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Old 12-10-2013, 12:58 PM   #1
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Another thread (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=463777) indicates that almost everyone wants Darkseid as the villain for the first JL movie.

So I have two questions:

1. Why Darkseid?
2. Which Story? (Existing or made up)

Seriously surprised that so many voted for him as the villain for the FIRST movie

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I think it should be either him or Starro, and why him for the "FIRST" movie? Well, why not? The Justice League is much stronger than the Avengers, they could defeat him in their first encounter and Darkseid could still return later, not to mention that while after Thanos there are not many choices bigger than him, after Darkseid you have a lot of options.

Hell, during crisis on infinite earths Darkseid even had to form an aliance with the heroes because the Anti-Monitor was such a bigger threat, you also have different dimensions to play with. I don't mind it if they only use Darkseid in the 3rd film, but i don't think it's exactly necessary.

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I'd much rather they build up to a third movie with Darkseid. He brings a lot of baggage with Apokolips and everything... stuff they really should lay groundwork for...
Add to that the fact that this film's primary focus should be on the JLA themselves and establishing them, and it'd just make for a really overcrowded, busy movie.

Starro would be a much better way to go. A classic villain, interesting but not too complicated, and it's practically made for a big CGI fight scene with all of the League going at it and showing off what they can do...

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I have to agree with Wesley here. He brings A LOT baggage and they will need to focus on JLA themselves!

However Lord, Justice League in the New 52 run does include lord Darkseid in vol 1. I have to say that was pretty good. He is an extremely bad ass character.

I could see something like that work and to include him in a MoS 3 or 4 for a Doomsday movie. Because if we have him in the first movie, he would have to appear again later on.

I think if we get to see how bad-ass Darkseid is in JL1 it would be cool to see how that "God" actually fears Doomsday. For Doomsday is that powerful, and one of the few things Darkseid fears. Could be cool if he keeps exploring the kryptonian background since Supes beat him in JL1 and encounters the beast locked away, and have a little fight with him.

Lord DS sends Doomsday to earth and voila

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Old 12-10-2013, 06:49 PM   #5
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Yeah, i have to agree with the notion that he could take away focus from the League, and if there ever is a full scale Apokolips then i would prefer to see a New Gods movie before and the deserved setting up. But for the first film it could easily be done in a similar way to the new 52 where the invasion was smaller and Darkseid was defeated, but with the promise of returning.

Problem is that he would be barelly explored and just act as muscle house in the first film, maybe the best way to go if DC wanted to plan ahead would be:

Film 1: Starro
Film 2: Tower of Babel
Film 3: Darkseid invasion

then the later films could explore the different universes, a concept that could first be explored in a Flash movie, and then we could have some Forever Evil and Crisis type of event films.

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2016 Apocalypse
2017 Darkseid
2018 Thanos

Interesting....

Anyways, I think we should have:

Justice League: Brainiac mysteriously infiltrates and shuts down the connected world (including much of the world's armed forces), and Ares escapes Themyscira to restore the tides of War. The world turns to the superhumans to save the day, but they have trouble agreeing on the best course of action to take, which villain is the greater priority, etc.

Justice League: Tower of Babel -- Opens in medias res with an Atlantean invasion, a twist that the 'kraken' Arthur is seemingly commanding is actually the one controlling him (Starro) and eventually other league members. After this is resolved, it prompts Batman to create fail-safes and we get Vandal Savage/ LOD for the rest of the film. (Perhaps with Doomsday and the Death of Superman).

Justice League: The New Gods -- Darkseid's invasion, followed by a rescue mission to Apokolips.


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Old 12-11-2013, 02:57 AM   #7
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Yeah agree with you guys. All awesome stories.
These are all big:
ToB
CSA
Darkseid invasion.
Darkseid and go to apokalips.
The invasion they did in the JL tv-series.
Starro

I'd definetely like to se Ares, Brainy and the flash + Shazaam part of Dc!
Lol too many good stories...


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Old 12-11-2013, 10:34 AM   #8
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Justice League - Time travel story where Darkseid kills the members of the JL in an alt-timeline(Justice League never formed). Time traveler goes back in time and warns the members about Darkseid's impending arrival, and warns that they all have to unite to stop him. I like this one in particular because it gives you someone that has the vision of where all the members are and that they have to unite them together. It also establishes Darkseid as a legit threat because he did kill all the members, makes the fight scenes much more intense.

In the first movie they defeat Darkseid, but don't kill him. Boom tube back to Apokolips. He swears revenge. This is where you launch all the solo films.

You have to come with a bang for the first movie. A legit reason why someone has the knowledge of where all the members are and the vision to see them unite. And you need a legit powerful villain that justifies the need to bring all these insanely powerful heroes together. Time travel and Darkseid gives you that.

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Thatīs alright with me. Yeah he would need to come back, solo films? Who would be mr time travel. Lex?

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I'm not a big fan of the time travel idea for the first film, i think they should start it simple. I like the idea of planning a trilogy that leads into a Darkseid invasion, which would also need a New Gods movie before. Problem with time travel is that besides explaining each member of the team and Darkseid, an already almost impossible task, you now also have to introduce timetravel and the way Earth is in the future.

FredOnATreeFrog@ i have to disagree with some of your ideas, while Brainiac and Ares are indeed characters that could be featured more frequently on JL comics, they're usually not associated with the team, i think they should be saved as final bosses for Superman and Wonder Woman's respective films. With the 2nd film i like the idea of using Tower of Babel, but i'm not sure of starting it in media res, i would rather have Batman with the plans already formulated after he first teamed up, or maybe even before, possibly starting the film slowlly until things start to go to hell.

Whatever comes, i would like to at a certain point see the Anti-Monitor, Crisis are some of DC's most interesting stories, and these often lead into other great storylines, like Sinestro Corps War

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Thatīs alright with me. Yeah he would need to come back, solo films? Who would be mr time travel. Lex?
I thought about that. It went from Martian Manhunter to Supergirl to Wonder Woman. That's a tough one, though the one consistent was a Future-Batman who was spared by Darkseid to live out his life in misery. He's the one who tells the traveler what happened and how to beat Darkseid, and depending on how the story is setup, the one who builds the time travel device. Never thought about Lex, but if you think about it, if it were Lex, it would be kinda similar to the story in DC Universe Online, with it being Darkseid instead of Brainiac.

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I'm not a big fan of the time travel idea for the first film, i think they should start it simple. I like the idea of planning a trilogy that leads into a Darkseid invasion, which would also need a New Gods movie before. Problem with time travel is that besides explaining each member of the team and Darkseid, an already almost impossible task, you now also have to introduce timetravel and the way Earth is in the future.
Well I was thinking that time travel allows you to flesh out each member of the team without having an origins movie and all that, it'll also stand as the driver to explain Darkseid. They are all apart of the plot, and the traveler knows where they're at, so it makes it easier to introduce and unite them. The traveler would simply meet up with Superman/Batman/WW first, and each of the 3(or all 3) would be responsible for recruiting the other members, The Flash, Martian Manhunter. I prefer to leave The GL out of this one due to clutter.

It can be kinda similar to MOS, spend the first 20 minutes of the movie in the future. The traveler arrives, explores the wasteland that is now Earth, Batman finds him, explains to him what happened and tells him about his plan with the time travel device(which he only has enough energy to use one time). When Batman is telling him about the deaths of the members, you show the fight scenes and how Darkseid killed them, that'll give us a good idea about each member's power set, as well Darkseid's.

Then the traveler goes back to the past and tells of his travels to Superman and Batman, then they go get Wonder Woman. Then the Trinity set out to recruit The Flash and Martian Manhunter. You can spend a good deal of time on The Flash and MM's story when they are being recruited by the Trinity. And then even more when they are getting acclimated.

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I don't like Starro being used, but I'd take these plots in any order:

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Justice League: Tower of Babel -- Opens in medias res with an Atlantean invasion, a twist that the 'kraken' Arthur is seemingly commanding is actually the one controlling him (Starro) and eventually other league members. After this is resolved, it prompts Batman to create fail-safes and we get Vandal Savage/ LOD for the rest of the film. (Perhaps with Doomsday and the Death of Superman).

Justice League: The New Gods -- Darkseid's invasion, followed by a rescue mission to Apokolips.

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Anytime, Blockbuster has made multiple vídeos about the JL

I'm of the opinion that the time travel for the first film is a little too much to start with, and that Tower of Babel is better for a sequel. I think they should start with Starro and if needed maybe another villain too, it would be interesting to see the team handling this Xenomorphean threat that could also become a physical threat, if they went into this direction i think the original 7 could be used.

But since this is Zack Snyder and WB then the first will probably feature Darkseid as the villain, if that happens then i think the JL should consist of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, the Flash and John Stewart as Green Lantern.

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Itīs hard to know which threat that should be used because we donīt know what we will see until the release. I do however think this is important:

1. The movie should focus on the heroes themselves, hence not using a threat that need a lot of explaning unless
A) Itīs someone like Lex who we will already know about or
B) Itīs someone like Darkseid that could come back and it would make sense/be awesome.

2. The heroes canīt fight off planet since the world should get to know them as the league.

3. No Superman villains from Krypton such as Doomsday or Brainy, not in the first JL! We already got Zod and Iīd prefer to avoid alien invasions again, hence not using Brainy. Also this is JL not MoS.

4. No alien invasion unless itīs Darkseid and itīs been meant to have him later on.

Personally for the first movie Iīd like to use Amazo in combination with someone else. Maybe someone like Savage[INSERT Jason Momoa here]. He wants to build a machine so that he can become conqueror of Earth. To do this he needs Amazo which travels around to different cities to collect the parts. He starts with Wayne Enterprises then Starlabs followed by Metropolis and maybe even Atlantis or Themyscira(powerful items here as well). Each time he fights someone from the League he adapts and in the end The League must team up to beat Vandalīs machine. Or it wouldnīt be his, could be that he offered Ivo something. I dunno.

My second choice would definitely be Darkseid.

Third is someone thatīs not so known. Maybe that guy who took Aquamans arm, Ares, Black hand or Grodd. To have Ares would be awesome. War among humans or Atlantians and Amazons etc.

For the second, third or fourth movie they could have anyone tbh. Itīs just the first movie that they need to really think about who they choose or which story they take.


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Not sure if Savage and Amazo are a big enough threat for the first film, in least when it comes to scale. I think characters like Lex Luthor, Joker, Ares and other characters who usually fight alone against their respective heroes shouldn't be used in the first film either, though i could see them teaming up for one of the sequels.

What's sure is that if Darkseid is used in the first film, he should later come back in possibly the 3rd film with an actual Apokolips invasion, with a New Gods film to lead into it too. I think the villain could work for the first film if used the same way as the New 52, but as i said, it would also have to not be Darkseid's final attack, and he would lose due to the League's luck and him not sending his entire forces.

I think Vandal Savage could work in the 2nd film with the Tower of Babel storyline, or they could introduce Aquaman and go all "Throne of Atlantis"

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Not sure if Savage and Amazo are a big enough threat for the first film, in least when it comes to scale. I think characters like Lex Luthor, Joker, Ares and other characters who usually fight alone against their respective heroes shouldn't be used in the first film either, though i could see them teaming up for one of the sequels.

What's sure is that if Darkseid is used in the first film, he should later come back in possibly the 3rd film with an actual Apokolips invasion, with a New Gods film to lead into it too. I think the villain could work for the first film if used the same way as the New 52, but as i said, it would also have to not be Darkseid's final attack, and he would lose due to the League's luck and him not sending his entire forces.

I think Vandal Savage could work in the 2nd film with the Tower of Babel storyline, or they could introduce Aquaman and go all "Throne of Atlantis"
Iīll have to admit, the likes of Ares and Lex usually fight their respective hero. Maybe they arenīt good to have as main villains but they could definitely be a part of the story.

I think Vandal and Amazo would be the perfect story. Theīre pretty strong(Amazo muscles and Savage brains), could tie Star(ling)city because of IVO who weīve seen on Arrow and it would give us a scenario where the threat isnīt an alien invasion but still be big enough for the JL and itīs also something that will take teamwork since Amazo absorbs all their powers. If they were to make Amazo in the same way as in JL where he felt betrayed by Lex or Savage and took of to space we could have all kinds of ties to space ppl.

Would also be cool if Jason Momoa played Savage.

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Wow I just read the synopsis for the upcoming JLW movie, and it has
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Darkseid as the villain that unites the Justice League,


that's crazy, didn't know that.

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That's because it's based on the first story arc of the New 52 Justice League comic book

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Justice League: Villain being Darkseid. Would be awesome. Maybe Starro for the first half until it's revealed Darkseid is the one who sent Starro to Earth.

Justice League 2: a Forever Evil storyline, but combined with Earth 2 and another villain. Perhaps villains from Apokalips like Desaad. Darkseid is maybe injured in the first movie so just his minions/army. Could be a cool 3 way war between the JL/JS vs. Apokalips vs. Crime Syndicate.

Justice League 3: Vandal Savage and the Legion of Doom. A TON of villains.

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Justice League 3: crisis on infinite earths



The Fourth World: New Gods vs. Darkseid one last time, Apokalips destroyed.

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Totally have to agree with you there. Amazo would be a great idea. would give way more time for character devopment

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Yes exactly and itīs also nice that he is a JL villain

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The way I would do a Justice League film would be to tell it mainly from the Martian Manhunter's point of view. Obviously his planet has been destroyed, then I would link that to Brainiac.

Darkseid would be film 2 for me.

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Anything but the New 52 JL/Darkseid story. Darkseid was my least favorite part of all of that.

The Anti-Life equation should be in play, whatever they do. I hope that they JL kind of "loses" to Darkseid for the first movie and allow the story to continue into a second or third - I'd like to see a world under oppression by the Anti-Life equation like in Final Crisis.

But I didn't like FC enough to want that exact story for the movie. There're too many characters to handle that anyway.

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