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Or vice versa. I find it hard to believe that some people don't understand the reasoning behind this decision.

Tying the TV and film universes together will limit them both, and will only make the continuity more difficult to maintain.
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The TV show will have covered numerous villains over a lot of seasons before Flash begins to face his villains on film. I dont really see how continuity can be maintained without totally gimping one of them.

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2nd or 3rd season Miller shows up on Gustin's door step, introduces himself as Barry Allen... BOOM... Flash of Two Worlds. Multiverse concept introduced to the audience. TV and Cinematic Universes clearly defined, and you get to use the TV shows to advertise the film Universe, as with AGENTS OF SHIELD for Marvel. Or you reverse it and have a couple of episodes where Gustin is trapped on the DCCU Earth, he meets Miller's Barry and the results are the same. Miller is no where near some huge star that could refuse a request like that from the higher ups.

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They don't need to use the TV series to advertise the films. They already have larger audiences.

They should just do their own Flash of Two Worlds story with Jay Garrick, number their respective realities 1, 2, and talk about there being a much vaster multiverse out there with (if they're allowed shots of the parallels (DCCU being Earth-0).

Then uf there is ever a Justice League 3 with the Anti-Monitor involved they can do a crossover then with his forces invading the Arrow/Flash world(s).

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Or vice versa. I find it hard to believe that some people don't understand the reasoning behind this decision.

Tying the TV and film universes together will limit them both, and will only make the continuity more difficult to maintain.
That's not true. When you read Superman does this effect Batman continuity. When you read Justice League does this effect the continuity of Supergirl; nope not at all. Why would TV and Movies be any different.

Shield has for most part done it's own thing and found it's own path. At times it will play off the Marvel Movies which just makes the show that much better. The biggest thing they did came from Captain America 2. However the writers knew in advance what was going to happen in Captain America 2 and used as a plot device for the show. Now once again it is following it's own path. When we go see Avengers I'm sure there will be some follow out from Avengers that will spill in to Shield. While it might create a ripple effect it won't keep it from following it's own path.

So you're argument is rather week because Marvels Agent of Shield has proven that it can be done and done successfully.

The reason DC didn't do it is for two reasons. The first is that they went in to all this just creating shows and movies with no though at creating a shared Universe. Now it's to late to do so not with out rebooting the entire DC Universe over. In way this is a good thing but I'll come back to that.

The second reason is they don't want to look like there copy Marvel. When what they should do is follow in there foot steps to a certain degree. There is some logic and sound reasoning to what Marvel is doing. Marvel isn't interested in just making Movies and Shows and slapping Marvel on it. They want to create a living comic book that can reach people who don't really read comics.

All that being said there is a silver lining to everything. If Batman vs Superman or Justice League fail it will collapse any future DC Universe for a while. However they will still have Arrow and The Flash for sure they can use to reboot a DC universe. As it's isolated from the movies it won't be tainted by it if those movies should fail.

The bottom line is this. I disagree that tying movies and shows would hurt continuity and make things more difficult. I think it can enhance and make that universe that much better. However I will also say that what DC is doing may be the correct path for them. Only time will tell on this subject.

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sweet.Could it be that the Jl script has been written finally?

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I think WB/DC just knows that because they have the whole multi-verse thing going for them, that they can just do whatever they want and tie it all together later. A big part of me honestly thinks that's their intention. And that's fine, because so far I love all of their shows and the fact that they can follow their own path without being bogged down by the movies.

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Cool. Hope they can reveal whatever it's about.

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Brainiac is the apparent villain of the new lego batman game, was recently a major villain in the batman beyond continuity’s comic series, and is rumored to be orchestrating some big events in DC (convergence, futures end, etc).

I wouldn’t be surprised if they did go with brainiac as the big bad for either of the justice league movies, if not BvS.

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Parts 1&2 in one section?
Are they making them like Matrix Revolution and Reloaded? One ends with a "To Be Continued"?

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Thanks to Emblemmaniac for this information, This sounds like an Awesome rumour about these films but this can also be written by an enthusiastic fan.

Sorry for the unedited wall of information......but it's a good read if you're looking forward to the DCcU.
Know that the source might be a bit questionable, but it is allways fun to speculate, My good friend will introduce a little light into your minds.

He was able to extract interesting information. His English is maybe weak, but he has a VERY good source. I'll leave this here: “ Justice League - The working draft of script exists and “it’s doing fine” but… - some people complain that is “far too long, has too many characters, too many sub-plots, etc.” … - Other described it as *beep* amazing" but they believe that script is “TOO GOOD” and story will be too complex for casual viewer - At this moment the concept of JL is described as XXI version of “Watchmen”. And when I talk about Watchmen, I talk of this more extensive version: Alan Moore comicbook, not Snyder’s movie.

Anyway, WB has bad memories associated with both: comicbook and movie. - There are also few voices that script in this form is too ambitious for Snyder (which is strange, because best ideas come from him). - There is no single and main comicbook inspiration for this movie. However, you can feel some "Morrison’s" things (doesn’t specify which), and most of the material (storyline structure, the characteristics of some characters) is based on older stories - set in modern day - not New 52 (weird idea, but apparently works) - The working title is "Justice League: Brainiac Saga" - reference to the " The Great Darkness Saga" (not Dragon Ball, as probably most would think -.-)

There are some production ‘problems’ with JL movies… WB wants two-part movie, and at the moment Snyder (and his team) has material for three ~ 2,5h (very expensive and time-consuming) movies - and yes, it's all “just a seven-eight hour” JL origin story - it's a little different way than Marvel and their "Avengers" Hmm.. Why WB doesn’t want 3 movies, you ask? Firstly: because they do not want comparison: JL - The Hobbit. In their opinion, idea to share Hobbit into 3 parts was a “failed experiment”. Secondly: WB doesn’t believe that Snyder would have enough time for so many movies.

The main problem is that he wants to direct them ALL ALONE (like “BvS” and “MoS”). There was a proposal to use director of the second plan but Snyder refused. - So.. script is still rewritten, although the writers believe that it’s too strict to throw something out of it. Practically the story is actually closed. That means: there are the opening points (A, B, C…) and ending points (…X, Y, Z) “engraved in the steel” - At least two writers working on the script. One of them is Chris Terrio, but he is not the main writer and he don’t work on it from the beginning. The identity of the other writer(writers?), is a mystery.

About story: - Hal Jordan is a part of the movie. And he is one of the main characters (from the beginning of the movie he is GL) - WB preferred Stewart and they pushed for this vision, but Snyder wanted Jordan to “tell this story”. So he had a choice - 3 versions: young (20-25), middle-aged (30-40) and old (45-55). He chose latter : middle-aged. Snyder's Jordan is slightly darker version of characters than Raynolds. He is described as "" broken” soldier who returned from hell" (Oa is doomed).

Jordan is a character who stands in opposition to Superman. - Some references to Stewart and Gardner will be here (interesting fact: Snyder likes more Gardner) - "MoS", "BvS", "JL: Part One", "" JL: Part Two "- practically all of these movies present Superman story - his stories are ‘backbone’ of all events. - The main villain is, of course Coluan - Vril Dox – I heard that this name is in the script (probably we see Milton Fine story inspiration). There is also Luthor and… “others” (?) - Batman is one of the minor characters (which is incredibly surprising). - Ted Kord will be one of the “key” characters. There is a chance that we will see him in "Suicide Squad", wich is still writing (and Ayer is not only writer).

If Marvel has MCU - Marvel Universe Ciniematic, DC should be called DCCMU -DC Cinematic MultiUniverse (and in any case, it is not about connecting tv series and movies!) -We all know main theme of the MCU: infinity stones, but there will be no main theme of the DCCMU - instead a large weight will be placed on: concept of alternative dimensions (multiuniverse: Earth 1,2,3,4…), metahumans and cosmic wars - “Shazam” will be set on a different Earth. - Themyscira is a ‘bridge’ between two (very different) alternative worlds. The first is the world of "old gods", the second is the world of humans. - "BvS" and "WW" give hints, why WW not help Superman in "MoS". But they don’t say it directly. - In the "JL" will be explained (little) what happens with Green Lantern Corps and why they don’t react when Zod attack our planet. - Sinestro is still Hal Jordan mentor.

Snyder and Goyer parallel worked on "BvS" and "JL" in 2013. And after Comic-con in 2013 everything was fine and then... booom. There appeared conflict between them, which ended… yeah Goyer has been kicked out. Conflict concerned, about different approach to movie universe and characters. For example: Snyder wanted another (better) writer to "JL". He hired someone and gave him the material prepared jointly with Goyer. Goyer was very disappointed and pissed off when studio told him that he will be no longer working on JL.

There were also different vision for Luthor. In the first draft he was much older (45-55). Snyder claimed that Goyer version of characters is *beep* boring" and not inspiring. He is no challenge for Superman. He also thought that Goyer tried too hard humanize Luthor. In Terrio version – Luthor is pure evil. He has the motivation, goals, rich personality, he is not shallow, but he is still pure evil.

Affleck supported Snyder and when Goyer left, Snyder wanted guy from JL (this whom he hired) to rewrote "BvS". Affleck had a different idea. Well you know: Chris Terrio. Terrio accepted the offer. He got a box of comics, which served as material for "BvS" and began to research and education. He is not a "comic book guy” so he put in it a lot of work. At the beginning Terrio had only to rewrite Goyer’s script. Later, there was mass production problem (you even don’t realize what kind..). Studio decided to delay production and premiere.

Terrio got more time and wrote a new script from scratch. What is more, he was all the time in Detroit and working on revisions, when Snyder filmed the movie. - BvS In “BvS” we have: - "Bruce Wayne" (quotes is intentional) as a metaphysical mask under which hides the true character: Batman. Because – “Bruce Wayne died as a child with his parents”, he uses higher tone of voice (Affleck’s standard voice). Described as cockscomb and *beep* but still charming. - Batman – without costume: schizophrenic personality brought to life, when Bruce's parents dead, incredibly intelligent but emotionally unstable, more aggressive than previous versions, he has some mental problems (sometimes he talks to dead father), uses a lower and deeper tone of voice. - Batman in costume, he uses voice modulator .

Main characters: Superman> Batman> Luthor. Superman has more screen time, but Luthor has more dialogue / and literally a few interesting monologues. Final sequences BvS: Batman vs Superman fight –then----> Batman, Superman, WW vs Luthor drones (project "Metallo" reference) Batman and Superman fight is not finished, it’s interrupted by Luthor. When they fight Batman cheats (a looooot) and Superman is weakened.

Alfred is an important character. Kryptonite will be here (kinda.. Someone told me that: “Snyder is a bastard, creative, but still bastard, and comic book fanatics probably will be cry again”) Luthor is described as a mix of evil megalomaniac version of Gates / Jobs and modern incarnation of Leonardo da Vinci. Generally he is really Luthor from comics (only in the Eisenberg body) Yep. We'll get a very fast talking Luthor.. but this is not typical Eisenberg acting. He uses here a different accent and tone of voice. Apparently, everything fits together perfectly. Lex Luthor inspiration? Mainly Morrison (“All Star Superman” as a Terrio bible for the character), Superman: Birthright and Lex Luthor: Man of Steel (but much better written and routed).

WW has an important role, but she doesn’t have a lot of time here. This is not second "IM2" or "TASM2", but also not second "TDK" or "Avengers". It's just something “different”. Quite unique. Subtitle: "Dawn of Justice" is very misleading. WW is more on the third plan, Aquaman and Cyborg are ‘extras’. “BvS” is mainly “MoS” sequel and then a movie about Batman and Superman.

There was a crazy idea .. Of course Snyder’s: not convert "BvS" to 3D, and spent money to short (25-30 minutes) animated “MoS” prequel - you know: MORE KRYPTON, ZOD, FAORA, JOR-EL, ROBOTS... and add this to extended "MoS” edition. (like “Tales of the Black Freighter” to "Watchmen") Superman's powers will be presented similarly, but in visual terms “BvS” looks completely different than "MoS".

Interestingly, this still doesn’t look like a typical Snyder’s movie - cinematography, maybe a bit like Watchmen, but still is not the same. The tone of the movie is a bit different than "MoS". Still dark, gritty, even more realistic(?), but there is something "new" you never watched yet. After the first edit - "BvS" has ~ 3,5 hours runtime.

A lot of action scenes (as in every Snyder movie), but smarter and more creatively shot. Still less than in the "MoS", but better and more balanced. Batman and Superman fight was the longest filmed sequence. Tons of practical effects. Much more than in the fight "Superman vs Faora" in Smallville. About DCCMU… - WB has an interesting list of directors. Those more familiar, and those less (several nonames). - Alfonso Cuaron was considered for "Aquaman" movie, but he refused. - Was a chance to "Suicide Squad" in the category R. However, this idea was abandoned. - "Flash" will be smaller (120-150 million) and lighter WB/DC movie. Spike Jonez was one of the candidates.

Generally WB want this type of director. - The plan that was announced is very flexible, at any time may change- in fact, it's a little changed now. - WB has an idea for two movies about "GL". One about Jordan (main character) and Stewart - more serious and darker - Described as a movie about “obsession and fear”. The second of "Green Lantern Corps" with Gardner as a leading figure . - WB has interesting candidate to first movie (placed between "JL: Part one" and "JL: Part two"). But this director is type of man... Eh.. it is difficult to work with him. He is not “yes man”. His previous collaborations with big studio ended badly. But again he fits and he is interested. - Verbinski and Bird were the main candidates for "Shazam". But I think they both refused.

JLD got green-light. Del Toro probably only produce, and movie will be direct by someone else. - First concept art for JL, are created. Snyder oversees: Several variants of the Flash costume - most have completely hidden face. They also want to cover the majority of Jordan's face, because “comic mask is impractical and doesn’t hide his identity” Green Lantern structures = jaw-dropping
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Some fan-fiction considered as "details" of JL and BvS.
It was fun to read some parts But I don't believe anything yet
If anyone is interested be my guest. It's not as spoilerish as yesterday's "spoilers" of Suicide Squad.

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Nah. Not in any comics I've read. Especially not this lame new 52 version

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