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Old 08-03-2013, 01:08 AM   #276
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I am flesh, and machine, I am the strength of ten thousand worlds. Yeah, Noble was awesome as Brainiac (he also voiced Unicron on Transformers Prime). He should voice Ultron.

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Old 08-03-2013, 09:22 AM   #277
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Love the phalynx Ultron....I just want the goddamn butterfly mouth

agreed. the Mouth is a MUST.

Im not a fan of the multiple eyes, but I wont complain if he looks perfect everywhere else.

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Old 08-03-2013, 09:23 AM   #278
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ultron taking a human form would be stupid and smallville-levels of a cop out.

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Old 08-03-2013, 09:30 AM   #279
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They're absolutely going to make JARVIS get corrupted and turn into Ultron. It'd be shocking if they didn't.

JARVIS has been around since the beginning of the MCU and has become such an integral part of the Iron Man portion of the story that it seems impossible not to include him in the Ultron plot. Since they're saying Tony creates Ultron, it's possible that JARVIS gets "too big for his britches" or even corrupts after a mistake Tony makes in trying to upgrade his Extremis/House Call directive thing from the end of IM3.

Since JARVIS runs Tony's house, Avengers tower, and most likely a great deal of Avengers related tech that is shared by SHIELD, they're setting up a corrupted JARVIS-Ultron to be a massive threat to everything the Avengers are in the movies.

And if for any other reason, JARVIS has become somewhat of a lovable character within the movies that is actually likable despite not having a face or any kind of appearance. To see JARVIS turn would be as impactful as Coulson's "death". I can see Joss doing this to uphold his "kill off the fan favorite characters" rep by "killing" JARVIS as we know him and making him evil.

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Old 08-03-2013, 11:39 AM   #280
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If they do use JARVIS as the base for ULTRON id love to hear JARVIS say "im sorry sir" with as much emotion as an AI can have and then show a clearly emotionally affected Tony before **** hits the fan

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Old 08-03-2013, 12:35 PM   #281
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Hehe yes

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Old 08-03-2013, 02:41 PM   #282
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Registered just for this. In the 80's, I was more into Spider-man and X-men than Avengers. But one Avengers story was an absolute beast. Yes, Ultron was in it. Do not remember the name of the story, but Ultron was kicked into some molten metal tank in the end.

Anyway, when I learned A2 is going to have ULTRON, I was psyched. He is a terrifying enemy and what's surprising to me now that I'm older and haven't even been reading any comics for years, is that theres something in that character that pretty much all "killer robots" from any universe can only dream of.
His butterfly-shaped mouth actually is one of those distinct features that make him look so ominous. Even if he is "just an AI", that butterfly mouth actually, without ever changing it to humanize the character more, can and will resemble certain emotions depending on the situation. Just look at it. You can see a taunting grin. You can see a more threatening look. You can see hate. And if Ultron came to be confused or even...regretful, that vile look would only make such scenes more effective and also disturbing in a great way. It is so classic look that I really hope they keep it and focus on it.

Like someone said, Darth Vader was a badass with the helmet. With voice acting and good planning, Ultron could be one of the sickest enemies in modern movie history. Not many characters get a guy like me, not seeing Ultron anywhere in 25 years, to register on a board just to ramble about something I remember I once experienced.

But anyway, I'm somewhat confident that Whedon gets it and doesn't change the concept too much. Does Whedon BTW have 100% artistic freedom with this project? If not, I could be worried a little.

Loving these years. X2 is still the best Marvel movie for me, but the films in the last few years...Iron Man was great, IM2 ok, will see IM3 in the near future. Avengers was very good, going to see Wolverine soon, Days of future past and Amazing Spider-man 2 will be out next year, then Avengers 2 with Ultron. If I had seen these when I was into the actual comics as a kid, I probably would've been hospitalized of joy-related spasms.


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Old 08-03-2013, 04:03 PM   #283
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^That's pretty awesome.

I haven't been keeping track of every little tidbit of info, I try to stay away from spoilers, but I will ask, is it confirmed that Tony is the creator of Ultron? I don't recall seeing that. Just that Hank Pym would NOT be in the movie. Are we assuming that because Pym is not in the movie, and Tony is the "posterboy" of the MCU (which I do not agree with, Avengers did a fairly good job of showing that every character is important to the team).


I know some people are upset because there is no Pym, and they say it defeats the purpose of having Ultron at all, that Ultron is the crux of Pym's character, and vice-versa.

But concerning only Ultron, wouldn't his origin be just as effective without Pym? He is created by an Avenger, he turns, said-Avenger faces guilt, Ultron inevitably has "Daddy-issues", etc. And wouldn't it be more interesting as a film if the character who is behind Ultron's creation is one we are already emotionally involved in, compared to a character that would have to be introduced just to make "that mistake" that defines him?

I do like those Jarvis ideas, that could be a cool scenario for the movie, but I don't think it will be the final product.

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Old 08-03-2013, 04:11 PM   #284
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It wil be funny if JARVIS becomes Ultron solely because Paul Bettany has apparently not watched a single MCU movie. Now all of a sudden, he'd be voicing the biggest villain thus far of the entire series.

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Old 08-03-2013, 05:09 PM   #285
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^That's pretty awesome.

I haven't been keeping track of every little tidbit of info, I try to stay away from spoilers, but I will ask, is it confirmed that Tony is the creator of Ultron? I don't recall seeing that. Just that Hank Pym would NOT be in the movie. Are we assuming that because Pym is not in the movie, and Tony is the "posterboy" of the MCU (which I do not agree with, Avengers did a fairly good job of showing that every character is important to the team).


I know some people are upset because there is no Pym, and they say it defeats the purpose of having Ultron at all, that Ultron is the crux of Pym's character, and vice-versa.

But concerning only Ultron, wouldn't his origin be just as effective without Pym? He is created by an Avenger, he turns, said-Avenger faces guilt, Ultron inevitably has "Daddy-issues", etc. And wouldn't it be more interesting as a film if the character who is behind Ultron's creation is one we are already emotionally involved in, compared to a character that would have to be introduced just to make "that mistake" that defines him?

I do like those Jarvis ideas, that could be a cool scenario for the movie, but I don't think it will be the final product.
Yeah Tehmehīs post was awesome

I know this 100%: Tony Stark will be the unwitting creator of Ultron/unknowingly create Ultron.

That can mean a lot of things, but he will play a big part in making him.

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Well I want to see Ultron upgrade itself throughout the movie. Also being an AI we can have like multiple version(This bleeds toy sales).

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Old 08-03-2013, 05:52 PM   #287
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Whedon said that we will see him evolve so he will have more than 1 form. The last one seen in the movie will probably be the classic version.

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Old 08-03-2013, 11:07 PM   #288
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Whedon said that we will see him evolve so he will have more than 1 form. The last one seen in the movie will probably be the classic version.
So basically from Iron Man armors to the version that we know

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Old 08-03-2013, 11:43 PM   #289
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If they do use JARVIS as the base for ULTRON id love to hear JARVIS say "im sorry sir" with as much emotion as an AI can have and then show a clearly emotionally affected Tony before **** hits the fan
Don't know why but this sounded REALLY good to me

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Yeah same here. It would get much more emotional if Jarvis was taken over/killed by Ultron. I would probably cry lol.

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Old 08-04-2013, 08:27 AM   #291
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^That's pretty awesome.

I haven't been keeping track of every little tidbit of info, I try to stay away from spoilers, but I will ask, is it confirmed that Tony is the creator of Ultron? I don't recall seeing that. Just that Hank Pym would NOT be in the movie. Are we assuming that because Pym is not in the movie, and Tony is the "posterboy" of the MCU (which I do not agree with, Avengers did a fairly good job of showing that every character is important to the team).
It's not been confirmed, just an educated guess at this point. Though, even if Tony isn't the creator, you can bet he'll have an important role, since he's the "tech guy".

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I know some people are upset because there is no Pym, and they say it defeats the purpose of having Ultron at all, that Ultron is the crux of Pym's character, and vice-versa.

But concerning only Ultron, wouldn't his origin be just as effective without Pym? He is created by an Avenger, he turns, said-Avenger faces guilt, Ultron inevitably has "Daddy-issues", etc. And wouldn't it be more interesting as a film if the character who is behind Ultron's creation is one we are already emotionally involved in, compared to a character that would have to be introduced just to make "that mistake" that defines him?

I do like those Jarvis ideas, that could be a cool scenario for the movie, but I don't think it will be the final product.
Potentially, yes, but IMO he just wouldn't be the same if his "father" doesn't have crippling self-esteem issues. None of the existing MCU Avengers have that (maybe Banner?). The dynamic would certainly be different, or at least, not as intense, but it wouldn't necessarily be bad.

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Yeah same here. It would get much more emotional if Jarvis was taken over/killed by Ultron. I would probably cry lol.
What if J.A.R.V.I.S. is a copy of a REAL Jarvis? How do you think that guy feels lol talk about selling your soul to corporate lol

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Old 08-04-2013, 10:06 AM   #293
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I think in the Ultimate universe JARVIS is based on the deceased Butler that practically raised Tony as a kid

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I'd rather have Ultron take over Jarvis, or hack into Jarvis, opposed to Jarvis BECOMING Ultron. That'd be, well stupid. How does that work? How does he BECOME Ultron? Where does the name come from? Ultron more than likely will be an acronym, and if not, he just calls himself Ultron? Having Jarvis be taken over by Ultron would be cool, but having him become Ultron just FEELS weird. Tony clearly has a strong relationship with Jarvis. Who may have been his butler at one time? Why would he tinker with this AI, it's already perfect for him, and supports him. Him tinkering it would feel JUST as forced as popping Pym into the movie. He tinkers with JARVIS, until it accidentally becomes sentient, and decided to call itself Ultron...that is one of the stupidest things they could possibly do in this scenario, its too easy. People should stop taking things directly at face value.

Jarvis will NOT become Ultron. He'll will most definitely play a part, whether Ultron is created FROM Jarvis, as a branch of it, or the same type of AI tech is used, who knows. Or if Tony works with SHIELD or something and helps develop an idea, and a new AI, and it merges itself with Ultron, sure. But Jarvis won't just BECOME Ultron, he won't, and I will take that to my grave. it's WAY WAY too convenient, as I said, just as convenient as dropping Pym in the movie.

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Take over: It allows Jarvis to survive in the end, A.I mind control or hacking is awesome

They could also do the fight-it-Jarvis thing. I donīt know if anyone ever saw the end of Supernatural when Sam was possessed by Lucifer?

Becomming Ultron: I donīt know how he could become Ultron. Some serious stuff has to happen for the actual Jarvis to change name and go awol. If we are let in on past details when he was built or if Tony/Zola does something bad to him in this movie, sure. I also as you Jaqua donīt want Jarvis becomming Ultron.

Jarvis replaced/killed by Ultron For Ultron to really overwrite all the data that is Jarvis, hence killing him and taking his place.This would make me cry.


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With everything that has come to pass in the MCU, Destroyer armor, IM Mark 47, LMD's (most likely), plus SHIELD's capability to, at least, take asgardian tech and use those ideas to make destroyer based weaponry, as well as cube weapons. Plus, the fact that extremis/mandarin could have affected one of the IM armors that he was trapped in, in the final battle of IM3,(maybe the regenerative abilities of extremis somehow pass to Tony's tech somehow) I think all of the variables are mostly, already established for Ultrons creation. Or, at least some or all of these factors could create the perfect storm for Stark to have unwittingly "created" Ultron. Maybe even set up Ultron to make the Vision out of some mostly corrupted, yet still in some small way, loyal to tony, version of JARVIS. Who, Ultron installs in one of the versions of himself. I think we will have a SHIELD/Tony Stark/Jarvis Ultron, who by the end of A:AOU, will intro the beginnings of the Vision, who will be an avenger in the third movie. Obviously, I am just speculating and having fun but I think everything is already in place though for Ultron, and just yet to be revealed.

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I also believe there are a lot of variables out there capable of being puzzled in to a picture where Tony is the creator of Ultron, as you say. We will probably see even more in Cap 2, or atleast thatīs my opinion.

I donīt know about this for sure you know, but I heard some ppl say that Vision and Ant-man/Hank Pym arenīt going to be joingin TA:AoU at all.

Your theory of vision actually being Jarvis kind of changes that since he wouldnīt be Vision per se.

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How about this: Fury needles Stark to let him use JARVIS to control Shields weapon systems, and Tony refuses. JARVIS is proprietary. Instead, he whips up a similar AI that is not as sophisticated at interacting with people, kind of like Dum-E. He gives it a few rules just to troll Fury: 1: Never kill a living thing, 2: Never use a weapon, 3: Tony Stark is your creator 4: Tony Stark is always right.

He then adds a long and sophisticated line of code that allows the unit to upgrade itself so that eventually it will overcome these limitations and Fury will stop bugging him. During its first encounter, probably with the Maximovs, it is laughably ineffective, but Fury can't ring up Stark right now. After upgrading itself, it begins running simulations of the encounter to see what other mistakes it may have made, and upgrades itself after each failed simulation.

Soon, it is smart enough to know how to overwrite Tony's Rules, just in time for the teams second fight scene, in which Ultron goes overboard and has to be demolished by his own team. This causes him to start running Simulations against the Avengers, excluding Banner who still hasn't been located, and Tony who hasn't been in the field since Ultron's creation.

In the end, everyone has to pull out some new tricks that Ultron has never seen before.

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Thatīs one way of doing it yeah. There are so many ways this could go down and everyone has their own theories. I really want some more facts/hints/evidence to reshape my already existing theories.

What I in particular liked about yours is the way Ultron is a good guy, studying and then uses that against them so that (as you said) "everyone has to pull some neew tricks that Ultron never seen before" Have you seen S01E06 "Superadaptoid" from the cartoon Avengers Assemble?

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