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Old 07-04-2013, 06:20 PM   #101
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^ It's funny, but I think Captain America has possibly the best opening of a superhero movie that I can remember. I feel like the middle section and ending really can't live up to the opening scenes of a lanky man in the streets wanting to combat evil.

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Old 07-04-2013, 06:20 PM   #103
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I think Clark being Clark in the Daily Planet and engaging more with other people will naturally bring out the humor in the interactions.

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^ Yeah. And there can always be "secret identity" humor

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Old 07-04-2013, 06:23 PM   #105
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^ It's funny, but I think Captain America has possibly the best opening of a superhero movie that I can remember. I feel like the middle section and ending really can't live up to the opening scenes of a lanky man in the streets wanting to combat evil.
Wow, you read my mind! Love the portrayal of Steve Rogers the man. The movie started a slow descent towards mediocrity when he got powered up, but boy, did the beginning carry the movie through.

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Old 07-04-2013, 06:25 PM   #106
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I'm not saying Man of Steel was full of humour but I think it had enough. Of course if the sequel is done a certain way and they want to use more humour then that's fine but I think people calling MOS are way off the mark.

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Old 07-04-2013, 06:38 PM   #107
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^ Yup, thought the amount and type of humor was organic and fit the moments for the tone the movie was going for - well, for the most part.

Loved TDK's variations of humor. You had Lucien's snarkiness, Alfred's oh so British understatedness and, of course, the Joker's loopy gallows humor.

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I like that most of the humor in MAN OF STEEL was situational, and subtle, VS an obvious attempt at a joke. Jor-El's bit with Lois, what Clark does to the guy's truck, the "so many days without an accident sign" during the battle, things like that.

I would think a sequel would have more sarcastic humor from Perry and Lois, and some unwitting humor from Clark, as well as Jimmy, and let's not forget Luthor, who can be funny and bitingly sarcastic.

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Old 07-05-2013, 01:55 AM   #109
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More TDK humor

Alfred: I suppose they'll lock me up as well as your accomplice...
Bruce: Accomplice? I'm going to tell them the whole thing was your idea.

Harvey Dent: Any psychotic ex-boyfriends I should be aware of?
Alfred: Oh, you have no idea.

Alfred: Know your limits, Master Wayne.
Bruce: Batman has no limits.
Alfred: Well, you do, sir.
Bruce: Well, can't afford to know 'em.
Alfred: And what happens on the day that you find out?
Bruce: Well, we all know how much you love to say "I told you so."
Alfred: On that day, Master Wayne, even I won't want to. Probably.

Then later in the film...

Bruce: Well today I found out what Batman can't do. He can't endure this. Today you get to say "I told you so."
Alfred: Today, I don't want to.
--long pause
Alfred: But I did bloody well tell you.

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Grumpy: He's out, right?
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Alfred: (looking at the Russian ballerinas sunbathing) You can tell me the Russian for apply your own bloody suntan lotion.

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I like that most of the humor in MAN OF STEEL was situational, and subtle, VS an obvious attempt at a joke. Jor-El's bit with Lois, what Clark does to the guy's truck, the "so many days without an accident sign" during the battle, things like that.

I would think a sequel would have more sarcastic humor from Perry and Lois, and some unwitting humor from Clark, as well as Jimmy, and let's not forget Luthor, who can be funny and bitingly sarcastic.
I think if Luthor is the villain, his humor should have a sinister quality to it. He's the guy I would want to be played really straight.

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I like that most of the humor in MAN OF STEEL was situational, and subtle, VS an obvious attempt at a joke. Jor-El's bit with Lois, what Clark does to the guy's truck, the "so many days without an accident sign" during the battle, things like that.

I would think a sequel would have more sarcastic humor from Perry and Lois, and some unwitting humor from Clark, as well as Jimmy, and let's not forget Luthor, who can be funny and bitingly sarcastic.
Lex can be a rich and unexpected source of humor. Plenty of potential there.

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^ True. Just as long as he doesn't describe himself as "the greatest criminal mastermind of his time" and explain his whole plan to Superman

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Lex can be a rich and unexpected source of humor. Plenty of potential there.
No. Just no. He is the villain. He is not supposed to be funny. He is not funny in the comics and I would love it if they would take inspiration from there. Enough with the funny Lex from the Donner films.

The only way a funny Lex would work, is when they treat him like in All Star Superman. There he was absolutely evil and full of hubris, but provided unintentionally laughs, because of his arrogance. For example when Clark visits him on death row. Lex works out and shows Clark his biceps, urging him to feel it and feel real power. That a sort of humor I could live with. But not a wisecracking Lex.

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Old 07-05-2013, 07:52 AM   #114
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I hear a lot of people shooting down the humor, but I think the reason humor is needed is to offset some of the seriousness. Balance is important in any film. Overly serious films should be somewhat balanced with opposite emotional moments.

This is all the more true in CBMs. CBMs should be fun for the most part; we're not watching the Grapes of Wrath here. And a lot of the fun comes in the part of seeing our hero use his/her powers to save the day or beat up the villain. Some of that can be humorous.

Romance is another way to bring in a little fun and light-hearted enjoyment in between the bashing up of alien villains or solving the villain's plan, plot or ploy. It isn't that you have to have a lot of interest or some complicated love story, but a little of that goes a long way, especially with characters that have great loves like Lois and Superman.

Humor is a part of our daily lives. I think its safe to say that people laugh every day. So going to a movie, and movies are supposed to be escapist entertainment, and not laughing at all or very little? Doesn't sound like a good time at the movies. Now I'm not advocating we get a Eddie Murphy or Chris Rock to drop one-liners throughout the film, but it needs humor. The best films have all splashed enough humor around to make the rest of the film enjoyable.
But that is your opinion. In my opinion a movie loses its tension the funnier it gets. I already get that with the Marvel movies. I don't need that from DC too.

Just because humor is part of our daily lives doesn't make it mandatory for a fun film. It seems like a lot of people don't get the difference between humor and fun. Yeah, I want fun in my superhero movies and I got much more fun out of the Dark Knight trilogy and MoS then out of any Marvel film, all of which have had a lot more humor. For me, it is fun to be thrilled and fear for the characters. Its fun to have huge dire stakes against the hero and see him overcome that. Undermining that with laughs is for me the wrong way to go.
As much as I enjoyed Iron Man 3, it had so much humor in it that I could not take anything in it seriously.

Apart from small doses of humor, like in Dark Knight or MoS, too much humor doesn't mesh well with drama and I want to see drama in a superhero film, not comedy.
Its the same in the comicbooks. The best ones take themself pretty seriously and provide drama without many laughs. Thats the way I want DC to continue making movies, since thehumor fans allready have their Marvel stuff to fall back on.

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No. Just no. He is the villain. He is not supposed to be funny. He is not funny in the comics and I would love it if they would take inspiration from there. Enough with the funny Lex from the Donner films.

The only way a funny Lex would work, is when they treat him like in All Star Superman. There he was absolutely evil and full of hubris, but provided unintentionally laughs, because of his arrogance. For example when Clark visits him on death row. Lex works out and shows Clark his biceps, urging him to feel it and feel real power. That a sort of humor I could live with. But not a wisecracking Lex.
Yes. I think Luthor should be mostly serious. Maybe a few "sick jokes" now and then, but even those should be unsettling.

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No. Just no. He is the villain. He is not supposed to be funny. He is not funny in the comics and I would love it if they would take inspiration from there. Enough with the funny Lex from the Donner films.

The only way a funny Lex would work, is when they treat him like in All Star Superman. There he was absolutely evil and full of hubris, but provided unintentionally laughs, because of his arrogance. For example when Clark visits him on death row. Lex works out and shows Clark his biceps, urging him to feel it and feel real power. That a sort of humor I could live with. But not a wisecracking Lex.
Agree, that's why I said "unexpected source of humor."

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But that is your opinion. In my opinion a movie loses its tension the funnier it gets. I already get that with the Marvel movies. I don't need that from DC too.

Just because humor is part of our daily lives doesn't make it mandatory for a fun film. It seems like a lot of people don't get the difference between humor and fun. Yeah, I want fun in my superhero movies and I got much more fun out of the Dark Knight trilogy and MoS then out of any Marvel film, all of which have had a lot more humor. For me, it is fun to be thrilled and fear for the characters. Its fun to have huge dire stakes against the hero and see him overcome that. Undermining that with laughs is for me the wrong way to go.
As much as I enjoyed Iron Man 3, it had so much humor in it that I could not take anything in it seriously.

Apart from small doses of humor, like in Dark Knight or MoS, too much humor doesn't mesh well with drama and I want to see drama in a superhero film, not comedy.
Its the same in the comicbooks. The best ones take themself pretty seriously and provide drama without many laughs. Thats the way I want DC to continue making movies, since thehumor fans allready have their Marvel stuff to fall back on.
I agree with that. I had fun with MOS. Not because I had to chuckle every couple minutes, but because it was pretty much an exhilarating roller coaster ride. I don't need jokes to lighten the mood every couple minutes. Sometimes I just want them to carry on with the drama and raise the stakes. It also really depends on the circumstances and characters. Spider-Man and Iron Man are the kind of heroes that deal with dangerous situation by being humorous. But even for them, there comes a point where they stop quipping.

In MOS, I can't think of a single situation during the fights, where it would have been natural to joke, in order to lighten the mood. The stakes were always high. He didn't deal with a bunch of bank robbers, who wasted tons of bullets on him and don't realize that nothing hurts him.

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^ True. Just as long as he doesn't describe himself as "the greatest criminal mastermind of his time" and explain his whole plan to Superman
He wouldn't; Goyer would have another character described him that way.

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I hope the next movie is completely serious. I mean, it's pretty well known that I'm a big comic book fan, and if other people see this movie and it's a big jokefest like Iron Man 3 was, they'll think I'm some sort of huge manchild, and I totally cannot deal with that sort of judgement.

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I agree with that. I had fun with MOS. Not because I had to chuckle every couple minutes, but because it was pretty much an exhilarating roller coaster ride. I don't need jokes to lighten the mood every couple minutes. Sometimes I just want them to carry on with the drama and raise the stakes. It also really depends on the circumstances and characters. Spider-Man and Iron Man are the kind of heroes that deal with dangerous situation by being humorous. But even for them, there comes a point where they stop quipping.

In MOS, I can't think of a single situation during the fights, where it would have been natural to joke, in order to lighten the mood. The stakes were always high. He didn't deal with a bunch of bank robbers, who wasted tons of bullets on him and don't realize that nothing hurts him.
Yes, bang on if I want humour I'd watch a film for that like a comedy

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Yeah, I thought there was plenty of good, subtle humor in MOS.

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Yeah, I thought there was plenty of good, subtle humor in MOS.
Yeah and that's all it needed.

If they want to add some more humour in the sequel and it fits then fine I just don't like when it's forced. That's why I think it was done best in MOS the humour there was just fit.

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Yeah, I don't want Superman to be a wisecracking smartass, that's Tony Stark. And I also don't want a bunch of zany, silly scenes that will turn people off. That's what happened in Green Lantern; a film I actually didn't hate but a LOT of other people did and it bombed big time.

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Yeah, I thought there was plenty of good, subtle humor in MOS.
Agreed. The dick measuring and the bucket. The Truck. Lois having the Online guy leak her story. Lois saying that Clark let them handcuff him, cue the eyebrow. Lombard being a little kid when Perry wants to tear Lois a new one. "Are you 'effin stupid!" There were definitely smile moments. Just because I didn't laugh out loud, like when Tony Stark hit the ceiling during Iron Man 1, doesn't mean it wasn't good.

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Yeah, I don't want Superman to be a wisecracking smartass, that's Tony Stark. And I also don't want a bunch of zany, silly scenes that will turn people off. That's what happened in Green Lantern; a film I actually didn't hate but a LOT of other people did and it bombed big time.
Exactly I liked Green Lantern, it disappointed me but it was entertaining and I never got bored

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Agreed. The dick measuring and the bucket. The Truck. Lois having the Online guy leak her story. Lois saying that Clark let them handcuff him, cue the eyebrow. Lombard being a little kid when Perry wants to tear Lois a new one. "Are you 'effin stupid!" There were definitely smile moments. Just because I didn't laugh out loud, like when Tony Stark hit the ceiling during Iron Man 1, doesn't mean it wasn't good.
My favourite moment that made me laugh was the one where Superman got his powers back on the Black Zero, Jax Ur bricked it and Superman just snapped his shackles off and gave him this look of "I don't have time for this"

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