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Old 07-21-2013, 06:02 PM   #251
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Why is everyone assuming Tony will build Ultron??? You guys know that Banner is a scientist as well and he has a genius level intellect???

What about shield??? Don't you think they might be responsible for Ultron's creation as well???

Jesus Christ this is The Mandarin fiasco all over again
The fan rage might be similar to The Mandarin fiasco but it is different in that we have yet to hear anything from AoU. The article from cbm only said that Pym won't be featured, thats all! for all we know he may be a behind the scenes character and most importantly Ultron is a creation of the Avengers team and built to defeat them. Didnt a bunch of rumors emerge about a possible Pym post credits in the one of the phase 2 movies? Also didn't anyone notice the news of how Whedon says Ant Man Nov 2015 fits perfectly after AoU?


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well and with the AIM agent (movie) figure revealed in the hasbro panel... AIM may indeed be showing up in Cap 2, which "could" possibly cameo pym/ultron's beginings. it's quite possible. Thus, he doesn't necissarily need to show up in Avengers 2 for them to do ultron.

lots of speculation at this point

and SOME of you need a complete attitude adjustment
yes, no need to jump to conclusions yet... and regarding Winter Soldier bridging AoU, it makes sense if something might happen in the movie to lead SHIELD to contact Pym to make a fail safe program against the avengers, which is where Ultron comes in. Maybe the origins of Ultron won't be explained in AoU and most of the movie might be spend with the Avengers waking up and fighting Ultron.

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i disagree, i think it will be Pym.

Whedon originally had wasp in the Avengers script. They seriously going to then go rob Wasp of her story lines too in order to set her up with Scott Lang? or just completely not use her now?

Whedon is a big wasp fan... if she's included and not old, you can bet Hank will be treated the same.
I don't think Whedon will deviate this much from the source material. I mean look at his work, he is essentially a fanboy, especially when he talked about doing a wasp script.

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While I'm kind of upset about the possible change in Ultron's creation, I also have to ask - in the comics, was it known right from the start that Hank Pym created Ultron, or was it something the readers found out later?

I could very well see that the Ultron AI was something Pym initially created, but Stark tinkers around with in A:AoU and unwittingly goes all Skynet on the Avengers. It may lead directly into Wright's Ant-Man that way.

It does suck though, because I love Hank Pym, that he won't be in this movie. But I really want to see how Joss and Co. play it out for the Marvel moviegoing audience. I'm definitely not writing off this film, by any means, simply because they're tinkering around with the origins of Ultron. They may find ways to tell Ultron's story even better than the comics...
pretty much sums up my thoughts about Stark tinkering with Pym's tech and making ultron or vice versa. If Whedon does make Stark the creator of Ultron even after AoU and Antman comes out, then i can acknowledge the criticisms/complains fans make, in fact i would also be unhappy with the decision.


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I don't see what peoples' problems are with changing things. Do you want to know all the developments before they happen or something? We get a new story that maintains the essence of the characters. If you want the stories where Pym created Ultron then go back and read them. We get new, interesting developments this way. Developments that could strengthen Ultron as a character and concept and streamline his origin as well. Same with the twins. All their origins are extremely convoluted in the comics and honestly they must be changed out of necessity to work in a movie effectively.

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I don't see what peoples' problems are with changing things. Do you want to know all the developments before they happen or something? We get a new story that maintains the essence of the characters. If you want the stories where Pym created Ultron then go back and read them. We get new, interesting developments this way. Developments that could strengthen Ultron as a character and concept and streamline his origin as well. Same with the twins. All their origins are extremely convoluted in the comics and honestly they must be changed out of necessity to work in a movie effectively.
They can't even be called "mutants".

It's all about execution anyway. No matter what decisions are made, if the execution is great I'm sure most of the fans will be able to roll with them.

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A couple of thoughts on this.

For one, I think it's a good idea to save Thanos for Avengers 3. Too many movies blow their wad early on and can't top it. Thanos being the big bad of the trilogy is perfect. I am however concerned that Whedon won't do a third movie, based purely on what he has said so far. He almost didn't come back for the second one, and has repeatedly said that he likes making his own characters and not writing someone else's. Idk, I guess it will depend on how he second unfolds.

I am really excited about an evil AI robot as the bad guy. His comments that this will be a little darker, and more science fiction, make this sound great, maybe even terminator-esque. I have never read any Ultron so I don't know anything about the character, but I wonder if he will write him similar to how he wrote the Danger Room in Astonishing X-men. If so that would be sweet.

I'm excited, Pym or not. This movie will be awesome.

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Funny interview.

"What's Ultron?" "Who's Ultron?"

http://www.mtv.com/videos/interview/...is-evans.jhtml

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Are you the Spidey who flipped over Mandarin? You and the whole family and all. If so then yeah, I could see you and Sam agreeing and reacting this way.mi hope you're both very happy together.

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If they establish that Ultron was a creation of Pym's that was commissioned by SHIELD, and
that was put on ice, but have Stark relaunch it for SHIELD without knowing WHY it was originally scrubbed, I'd be okay with it.

You can establish a bit of Pym's origins and have him tied to Ultron, without him needed physically present.
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i could easily live with that
Glad someone agrees.

I don't care that Pym won't be in it, but he needs to have ties to Ultron, no matter what IMO.

Even if he isn't the person who gets Ultron up and running, he needs to have created the initial version of him prior to him going rogue.

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Are you the Spidey who flipped over Mandarin? You and the whole family and all. If so then yeah, I could see you and Sam agreeing and reacting this way.mi hope you're both very happy together.
I... I may be that same Spidey. I don't remember.

That whole ordeal was a haze.

I'm come to terms with Mandarin now.

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A couple of thoughts on this.

For one, I think it's a good idea to save Thanos for Avengers 3. Too many movies blow their wad early on and can't top it. Thanos being the big bad of the trilogy is perfect. I am however concerned that Whedon won't do a third movie, based purely on what he has said so far. He almost didn't come back for the second one, and has repeatedly said that he likes making his own characters and not writing someone else's. Idk, I guess it will depend on how he second unfolds.

I am really excited about an evil AI robot as the bad guy. His comments that this will be a little darker, and more science fiction, make this sound great, maybe even terminator-esque. I have never read any Ultron so I don't know anything about the character, but I wonder if he will write him similar to how he wrote the Danger Room in Astonishing X-men. If so that would be sweet.

I'm excited, Pym or not. This movie will be awesome.
That would be awesome.

But only if Wolverine cameos as a 6 year old girl.

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Pretty stoked to hear that Hawkeye will have a bigger, better role in this one. Seems like Joss wants to give him the right treatment in this.

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Glad someone agrees.

I don't care that Pym won't be in it, but he needs to have ties to Ultron, no matter what IMO.

Even if he isn't the person who gets Ultron up and running, he needs to have created the initial version of him prior to him going rogue.
While it's not a make or break point for me, I agree with this. They should have Pym involved with the Ultron origin somehow.

But I still just want to see the movie first before passing judgment on it.

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Are you the Spidey who flipped over Mandarin? You and the whole family and all. If so then yeah, I could see you and Sam agreeing and reacting this way.mi hope you're both very happy together.
No, it's not the one we were referring to.

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Hey guys remember in the comics when Loki led an army of Chitauri against The Avengers? No?

Well how about that issue where Loki worked for Thanos? No?

Well surely you remember in the comics where it was Black Widow who brings Hulk to The Avengers right? No?

So wait...are you saying that some things are DIFFERENT between the comics and the films?

Mind blowing!

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This is going to be the norm for Marvel Phase 2 isn't it?

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I've got to say the 'Age of Ultron' title takes a shine off the idea of an Avengers sequel for me. Having read that story I have no love for that waste of paper. Hopefully the sequel doesn't lift anything more than the villain and the title. Otherwise we could be in for a major letdown.

Also I too am feeling underwhelmed at Hank Pym being cut out entirely only to have Tony Stark swapped in like they are interchangeable. Maybe Joss can turn out a movie that works incredibly well, but I can't deny that a lot of my enthusiasm for the sequel has went down the drain.

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Spidey I apologize if you weren't the Spidey we were talking about haha

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Not to put Pym down, but honestly, any actual Ant-Man fans should feel blessed that a filmmaker as talented as Wright so passionately wants to make it.
... should Catwoman fans feel blessed that they made the halle berry movie?


i get it that wright is a talented film maker... but at least let people feel like they're watching the character they love/are familiar with be on the screen

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Oh nobody said it was ruined? Maybe go back through the thread and read Cherokee's reaction. You must have missed that.
yes, because 1 person is melodramatic that suddenly slumps everyone who wants pym in the film to be in the same boat

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I've got to say the 'Age of Ultron' title takes a shine off the idea of an Avengers sequel for me. Having read that story I have no love for that waste of paper. Hopefully the sequel doesn't lift anything more than the villain and the title. Otherwise we could be in for a major letdown.

Also I too am feeling underwhelmed at Hank Pym being cut out entirely only to have Tony Stark swapped in like they are interchangeable. Maybe Joss can turn out a movie that works incredibly well, but I can't deny that a lot of my enthusiasm for the sequel has went down the drain.
If you'd read any updates or the news and interviews, you'd know it's been confirmed they're just borrowing the comic arcs name. It's gonna be its own original story. But of course everyone judges and jumps to conclusions without reading up or knowing anything.

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I remember somebody pitching that Ultron is powered by the Power Gem, hence his red glow. This would also tempt Thanos to come take a look. That'd be interesting.
I agree, i hope they sprinkle in the infinity gems over these movies. Loki's mind gem, the power gem in ultron, and then the rest of the gems (or there history) being in Guardians of the Galaxy

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yes, because 1 person is melodramatic that suddenly slumps everyone who wants pym in the film to be in the same boat
I never said everyone now did I? I only referred him to read Sam's post/reaction.

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People are seriously losing faith in Whedon??

The man who gave you this:

http://youtu.be/pIS-1QQgwOk

And this:

http://youtu.be/amVfFRNmDE4

Come on guys, it's not like we are not getting an EPIC finale with Thanos in The Avengers 3


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Glad someone agrees.

I don't care that Pym won't be in it, but he needs to have ties to Ultron, no matter what IMO.

Even if he isn't the person who gets Ultron up and running, he needs to have created the initial version of him prior to him going rogue.
yup same feeling here, especially with the vibe I am getting with Winter Soldier and it seems Cap is cutting his ties with SHIELD, I am thinking Ultron's origins will be only hinted at and not explained until maybe AntMan. clearly people are jumping the gun on Pym not being involved with Ultron and Stark making it.

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The man who gave you this:

http://youtu.be/pIS-1QQgwOk

And this:

http://youtu.be/amVfFRNmDE4

Come on guys, it's not like we are not getting an EPIC finale with Thanos in The Avengers 3
A simple Pym not being "in the mix" in the AoU leading to some loosing faith over Whedon....C'mon


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No problem just figured I'd point out Sam's complete over dramatic crying.
lol people aren't allowed to have opinions that differ from the majority, that's right, that's what we learned from Ironman 3. It is what it is, but he can complain all he wants, and his opinion isn't any less valid than yours, and that's a fact.

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... should Catwoman fans feel blessed that they made the halle berry movie?


i get it that wright is a talented film maker... but at least let people feel like they're watching the character they love/are familiar with be on the screen
That wasn't Catwoman anyway. She didn't have the same identity, abilities or personality as Catwoman from the comics. Plus the movie wasn't good.

This character will most likely have the same identity, abilities and personality as one of the Ant-Men.

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