million. Also the population density is 27, 000 per sq km, not per sq mile.

Then bear in mind, the World Engine did not attack a residential area, but a business one. So even using your 0.2 sq miles area it would actually be closer to about 25, 000. How do you think 3, 000 people died on 9/11 if only 5, 000 die taking out 40 blocks?

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Old 05-21-2014, 06:35 PM   #3
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It was written 27K per square mile on that page I've linked to.

Anyway, I guess you're right. I give up.

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lol. seriously???
who cares??? its' a movie!!!

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More people died in the opening 20 minutes when Krypton blew up

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lol. seriously???
who cares??? its' a movie!!!
Then why are you on this website?

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I want to know how many were killed in TDK and TDKR by the villains and their actions. Then I want to know why when Zod and his men kill innocents it's somehow laid at the feet of the hero but when Bane and the Joker kill innocents that Batman is not blamed (rightly so, I may add)?

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I think Joker killed 12 people (if memory serves me correctly) in the film. Harvey killed 5, as stated- not seen.

In The Dark Knight Rises Bane kills around 10. His men must kill around 100 cops throughout the film as well as a few dozen people worthy for sentencing hearings.

Still considerably less. I don't think it's the actual death count that bothers people. It's the fact a significant area of Metropolis was destroyed. I reckon if there were a few terraformers around the globe that did the same overall damage as Man of Steel with the same death toll people would have been fine with it.

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The Joker destroyed a hospital. Bane was the reason people were being walked out to thin ice. I think those numbers are low. And again, why is Superman being held responsible for any of the deaths that the villain committed? This is my bone of contention.

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Joker blew up an empty hospital, the film makes it clear everyone is evacuated, and the only person unaccounted for was Harvey. I mentioned the sentencing hearings.

I don't think people hold Superman responsible. Just criticising it being over the top.

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If at any point the disaster area reaches the horizon, then the minimum radius would be 1.5 miles (assuming Superman would be standing on the extreme other end of the disaster area).
It looked like thousands had died to me.

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Then bear in mind, the World Engine did not attack a residential area, but a business one. So even using your 0.2 sq miles area it would actually be closer to about 25, 000. How do you think 3, 000 people died on 9/11 if only 5, 000 die taking out 40 blocks?
Buildings were falling on people.

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The Joker destroyed a hospital. Bane was the reason people were being walked out to thin ice. I think those numbers are low. And again, why is Superman being held responsible for any of the deaths that the villain committed? This is my bone of contention.
Exactly. It really doesn't matter how many people died, since it's just a movie. What does matter is which character is responsible. Anyone who's actually watched MOS knows Supes is not responsible, Zod is. Most people just couldn't handle that in a Superman movie there were so many deaths and destruction so they just turned their brains off and blame it all on Superman or Zack Snyder or whoever. I'm guessing these were the people who have never read a Superman fight in a comic or seen any animated media of Superman.

Also, most people outside of the US liked the movie (I'm from India) since most of them have never seen Superman The Movie and Reeves take on the character.

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