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Old 06-19-2013, 05:00 PM   #26
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Shailene had 3 scenes in the movie and had already completed them. Webb has no reason not to be transparent when it comes to this situation, which tells me that he's making this decision for exactly the reasons he says he is and that, although THR says Shailene won't likely be back, the role will be hers if she's still available in a couple of years.

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Shailene had 3 scenes in the movie and had already completed them. Webb has no reason not to be transparent when it comes to this situation, which tells me that he's making this decision for exactly the reasons he says he is and that, although THR says Shailene won't likely be back, the role will be hers if she's still available in a couple of years.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they in the middle of filming still? "Stream-lining" is something you either get during the script stage or during the editing stage after seeing it all come together. If they're just noticing this now mid-way through filming, how much did they look into the script? Because if it is that noticeable, it should have been - and more than often is - something they notice before they start filming. Then that points to there being a problem with the script.

To me this falls into the line of thinking that you can just randomly delete a character's poignant death from the film and that not impacting anything that came before it oddly.

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Webb seems like an authentic guy. I'm not worried.

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either way keeping her or leaving her they gain nothing because it doesnt matter. people are saying it like she had as big as a role as gwen or somone. that definetly wasnt the case. and an intro would be fine in tasm 3 if gwen dies or not. even in tasm 2 she could still die having mj there would just rush peter into getting better and the relization of gwens death IMO wouldnt sink in properly to the viewers

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It should be pretty obvious that Webb was taking a 'TV guest star' approach to introducing MJ, likely because he was trying to 'hedge his bets' in case TASM3 was to be the end of the story. Now that TASM3 and 4 are locked-in, he's got the chance to actually introduce MJ without having to go the Tv guest star route.

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It should be pretty obvious that Webb was taking a 'TV guest star' approach to introducing MJ, likely because he was trying to 'hedge his bets' in case TASM3 was to be the end of the story. Now that TASM3 and 4 are locked-in, he's got the chance to actually introduce MJ without having to go the Tv guest star route.

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It should be pretty obvious that Webb was taking a 'TV guest star' approach to introducing MJ, likely because he was trying to 'hedge his bets' in case TASM3 was to be the end of the story. Now that TASM3 and 4 are locked-in, he's got the chance to actually introduce MJ without having to go the Tv guest star route.
I think it is safe to assume this is the case.

Now that a fourth film has been confirmed, he probably changed his mind about introducing the character in TASM2. I don't think it has anything to do with MJ being written poorly.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they in the middle of filming still? "Stream-lining" is something you either get during the script stage or during the editing stage after seeing it all come together. If they're just noticing this now mid-way through filming, how much did they look into the script? Because if it is that noticeable, it should have been - and more than often is - something they notice before they start filming. Then that points to there being a problem with the script.

To me this falls into the line of thinking that you can just randomly delete a character's poignant death from the film and that not impacting anything that came before it oddly.
Just because the film is still in production doesn't mean that changes can't be made. Take, for example, The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. Portions of that film underwent substantial changes during production.

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The fact that ASM was so chopped up doesn't really give me much confidence that they do have a plan. That film felt severely disjointed. And if she was just a cameo -- how exactly does that take anything away from Peter's and Gwen's scenes together to the point where she needs to be deleted to "stream-line" them and then ask why they didn't notice this at the script stage if MJ brings that much attention off Peter and Gwen.

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Nobody said MJ was just a cameo in the film, she just had a very minor role.

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So apparently, MJ being cut out may effect the death of Gwen Stacy ending in The Amazing Spider-Man 2.

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Anyone else getting the feeling that we might get another stupid last minute editing?

Oh Dear God, PLEASE don't let this theory be true.

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so apparently, mj being cut out may effect the death of gwen stacy ending in the amazing spider-man 2. :sarcasm:
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Nobody said MJ was just a cameo in the film, she just had a very minor role.
Screenwriting 101 -- all scenes, every single thing must have a purpose of being there. So, MJ served no purpose other than to walk by and say hello? We're not talking Connors' son who was in it for one scene. We're talking about twelve minutes probably or twelve pages that are "just there"? At the minimum six pages and six minutes (from what we've seen). Some are saying six scenes, some are saying three.

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So apparently, MJ being cut out may effect the death of Gwen Stacy ending in The Amazing Spider-Man 2.
Some people apparently believe that, I have no idea who those people are, but not knowing who those people are is making it hard for me to know who here knows filmmaking and screenwriting 101 and who doesn't.

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Screenwriting 101 -- all scenes, every single thing must have a purpose of being there. So, MJ served no purpose other than to walk by and say hello? We're not talking Connors' son who was in it for one scene. We're talking about twelve minutes probably or twelve pages that are "just there"?
Constantly using "Screenwriting 101" is starting you make you sound pretentious. No offense.

Once again, who said MJ had no purpose?

That purpose was to introduce her character.

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bottom line mj wont be in the film she was taken out for a reason because marc thought that he would only have 3 films but the recent announcment makes it four so instead of rushing her in he will do the intro in the 3rd movie maybe she did have purpose who knows but that purpose will be saved for tasm 3 and somthing else will fill in the void of her scenes if neccesary

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Screenwriting 101 -- all scenes, every single thing must have a purpose of being there. So, MJ served no purpose other than to walk by and say hello? We're not talking Connors' son who was in it for one scene. We're talking about twelve minutes probably or twelve pages that are "just there"? At the minimum six pages and six minutes (from what we've seen). Some are saying six scenes, some are saying three.
They were probably just trying to simply introduce her. The amount of scenes act as her being in the universe.

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Once again, who said MJ had no purpose?

That purpose was to introduce her character.
No character has the purpose of just walking by and saying hello. There had to be some reason her character was there. Unless you guys think MJ was relegated to being as small a role as Jenny in MOS? Which I just can't see happening.

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The fact that ASM was so chopped up doesn't really give me much confidence that they do have a plan. That film felt severely disjointed. And if she was just a cameo -- how exactly does that take anything away from Peter's and Gwen's scenes together to the point where she needs to be deleted to "stream-line" them and then ask why they didn't notice this at the script stage if MJ brings that much attention off Peter and Gwen.
As far as I can tell, the only truly significant things that were excised from TASM were Ratha's death and the hints that what happened to Peter might not've been as accidental as it seemed and might've been tied in to his parents' disappearance, and Webb still has time to address at least the parts of the story pertaining to his parents and the spider-bite that gave him his powers, so I really don't see why the cuts made to TASM are so devastating.

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Screenwriting 101 -- all scenes, every single thing must have a purpose of being there. So, MJ served no purpose other than to walk by and say hello? We're not talking Connors' son who was in it for one scene. We're talking about twelve minutes probably or twelve pages that are "just there"?
The purpose of Shailene's scenes was to have been to introduce MJ to Peter and set up their friendship, which was to have been greatly expanded on in the future. It's really no different than a television series introducing a background character who later goes on to become a major recurring character and still later a series regular. The thing that has changed is that Webb no longer has to take that approach.

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Some people apparently believe that, I have no idea who those people are, but not knowing who those people are is making it hard for me to know who here knows filmmaking and screenwriting 101 and who doesn't.
Exactly, I was told that by someone who was an extra in Spider-Man 3 and The Amazing Spider-Man, as well as also stating that Sinister Six is planned for The Amazing Spider-Man 4.

Yet, that same individual stated that he had lost his sources back when the reboot was first announced, so I don't really believe the guy.

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That was from his FB page, by the way. However when I checked just now, he removed the status.

So again, I'm not buying anything until we get official confirmation.

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