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is it so relevant who creates an ai robot goin on a rampage? it wont change ultron as a character.
Yes, it is relevant. The fact that it was Pym who created Ultron is actually important to Ultron's character (and of course Pym's).

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Thinking about it... Joss' comments on how the current team affect Ultron and how it changes makes me think that Hank could have created Ultron and that it has been a thing for a while now, he's just not in the movie. Then the team manage to do something to it (perhaps something to do with Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver? Joss said they'd be causing trouble) that makes it go rogue...
No. Joss specifically said Ultron is created out of the current Avengers. Just accept it.

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Yes, it is relevant. The fact that it was Pym who created Ultron is actually important to Ultron's character (and of course Pym's).
No, it's not. It's relevant to PYM's character, not Ultron's. Ultron's only prerequisite is a scientist (or maybe even group of people) creating him in an attempt to better the world, and they **** up. That doesn't HAVE to be Pym, it can be anyone who fits that description.

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is it so relevant who creates an ai robot goin on a rampage? it wont change ultron as a character.
The change does kind of matter because Ultron was created from Pym's brain patterns and Pym was mentally unstable at the time so Ultron is kind of crazy.

Also Ultron has father/son issues and Oedipus complex with his creator Pym.

Ultron causes alot of chaos sometimes just to mess with Pym.

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Pym is known for a handful of things. Ultron.....smacking the **** out of Janet...Pym particles...and being kind of a butt monkey as of late in the Marvel Universe. It's bad when even Bruce Banner is cracking on you. Even the most hardcore Marvel zombie couldn't recall a lot more about him.

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Well your money not going towards origins is completely understandable. But by your logic it doesn't make sense why you didn't go see first class. An Xmen film that DIDN'T revolve around Wolverine. Seems to me from what you tell me tht would have been a movie you'd been wanting to see haha. You're just confusing man.
Or you could just ask. I didnt see Origins in theaters because X3 sucked. I didn't see First Class in theaters because Origins sucked. First Class was okay but the continuity is so FUBAR that I won't be paying to see Wolverine. Still pretty confusing but that's just how it works.

If Wolverine is great (when I torrent it next year) then I'll consider paying for DoFP.

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So basically the ONLY reason people care about Hank Pym is ULTRON?? It isn't like he was going to be the villian is the Ant-Man movie.

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Lets be honest...everyone's origin in Avengers/MCU was changed
Not to a large extant. Take Iron Man: Stark is still captured and forced to build weapons but instead, with the help of another scientist who ends up sacrificing himself during the escape, he builds an Iron Man suit.

Captain America is still largely the same. Heck, he even gets frozen in ice! And we never really see a fully canonical Hulk's origin. The only one that does have some major changes is Thor's. But I was fine with it for the simple fact that Donald Blake sucks.

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No. Joss specifically said Ultron is created out of the current Avengers. Just accept it.
Oh, ok, misinterpreted what he said then.

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No, it's not. It's relevant to PYM's character, not Ultron's. Ultron's only prerequisite is a scientist (or maybe even group of people) creating him in an attempt to better the world, and they **** up. That doesn't HAVE to be Pym, it can be anyone who fits that description.
not really. Pyms personality plays a hug part in why Ultron is how he is. And there is also the unhealthy relationship to Jen. If you change that, if you transfer the son-who-wants-to-kill-his-father-and-marry-his-mother dynamic to others it becomes a lot less effective

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Looking back at IM3 they already set up a route to introduce Ultron. Tony basically did it when he created armors that could be controlled by Jarvis and the AI ****ed up. He might take it to the next level in A2 and have Jarvis controlling armors and such to help out...and the AI ****s up just like in IM3.
id agree with this, but it's not very logical for Tony to design a new Ai and created an army of robots after he just blew up his army of armors... it's a bit repetitive and goes against what he just set out to stop doing

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No. Joss specifically said Ultron is created out of the current Avengers. Just accept it.
Where? Got a link to the interview?

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No, it's not. It's relevant to PYM's character, not Ultron's. Ultron's only prerequisite is a scientist (or maybe even group of people) creating him in an attempt to better the world, and they **** up. That doesn't HAVE to be Pym, it can be anyone who fits that description.
There is also the whole Oedipus complex that Ultron has going on. That is very relevant to the character.

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Not to a large extant. Take Iron Man: Stark is still captured and forced to build weapons but instead, with the help of another scientist who ends up sacrificing himself during the escape, he builds an Iron Man suit.

Captain America is still largely the same. Heck, he even gets frozen in ice! And we never really see a fully canonical Hulk's origin. The only one that does have some major changes is Thor's. But I was fine with it for the simple fact that Donald Blake sucks.
Just modernized. In some cases redone when they are really bad (i.e. Donald Blake, Whiplash) But Ultron wasn't bad at all. In fact, one of the best.

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Not to a large extant. Take Iron Man: Stark is still captured and forced to build weapons but instead, with the help of another scientist who ends up sacrificing himself during the escape, he builds an Iron Man suit.

Captain America is still largely the same. Heck, he even gets frozen in ice! And we never really see a fully canonical Hulk's origin. The only one that does have some major changes is Thor's. But I was fine with it for the simple fact that Donald Blake sucks.
while the broad strokes are there its the details they get changed.
Cap was never a USO spokesperson and was given a cover identity in the Army and called to fight the Nazi's in America...before going to war. Red Skull was never a failed Nazi Super soldier scarred from the attempt.

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id agree with this, but it's not very logical for Tony to design a new Ai and created an army of robots after he just blew up his army of armors... it's a bit repetitive and goes against what he just set out to stop doing
Not if they're for helping people, like the Ultron bots in EMH.

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not really. Pyms personality plays a hug part in why Ultron is how he is. And there is also the unhealthy relationship to Jen. If you change that, if you transfer the son-who-wants-to-kill-his-father-and-marry-his-mother dynamic to others it becomes a lot less effective
None of that is necessary. And if they wanted to they could just have Tony and Pepper take that role. But like I said, none of it is necessary anyway. They can portray Ultron's need of human emotions in other ways that are just as disturbing.

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There is also the whole Oedipus complex that Ultron has going on. That is very relevant to the character.
Like I said above, that is not necessary and can be transplanted onto Tony or just replaced with another trait just as disturbing to represent Ultron's need of emotions.

Seriously, all these complaints are just "not muh comics" worries.

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We basically know Pym isn´t going to be the creator of Ultron.
This sucks since Pym is supposed to responsible, and the one to hate.

I agree, Stark shouldn´t be the guy to hate.

But what if we´ll not see Stark as the bad guy. Even if he made the AI and it became evil, does the hate have to fall upon him?
What if some other villain was directly responsible for the AI going crazy? Wouldn´t that take the blame of Tony?
there's really nothing confirmed yet... be patient

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About the army of robots thingy. There won´t be any armies.
We saw armies in the first movie. I think it´s more likely that we get some Ultron
underlings and a super enhanced robot that is Ultron. As mentioned before,
he is probably going for vib/ada to make him indestructible.

Yes that is true. Nothing is confirmed yet spideyboy

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Pym is known for a handful of things. Ultron.....smacking the **** out of Janet...Pym particles...and being kind of a butt monkey as of late in the Marvel Universe. It's bad when even Bruce Banner is cracking on you. Even the most hardcore Marvel zombie couldn't recall a lot more about him.
and scott lang has even less going on than Hank... in his repertoire

so how they plan on continuing AntMan into a franchise or in the Avengers is beyond me

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, all these complaints are just "not muh comics" worries.
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and scott lang has even less going on than Hank... in his repertoire

so how they plan on continuing AntMan into a franchise or in the Avengers is beyond me
With creativity and originality, probably.

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not really. Pyms personality plays a hug part in why Ultron is how he is. And there is also the unhealthy relationship to Jen. If you change that, if you transfer the son-who-wants-to-kill-his-father-and-marry-his-mother dynamic to others it becomes a lot less effective
Except that's apparently NOT the story line they're going with. I mean it's pretty obvious the manifestation of Ultron is born out of the government's desire to have a fail-safe against the Avengers and to be able to handle situations on their own ..... albeit the government clearly becomes corrupted as we find out in C:TWS (as well as some of it in IM3). Ultron becomes a problem in lieu of it.

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Not if they're for helping people, like the Ultron bots in EMH.


None of that is necessary. And if they wanted to they could just have Tony and Pepper take that role. But like I said, none of it is necessary anyway. They can portray Ultron's need of human emotions in other ways that are just as disturbing.


It's on CBM.


Like I said above, that is not necessary and can be transplanted onto Tony or just replaced with another trait just as disturbing to represent Ultron's need of emotions.

Seriously, all these complaints are just "not muh comics" worries.
ehhhhh

Iron Man's armors ARE to help people. why would he obsessively build another army? it's illogical.

I think (and have always hoped) tony would play a huge part in ultron's creation, but Pym's gotta have some part of it. Otherwise there's honestly not much to tell about Ant-Man... it becomes a film that's really just about a guy who shrinks and grows.

as people have said above... Hank isn't known for that much aside from slapping Jan, creating pym particles, and Ultron. Scott Lang and Eric O'grady are known for even far less than that. There's not a whole lot of story to continue any of those characters with imo

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It's on CBM.
CBM is the sweaty armpit of the internet. just because they post it doesn't mean it's 100% fact at all. Often enough things are taken out of context, and even then, just because things are answered in one way doesn't mean they're meaning it that way nor even telling the truth. Just wait and be patient

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The change does kind of matter because Ultron was created from Pym's brain patterns and Pym was mentally unstable at the time so Ultron is kind of crazy.

Also Ultron has father/son issues and Oedipus complex with his creator Pym.

Ultron causes alot of chaos sometimes just to mess with Pym.
well those issues can be added in a different way and we'd have ultron how he is potraied in the comics as well

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About the army of robots thingy. There won´t be any armies.
We saw armies in the first movie. I think it´s more likely that we get some Ultron
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he is probably going for vib/ada to make him indestructible.

Yes that is true. Nothing is confirmed yet spideyboy
oh im sure their will be an ultron army.. this large avengers roster is just what... all going to take on Ultron at the same time? they've gotta have drones to fight. and Ultron is known for them

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