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View Poll Results: How do you feel about Harry, not Norman, being the one to kill Gwen? (multi-vote)
It's best to distance this Green Goblin story arc from Raimi's 6 12.24%
As long as everything else is the same it's okay 5 10.20%
It depends on the execution (no pun intended) 23 46.94%
Any change to Gwen's death scene is acceptable 1 2.04%
Norman must be the one to drop/kill Gwen 17 34.69%
No changes to Gwen's death scene are acceptable 5 10.20%
I'm unsure at the moment 7 14.29%
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Old 07-21-2013, 04:21 PM   #51
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I love this 'Vader' idea actually! I still want to believe that Norman will become GG, but I think Cooper's casting, and the reports from SDCC have some indications of what kind of Goblin we'll see, if any.

First up, we're not going to have Cooper as a visibly physically strong individual (think Willem Dafoe leaping offscreen after the first dose of the formula) - honestly, I think if that was what Webb had intended, he'd have cast someone 15 years younger.

Webb's a smart guy - he's not going to go down the route of Ultimate GG. A Hulking monster has already been done ala The Lizard in TASM1, so yet another big giant green monster would diffuse any notion of Spider-man's greatest foe having any meaningful impact to the audience. This is made more apparent by the fact that Webb's Lizard could talk.

The footage at the SDCC apparently showed a bedridden Normal Osborn, looking close to death. Webb wants you to THINK he's frail and fragile. Perhaps he wants us to assume it's Harry who is the GG. He'll keep the audience guessing - unlike Raimi's Goblin, we won't know his motivations from the outset, we won't know anything. I think it's all going to build up to 'Vader' moment, an epic unmasking intended to surprise the audience. Remember at the end of American Beauty, when Cooper was revealed to be the killer? Not only do I think this is what they're going to do here, I also think Webb may have chosen Cooper for this same Big Reveal based on his epic performance in American Beauty - he's essentially doing the same thing here.


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Old 07-30-2013, 03:13 AM   #52
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At this point, I'm thinking we are just led to believe Harry is the Green Goblin. I believe it will be a bait and switch that the movie pulls on us. First by making us think Norman is dying and by making Harry extremely mysterious and creepy. But it ends up being Norman who kills Gwen.

That's what I think so far anyway.

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Old 07-30-2013, 03:55 AM   #53
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Default Re: Rumor: Harry Osborn, instead of Norman, killing Gwen Stacy?

This poll is flawed.

We don't yet know for sure that Harry does it, or that it happens in ASM2.

If you HAD to do this poll, you should've at least featured options stating that Harry WOULDNT be the one to kill her.

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Old 07-30-2013, 03:57 AM   #54
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At this point, I'm thinking we are just led to believe Harry is the Green Goblin. I believe it will be a bait and switch that the movie pulls on us. First by making us think Norman is dying and by making Harry extremely mysterious and creepy. But it ends up being Norman who kills Gwen.

That's what I think so far anyway.
This.

And it seems that (based on the shot in the "trailer" of Harry screaming in pain) they are taking it as far as having Harry actually take the Goblin formula, like he did in TSSM.

So IMO, its HIGHLY likely that we will be getting a misdirection, revealed only in the mid/after credits scene and/or in ASM3.

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Old 07-30-2013, 08:22 AM   #55
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Yeah, like they could have him take the formula, but then pass out soon afterwards (with the audience not knowing). And then when the Goblin shows up, everyone thinks its Harry when it's actually Norman.

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Old 07-30-2013, 08:30 AM   #56
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If they do try and trick us, and save the big reveal that Norman IS the Goblin for the third film, I'm staying away from the boards. People are going to flip. "I knew they were changing the source material! Bring the rights back to Marvel!"

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Old 07-30-2013, 08:47 AM   #57
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I remember these boards when we got the first set image of Spider-Man. The one of him running through the streets? People ripped the movie to shreds.

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Old 07-30-2013, 09:04 AM   #58
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Man, despite its flaws, TASM has gotten too much hate. It really had an uphill battle.

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Personally, I don't think Cooper/Norman will be Goblin. The guy's like 62 years old - assuming there are 3/4 movies in this franchise, and more importantly, a movie yet to be made where Goblin is the MAIN villain, how long do you think it would take for Chris Cooper to appear on-screen battling Spidey?

We have to look at it practically - by the time Cooper is expected to become the GG, he'll be like 63 or 64 years old. Now, why would Marc Webb cast someone as old as Chris Cooper, if he meant them to later become the GG? It doesn't make sense when you think about it that way. All signs point to Dane becoming the Goblin - assuming of course there IS ever going to be a goblin in Webb's movie-verse.
Excellent point

Also the fact that Dane was supposedly body building and Foxx keeps praising him in every interview makes me feel he has a much bigger role

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Did anyone hear about Chris Cooper being wanted to play Norman in SM1?

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Concerning Cooper's age, that hardly matters when you have stunt doubles. Besides, older actors than him have had physical training regiments for movies. His acting chops are there. That's the main thing. He could deliver a terrifying Green Goblin.

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He'll be under a mask or become CGI anyway, so no worries for him there.

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Did anyone hear about Chris Cooper being wanted to play Norman in SM1?
Yeah, I saw that in an interview with Avi Arad from the most recent SDCC footage. He said they originally wanted Cooper to play Norman in SM1 but he had other commitments.

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It's tricky, as I'm a fan of Chris Cooper, he's a quality actor. But I do feel like he's maybe a bit too old to be Norman Osborn. When you consider Dane's age, and that Osborn is Harry's father, I picture someone more in the late 40s/early 50s age range. Cooper is in his 60s. Bearing that in mind, I could see why the filmmakers might few Harry as a more credible Green Goblin for the franchise. But as a comic fan, I personally find Norman Osborn to be as compelling a villain - if not MORE compelling - than his Green Goblin alter ego, so I'd rather see him in the role.

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Just because Norman will still become the Green Goblin, doesn't mean that Harry won't become A goblin prior.

Plus, following SDCC, this rumor looks true, Gwen death or not.

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I kind of like it more this way, because it makes more sense and it could be potentially more tragic. It all depends of the execution. After all, Harry and Peter are best friends, and Norman doesn't know how Peter is.

But I've said a thousand times here, for me GG didn't killed Gwen Stacy, Spider-Man did (*snap*), and that should ALWAYS happen.

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Agreed.

Plus, if Harry does become Goblin first, and tosses Gwen, you can bet her death will still lead back to Norman in some way.

I doubt Harry would go after him for any reason but something Norman told him, be it true or not.

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Old 10-24-2013, 03:02 AM   #68
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Keep in mind using the same exact story arc as Raimi's first Spider-man movie would re-ignite the "been there, done that" debate.
Except Raimi didn't use Gwen nor did he kill Mary Jane on that bridge scene...

Which would be the perfect differentiator between these two takes on Spider-man and would be a nice twist for people who are aware of the first movie but are not familiar with the actual canon.

Just as you think they're going with a "been there, done that" angle on Goblin, suddently the girlfriend does die at the end and things go horribly wrong for Peter.

Norman has to be the one to do it. As much as I think Harry as the second Goblin brings a different relationship between Spidey and him, Harry isn't the scheming and sadistic manipulator that his father was.

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Old 10-24-2013, 08:43 AM   #69
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Where has Picard gone? Hasn't been on in almost a month?

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I kind of like it more this way, because it makes more sense and it could be potentially more tragic. It all depends of the execution. After all, Harry and Peter are best friends, and Norman doesn't know how Peter is.

But I've said a thousand times here, for me GG didn't killed Gwen Stacy, Spider-Man did (*snap*), and that should ALWAYS happen.
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Agreed.

Plus, if Harry does become Goblin first, and tosses Gwen, you can bet her death will still lead back to Norman in some way.

I doubt Harry would go after him for any reason but something Norman told him, be it true or not.
All good points I agree with, guys.

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Old 10-24-2013, 11:56 AM   #71
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I'd want the Goblin to kill Gwen, then when Peter finds out it's Harry (so he thinks) he is furious with him only to later find out it was Norman all along. Dum Dum Dum Dum...

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I don't care as long as Norman is the Goblin in the end. They have the chance to deliver an EXCELLENT Green Goblin with Chris Cooper as Norman. So I'll be extremely disappointed if they don't make use of his talent. He's one of my favorite actors and to have him as Norman is a dream come true.

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