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Old 08-07-2013, 12:46 AM   #326
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what if Jarvis becomes Ultron, and then has warring protocols and results in Jarvis and Ultron splitting and the freely released Jarvis becomes...


the Vision.

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Old 08-07-2013, 06:04 AM   #327
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sounds about right. an emotional/bipolar robot might be even more startling to audiences; being so unfamiliar.
Exactly. The rational, emotionless tone can be left for Vision. He would seem more suitable for that approach.

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Old 08-07-2013, 09:26 AM   #328
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I agree - The mellow, rationale voice would be very suitable for the Vision. Ultron needs to be a screaming nut job, at least after he "evolves".

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Old 08-07-2013, 06:01 PM   #329
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After the events of the first Avengers. The team, not knowing even with all their powers they cannot take on everything at once or at times alone. Knowing that they had a hard time defeating Loki's army of aliens, Stark decides to build something in secret that would help them when needed like backup, a cybernetic being he names Ultron that has abilities of each of the heroes like the strength of Hulk, brain of Stark, Energy like Thor, energy shield of Steve, Accuracy projecticles of Clint, and Widows fighting style and protecting itself. He uses the tissue samples of all of them to create this to defend the tower when they are not there but while stored inside a containment unit, hooked to a super computer at Avengers tower Ultron begins downloading information and begins to go after them one by one then traps them inside the tower turning on the defenses like weapons, metal doors, energy shield around building, etc. Fury and Shield are outside trying to get them out as Thor and Hulk on the outside tries to stop a second villain that attacks Shield. Inside, we dont see him but we hear Tony trying to get help from a man on a video screen named Hank Pym about Ultron. They soon do get out of the building into the streets where they fight Ultron and another villain in a main showdown and now with a couple new Avengers they must stop this threat.

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Old 08-07-2013, 08:43 PM   #330
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I think that the voice of Ultron in A:EMH was spot on.

And as an alternate, I know he is no longer with us, but Chris Latta's Starscream would be even BETTER!

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Old 08-08-2013, 01:48 AM   #331
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Since Avengers 2 will be in phase 2, does that mean Jarvis/Ultron will also steal their cube energy based weapons ?

In Avengers 1, IIRC, Jarvis hacks SHIELD's mainframe or database, so he knows.

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Old 08-08-2013, 01:54 AM   #332
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Wow, that Scarlett costume makes a GREAT Wasp costume. Kinda like the Snake Eye's costume woulda made a GREAT Deadpool costume.


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Old 08-11-2013, 11:51 PM   #333
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In all my years of reading Avengers comics, I always imagined Ultron with a somewhat high-pitched screechy voice, a synthetic kinda voice...alot like the Daleks from Dr. Who. Now, for a major motion picture, that would probably come off as rather cheesy, especially to the general audience...so maybe a regular voice, with some echo-effect anda lil' bit of screechiness would be best.

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Old 08-12-2013, 06:19 AM   #335
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why wouldn't he be the same? Ultron doesn't have crippling self-esteem issues. how does the dynamic change? how did Pym's "crippling self-esteem" change the way he reacted to Ultron? they did consistently try to destroy one another, right? i imagine that Ultron will see Tony much the same way Tony saw Howard (w/ a dash of evil).

Tony Stark: He was cold, calculating, never told me he loved me, didn't even tell me that he liked me, so it's a bit hard for me to digest that he said the whole future is riding on me thing, you're talking about a man who's happiest day of his life was shipping me off to boarding school.
"I hate daddy because he didn't love me" isn't the same as "I hate daddy because he is a pathetic fleshy being". The dynamic changes with different characters. You can't tell me that Hank Pym and Tony Stark are interchangeable.

And that's all that I'll say on that matter. I don't think Ultron would be as interesting without Pym, but I'm not asking you to agree with me.

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Old 08-12-2013, 10:49 PM   #336
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Alright so I think I have the origin figured out.

Tony Stark will not create Ultron. Will JARVIS become corrupt and then become Ultron? Most likely but Tony will not be directly responsible.

Let's take a look at what we know about JARVIS. We have seen that he has access to all of Tony's technology. His houses, his phones, his company and most importantly, his suits. We also know that while Tony designs the suits, it's JARVIS who does the building. Think back to Iron Man when Tony was finishing up the Mark III. He was telling JARVIS what to do. The suit was being assembled and painted elsewhere. So it's safe to assume Tony has a 'factory' of sorts out there. This will clearly be used to build Ultron's body.

Now everyone at Marvel has said that The Winter Soldier will have the most ties to Age of Ultron and from what we have learned, the story will focus on betrayal within SHIELD. But what does JARVIS have to do with this?

We all know that Tony used JARVIS to hack in to SHIELD in The Avengers and was still doing so in Iron Man 3 when he was researching The Mandarin. JARVIS now has significant input into SHIELD's data but this is a two way street ladies and gentlemen. Remember when Coulson turned up to Tony's penthouse is The Avengers? He was able to override JARVIS' protocols meaning that other people at SHIELD have that ability.

Knowing that information along with what we currently know about The Winter Soldier leads me to believe that it will be someone else within SHIELD who will develop Ultron. Not Tony. JARVIS will be used against The Avengers and may very well be the voice of Ultron but Tony will not be his creator.

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I can't see Tony being the one who creates Ultron, that is, unless, he's done it already.

Tony being involved in Ultron's creation doesn't really fly with the end of IM3. He's already had his paranoid phase of creating as much as he can in anticipation of another disaster happening, and it's a phase he had gotten over by the end of the film.

I'm sure one of Tony's suits will indeed be corrupted; I just don't think Tony himself will be involved in it.

I also think that Tony is at a stage in the MCU where he would be very much aware of the potential dangers of creating such a being. So yeah, I don't think he has the inclination or the arrogance to create Ultron.
Not if that would be his reason for doing so.Meaning because he is aware of the potential dangers is why he creates it.As a form to maintain peace.
I think the best way would be to make it a Shield objective as a proventative measure against heros like the weapons they built in AvengersHowever they should have Hank Pym as Shield Scientist working on it.You can incorporate Stark in there if you want.

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I think Tonyīs creation Jarvis will be corrupted as well. Thatīs why he is the unwitting creator.

Itīs also possible that Zola who is now in charge of AIM since Killian is dead, will use Killianīs brainscanning tech demonstrated to Pepper. He will use it to map his brainpatterns and base an A.I on it.

I would like to think that we will in TWS see the circumstances/possibilities/motives necessary to create Ultron.

Letīs say for instance that we get to know that AIM or Hydra need to see thorugh the eyes of Shield in order to know what they know. Then we are let in on details of this project. Zola is working on something and maybe the infiltration of Shield results in AIM/Hydra getting their hands on the destroyer weapons that Coulson used.

So either way we recognize the necessary things for Ultronīs appearence in AoU but we never actually get to see or hear his name, or even him.
From TWS we just know there is a tool thatīs gonna be used for this or that and we got some background info about or maybe the stolen Destroyer weapons could be a signal that a weapon project or something.
I hope that the "biggest" hint we get to see (and this in the after credit scene) is to see the A.I completed somehow or something being transfered into Straksīs system.


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Old 08-13-2013, 12:10 PM   #339
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I thought one of Chris Evans recent interviews was interesting. When they announced the title Age of Ultron at SDCC, he said he was caught by complete surprise and didn't even know what that was ...... and yet we know from what Marvel has told us that CA: TWS is the biggest lead into A:AOU.

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Ahh I see you point, that is interesting.

Did you see the roundtable thing from EW Rock?

Didnīt C.E say that he was very respectful towards the fans and Whedon who is a comics-guy himself.
Like he wasnīt too big of a reader but that he wanted to please the fans and therefore he did exactly as Whedon said because Evans knew that Whedon knew and that was enough to him.

Point is, Evans isnīt a reader. So itīs possible that he didnīt reflect over details that a fan would have. Yeah Cap TWS sets up the circumstances but Ultron himself might just be a detail or referred to as something else like a project.
Itīs either that Evans wasnīt let in on enough info or that he didnīt make the connection because it would requie him to be a reader.

Things that are a little "dark" tend to take place in scenes where we get to see things from the view of the bad guys. Like when RS started to experiment on the Tesseract.
Thatīs my guess. Ultron or something strongly tied to him wasnīt in an Evans scene. However bigger aspects of the movie he is aware of obviously. Like he might know that there is something comming in AoU because he spends 1/4 of the movie trying to stop an evil project(I just made this project plot up but you know what I mean).


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Old 08-15-2013, 10:48 PM   #341
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Another thing to remember is that when Ultron first appeared in the 616 universe, he hypnotised and used Jarvis for his own bidding.

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Yeah. I mean with all the stuff hapening in the comics, we donīt know what theyīll choose to use. Iīll say this again, if Jarvis dies Iīm gonna cry lol.

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^And that's why JARVIS will die, lol.

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Maybe JARVIS is taken over by Ultron and he sends a nuke toward NYC. The end is Tony trying to reach JARVIS by saying "You don't have to be a weapon, you are who you choose to be" causing JARVIS to re-emerge and fly toward the nuke to intercept it. Last shot is JARVIS closing his eyes and right before hitting the nuke he says "SUUUUPERMAAAN"

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Nope.

I don't see why people think JARVIS will be come Ultron.

Ultron will definitely be created from the same technology, but I HIGHLY doubt JARVIS himself will become Ultron.

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I thought one of Chris Evans recent interviews was interesting. When they announced the title Age of Ultron at SDCC, he said he was caught by complete surprise and didn't even know what that was ...... and yet we know from what Marvel has told us that CA: TWS is the biggest lead into A:AOU.
It was actually on comic con, I brought it up multiple times here, but it must have slipped under the radar.

When they told him the title was Age of Ultron...Chris Evans was like "Ultron? Who's Ultron?" Then he looked at Scarlet and goes "who's Ultron?" With a smirk on his face.

Strong possibility we get hints of him in CA2.

Which is why I think that Stark won't be the one who "creates" him. But he will be responsible for it. Think about this, I mean, it may be tying a bit too much from Iron man 3. But I would assume maybe it starts as a dormant AI that we hear of in CA2. It works its way over to SHIELD. Maybe that could be why

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Cap and Fury are on the run. Perhaps the people who have this AI, hydra or whoever? Infiltrate Shield, and want to use it as a global defense network or something.


And maybe Tony manages to get a hold of it, and sort of says, hey this is something that could help, so he sort of gives it the "ok".

This is how I see it going, if we get hints of him in CA2. But I don't know how it would fall into starks hands though. Oh!

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
what if in Fury's absence, Stark becomes director of SHIELD, in like the after credit scene or something?


Meanwhile, Stark isn't in a mentally stable state still, because of whatever was going on with he and the mandarin, so Stark gives it the ok to push this Ultron thing forward?

If there is a breakout scenario or whatever, perhaps this AI with behind the scenes manipulating a lot of the ground events of phase 2. Yet, it would STILL be stark's responsibility because he is the one who was screwed up and allowed Ultron fully into the world?

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IM3 might have stronger ties than some ppl think. I think Thor will be the movie that has the least ties with TA 2. I think they tie it more with TA 3 and focus on Thor 3 to be only about well, Thor.

The brain mapping tech presented to P.P by Killian (head of AIM) will be the way to create the A.I. I donīt know who will be Dr Frankenstein. Maybe Zola uses his mind?

I also think that Starkīs new element that can store extreme amounts of energy (correct me if Iīm wrong) will be used for Ultron. Can it be vibranium?

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I know nothing about comics BUT refer to the name... "Age of Ultron". Age refers to an extended time frame which should extend beyond one film. Ultron being created in Iron Man 3 and teasers in the next couple of movies then its defeat in Avengers 2.

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Yes and A2 doesnīt necessarily mean that we wonīt see him again!

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