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Old 01-12-2014, 02:23 PM   #701
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I liked Brosnan in Goldeneye. It was the only one of his Bond films that had a decent script.

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Old 01-12-2014, 02:24 PM   #702
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They needed him with Connery coming back for NSNA. And I actually liked Octopussy. I know people don't like it around here, but it is a fun Indiana Jones-esque action film.

Octopussy should have been his last though.
He was too old in Octopussy, and more importantly he LOOKED too old. He was already getting there in FYEO, but it was still overlookable there. He really should have quit after that.

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He was too old in Octopussy, and more importantly he LOOKED too old. He was already getting there in FYEO, but it was still overlookable there. He really should have quit after that.
EON was going to move on, but like I said as soon as it was announced that Connery was coming back in a rival series, they couldn't afford to let Moore go. Whether he was long in the tooth or not (and I agree that he was), didn't matter at that point. James Brolin would have gotten slaughtered by Connery.

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I still like Dalton in TLD though. I would like him to keep that in his catalogue. I'd give him Goldeneye too, as that movie almost seems as if it were written for him. However, I'd be willing to sacrifice TLD to Brosnan if it meant giving Dalton more movies. Brosnan could have TLD, TND, TWINE and DAD. Dalton could have LTK, GE, CR and SF. Not sure what to do with QOS. Get Olga Kurylenko out of there and stick her in another movie, and then we could just dump QOS altogether. Not that I like DAD either (and think it's the worst Bond film ever), but Brosnan can keep it.
So pretty much you're just giving Dalton the better Bond movies?

I'd give Skyfall and Casino Royale to Brosnan, and give Dalton Tomorrow Never Dies and keep The Living Daylights with Dalton. I actually liked the chemistry between Pierce's Bond and Dench's M and think that the more M centric movies would better for pierce since Pierce's more suave, wittier Bond goes up better against M's stern personality. Also, I think Brosnan was a much more charming Bond which I think goes better with scenes in Casino Royale.

I think Dalton's more badass aggressive style would have been at least a better contrast to Jonathan Pryce's goofiness in TND, and The Living Daylights I think was made better because Dalton was a more serious Bond.

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I would have moved on from Dalton for Goldeneye. Things just weren't the same with the six year break and the end of the Cold War. The whole world had changed. It was time to leave the past behind. And for Goldeneye it worked and Brosnan did a great job. It was only after that that things progressively got worse.

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So pretty much you're just giving Dalton the better Bond movies?

I'd give Skyfall and Casino Royale to Brosnan, and give Dalton Tomorrow Never Dies and keep The Living Daylights with Dalton. I actually liked the chemistry between Pierce's Bond and Dench's M and think that the more M centric movies would better for pierce since Pierce's more suave, wittier Bond goes up better against M's stern personality. Also, I think Brosnan was a much more charming Bond which I think goes better with scenes in Casino Royale.

I think Dalton's more badass aggressive style would have been at least a better contrast to Jonathan Pryce's goofiness in TND, and The Living Daylights I think was made better because Dalton was a more serious Bond.
Well that's what I said, didn't I? Give Brosnan the duds!

I don't see Brosnan working in CR. Dalton fits in with the style of it much better. I don't see Brosnan putting up much resistance during the whacking of his testicles scene.

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Also, Dalton wasn't fired. He didn't want to do it anymore.

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Watching QoS again made me appreciate some of the quieter moments more. When Bond was about to kill himself and Camille to spare them from the fire

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IMO the low point of the 007 series was MOONRAKER - the gondola coming out of the water!

Timothy Dalton's series suffered because of his lack of bedding every woman that came along. Remember this was when the AIDS 'crisis' was at its highest and that storyline was not very popular.

Pierce Brosnan's 007 finally arrived in DIE ANOTHER DAY when he returns from captivity in North Korea. He has a good tough edge and is classic Bond. And Halle Berry is great. The sword fight is extremely well staged. It is just too bad that the rest of the movie is so, so bad! That invisible Aston Martin is as bad as the gondola.

CASINO ROYALE was great. Daniel Craig is great. I still find it difficult to accept a blond Bond though and a lady M. QUANTUM OF SOLACE was a big let down, but SKYFALL brought the franchise back to life after that disaster. I like the new Q and Ralph Fiennes as the new M and think they will go well.

I have no criticism at all for ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE. Okay, it would have been nice to have Sean Connery back, but Lazenby did well enough to hold his own in the role. OHMSS is right up there with GOLDFINGER and YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE as my favourite Bonds.

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I've always fantasized as to how OHMSS would have been had Connery stayed on board... the only thing that would have somehow seemed out of place and just all wrong would have been his Bond marrying Tracy... I think it would have just seemed so out of character for HIS Bond...

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They needed him with Connery coming back for NSNA. They couldn't put a new Bond actor up against the greatest. And I actually liked Octopussy. I know people don't like it around here, but it is a fun Indiana Jones-esque action film.

Octopussy should have been his last though.
Octopussy is an underrated Bond Film for sure. The story was solid, Moore had some dramatic moments in there, and the title character is definitely Moore's best love interest.

The fact that Moore kicked Connery's ass at the BO (Though not by much) is something that makes me smile considering all the criticism Moore gets.

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Timothy Dalton wasn't well served by script.The Living Daylights was decent
first film but Licence to Kill did him no favors.Even he later said they shouldn't have dumped so much humor.

Octopussy Is underated bond film.I view the best Roger Moore Bond films as
1:For Your Eyes Only 2:The Spy Who Loved Me-By the way his personal
favorate of his films 3ctopussy

Piece Brosnon himself seems to agree with some critism saying back In 2012 he
can only remember Goldeneye.The rest are a blur.That says he basiclly saying even he thinks only Goldeneye was good out of his regin.And that has to do
with the writers and producers

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I don't see Brosnan putting up much resistance during the whacking of his testicles scene.

Agreed. He would've no sold that scene, lol.

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I think if Connery had been allowed to work a different script, the movie would've been better. Thunderball was already good, why remake it?

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Watching QoS again made me appreciate some of the quieter moments more. When Bond was about to kill himself and Camille to spare them from the fire
I think that QoS had some of the best moments from the 007 franchise, it really...humanized him, imo.

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Agreed. He would've no sold that scene, lol.
He probably would've made that pain face and noise he did in his Bond movies.

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Well that's what I said, didn't I? Give Brosnan the duds!

I don't see Brosnan working in CR. Dalton fits in with the style of it much better. I don't see Brosnan putting up much resistance during the whacking of his testicles scene.
Brosnan is not as awful as you think he is. I love Dalton as Bond, but he wasn't perfect, either. He really lacked the Charm, Charisma, and emotion the character needed, which is what a lot of scenes in Casino Royale had, though I do agree with the torture scene. I still say he scenes with Vesper would have been better with Brosnan than Dalton.

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I think that QoS had some of the best moments from the 007 franchise, it really...humanized him, imo.
Yeah, I think as far Bond himself goes it's one of the best performances in the franchise and they do some interesting stuff with the character. It just needed more refinement in other areas.

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Consider this:

Lazenby was asked to become a married man as Bond,
AND, he was also asked to portray the character Sir Hilary Bray which is entirely out of character with anything that any 007 actor has ever done. Considering these difficult tasks, Lazenby was surprisingly convincing.

Just imagine how Connery would have portrayed Bray. Yeah, pretty difficult isn't it?

And ... at least Lazenby gave a bit of credibility as Blofeld didn't recognize that Bray was his worst enemy, Secret Agent James Bond 007! If Connery had turned up Ernst Stavro should have instantly recognized him. I am surprised the writers didn't try to surgically alter Bond's appearance when they sent him to Blofeld's lair!

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He would've gone the Roger Moore route. Had he been able to make Goldeneye, that should've been his last film. He would've been 50 years old during filming.
He would have been 55 when TWINE came out, and 54 during the filming. Not fully the Moore route, as good old Rog continued after that age.

Have you seen Made Men (1999)? I remember being surprised that Dalton was still young looking and fit for 007, judging by how he appeared in the film.
In 2002 though, he was looking too old.

This is why I think Dalton could have played Bond up until 1999.

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He probably would've made that pain face and noise he did in his Bond movies.
And then he would've quickly relented and handed over the money, saying that he didn't have the balls for this kind of thing anymore (even though Bond was just starting out).

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I liked Brosnan in Goldeneye. It was the only one of his Bond films that had a decent script.
By far his best one, sort of got slowly worse and worse with each on after that.

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I'm not sure that TWINE was worse than DAD. Otherwise yes.

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DAD came after TWINE.

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