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View Poll Results: Could a new Batman possibly beat "The Man of Steel" in a fight? | |||
Yes, Batman has the resources to beat Superman. |
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52 | 35.37% |
No, Batman wouldn't stand a chance agaisnt the current Man of Steel. |
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95 | 64.63% |
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#251 |
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Here is how I hope the fight goes down:
Batman ambushes Superman in some fashion, drawing him to a secluded location. Probably a smelting location with tons of ambient lead. Batman unleashes a variety of different attacks against Superman, which are all effective to varying degrees (IE: Claymore = Distracting, Blinding lights = Annoying, Etc) and finally gets Clark into his final trap, probably a ton of molten steel poured on his head or something. Clark makes it through that just fine and is now really upset with this human weirdo. He finds Bruce, pins him down, and his eyes glow red as he is prepared to use Heat Vision. "Explain why I shouldn't melt you down, like you tried to do to me!" Batman produces a mirror. Batman - "What do you see?" Superman sees his own face with an angry expression and eyes glowing like Zods did. Batman - "What does the world see?" And after exchanging some dialogue (which I am by no means talented enough to write) Superman realizes it's not enough to mean well, he is in a position where he has to let the world know he means well or they will turn on him out of fear. Fear is something Batman knows a little about. After that they decide to trust each other on a provisional basis. Or something. |
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yup should mold some kryptonite batarangs lol
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baaaaaaah. Those are some strict rules ! Tks Deserana. ![]() ![]() ![]() It's never fair for Clark. Last edited by Tequilla; 07-29-2013 at 10:01 AM. |
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You may want to delete that due to language but still. That's amazing.
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It's safe now
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![]() But yes, that's a great satire on how Batman's written in comics. As for the movie, I'd want Superman to basically swat Batman (like parents who corporeally punish their children), but try to avoid punching as much as possible, until Batman gets soo aggresive in his robot suit that Superman is forced to do so, but the impact causes him to SLAM into the ground hard, cracking his suit. Then have Superman check for organ damage with his X-ray vision, and find that he's only minorly bruised. Embarrased, Batman stops fighting. Or something. |
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This is EXACTLY the type of writing that is needed to get batman to win... it's completely ridiculous..
You can probably throw a a billion tons of kryptonite into the sun, and it'll dis-integrate, without turning the sun into one giant radiating kryptonite machine... |
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The thing is...everything in these comics has a degree of ridiculousness. And the moment you crossover them , it grows exponentially.
There's absolutely no reason for these characters to coexist. But if they do , then yeah , they need an extreme version of Batman to cohabit and be relevant in that universe. Hence...prep-time , the world's strongest weapon. |
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![]() This is for Batfans, isn't it? They need to make up their minds. Batfan on why they don't like Superman: "He an unbeatable god!" Batfan on Batman: "He's an unbeatable god!" Batman should never be in the same universe with super powered heroes. There would be no logical need for him in the world and ridiculous scenarios like this are going to pop up because of Batman's popularity. Quote:
Somehow Batman knows everything and never makes an error while Supes never uses his genius intellect or his powers. It's PIS every time. Supes can move faster than Bats can think...game over. There is no "plan" for that. That's a Supes who doesn't even bother to think too. There is no way for a normal human to beat someone with super speed even if the speedster is a moron. Add in the fact that Supes has repeated demonstrated he is able to overcome incredible odds to win and Batman has zero chance. Yet...writers somehow write ridiculous scenarios where Supes loses when he has an overwhelming advantage? ....Or do they? (More below) Oh come on...that's absurd as well. Not quite as absurd as "Batman beats Superman", but it's getting there. Quote:
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Batman has never, and I do mean never, beaten Superman in canon content. Even with prep, his chances of beating Superman are not exactly ideal. To that end, I've compiled a list of all their encounters in both canon and non canon material. I'm pretty sure this is every fight they've ever had, but there might be one or two that I missed. This is mainly so people can shut up about Batgod beating Superman or Superman being a loser because Batman has supposedly beaten him based on one or two out of context scans they've seen floating around on the internet. http://www.comicvine.com/profile/cit...-batman/79268/ I'll keep this one handy for the next time a Batfan posts a panel from one of those issues. Quote:
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Snyder came up with the best answer possible to this question by the way. "Really?" ...But Goyer is in this mix too...and he made Supes pretty dumb in MoS. ![]() Quote:
We can laugh, but Goyer might just be a bad enough writer to pull this off. There are so many problems with this whole thing. First, Nolan/Goyer's Batman is not prepared for everything. (Catwoman is actually working for him and he doesn't know it) So now he's suddenly going to transform into this perfect being who never makes mistakes and knows everything? Ok...so Batman is going to know all of Supes' weaknesses in this movie so he can "beat him". This means that Batman will know everything about Superman....but not figure out that Supes is a good guy who isn't a threat. Yeah...that makes sense. Batman will somehow not bother to look into the most important thing there is to know about Supes which would effect all decisions Batman made about him... Batman will be perfect and never make mistakes....except for that very important one about Supes' character. Huh? Anything to get them to "fight", right? PIS indeed. Which brings up another problem. This "Superman will hold back" stuff is missing an important thing. There is no reason for them to fight unless Supes has gone rogue. And guess who won't be "holding back" if he goes rogue? Let me guess....Batman will make his only mistake again and only think Supes went rogue, right? ![]() I hear that Supes gave Batman a kryptonite ring in case he went rogue. If Batman was really as smart as Batfans claim, Batman would have refused that offer. "No thanks dude!" Guess who will be dead 0000.01 seconds after Superman goes rogue? Yep...the guy with the kyptonite ring. "Plan" that! After the writer ignores all logic to get to the point where they are doing battle, then he gets to turn Supes into a blithering idiot so Batman can best him. This is going to be epic bad writing that could be mocked for generations. Goyer might just become immortal for this...he could become the anti-Shakespeare. Teachers in the future may be holding him up as an example of what to avoid. Quote:
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C'mon, everyone knows the fight will be an unfair one...
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To sum up why Batman doesn't stand a chance, and how this movie is going to go down...
Superman: I could wipe you out like a meteor to some dinosaurs. Batman: Oh please, I survived an atom bomb. Superman: You mean you tricked everyone into thinking you were in the atom bomb explosion. Dude, you got stabbed by your lady friend, when she was right next to you. You punched the joker over and over again, and all he did was laugh. Bane broke your back, and you didn't even defeat him - that was Catwoman technically... and Alfred even saved you from your own burning house one time! Batman: Yep. I went through all of that, and I'm still standing. |
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It's like a little kind beating the big guy on the playground. You wouldn't call that a fight, because there's no real retaliation. Superman should throw Batman like a rag doll and catch him in midair, just to silence the "Batman can beat him easily" crowd. |
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Superman's faces a billionaire genius inventor philanthropist "playboy" on an almost daily basis....except this guy doesn't have a no kill policy and genuinely wants to kill and humiliate him. That's who his archenemy is in case you haven't guessed.
Now put him against a guy who is all that but has a bat motif with everything. Batman = Lex Luthor. |
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That is an exelent.point. If lex can be a menace to Supes, why not batman?
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Because Lex is more ruthless than Batman is. Also, the power suit is bigger. |
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But that is a good way of looking at it as well. Quote:
Regardless of who, kryptonite is always going to be the ultimate physical trump for whichever human opponent Superman faces physically, but Luthor could torment Superman in all sorts of ways that will make the audience hate him so much that they WISH Superman would just kill him. If I were the writer I'd be approaching Luthor from that angle (also, slightly off topic, but I'd find a way to get that great John Byrne story in which Luthor humiliates a waitress by propositioning her to come away with him for a month for a million bucks with no intentions of following through with his promise just to torment her to illustrate what a despicable person Luthor is, lol). I am interested to see how Batman VS Superman will pan out especially if Luthor is the real "bad guy", because you will essentially have Superman against two "Lex Luthors" if you think about it, really (Or "Batmans", whichever you prefer ![]() |
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What if Batman is the one who creates kryptonite? He could gather some intelligence and learn how Superman was harmed by the terraforming effects of the world engine during the events of the first movie. Then he experiments using elements and alloys found at the site where the terraforming first started to occur.
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^ I don't like the idea of Batman intentionally putting Superman in danger, though. I'd want Batman to try to subdue and capture Superman, only to realize that Superman is more powerful than he can imagine, and the only reason he's alive is because Supes is letting him attack.
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Just throwing a couple things in...
After what happened in Metropolis, it's fair assume that every perceivable detail about the battle has been broadcast all over the planet. So someone like Bruce Wayne, with a ton of observational training and scientific know-how built up over the years, would have plenty of opportunities to note Supes's different abilities, how he fights, everything one would need to know to challenge him. Plus, while Superman has become world-famous, Batman by this point is a relative unknown by comparison. Supes would have no reason to even know he exists, let alone go looking for him. So "prep time" would be completely believable here. Also, consider their individual fighting experience. Superman, with all his powers, is not the god that everyone seems to think he is. He may be tougher than most, but he still has human physiology and he still grew up on a farm with no more combat training than anyone else....both disadvantages when facing a world-class martial artist and master strategist. (I should probably mention that the Silver Surfer and Hulk examples above totally make sense to me.) Not to mention that, after what happened with Zod, Supes is probably not eager to have another death on his hands and would probably be holding back to avoid killing him. Batman, on the other, knows that his opponent is nigh-invulnerable and would be able to throw everything he has at the guy without worrying about breaking his rule. With all of these established conditions, there are plenty of ways to even the playing field and make it a fair fight. Now with that said....who says they have to fight? I mean, it would make sense that their would be some tension between them, given their many extreme differences, but why would they necessarily have to physically engage each other? Bruce Wayne could just as easily watch the footage of Superman fighting in Metropolis and decide that the two of them have the same goal, even complement each other. This would be especially strong if there ends up being a common enemy (Lex Luthor, Joker, both, doesn't matter) and they both are forced to team up, despite their differences. Then you could have some good character interaction that doesn't involve them both being a$$holes to each other, while still getting the awesome team-up that we came to see. I personally would much rather see that than Batman and Superman knocking each other around for an hour, plus five minutes of plot and character development. |
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I don't like the idea of Batman creating Kryptonite, either. If anything Lex should create it, but I like the idea of it being meteor samples that are used to form an alternative battery source, like with Metallo. I like the idea of Lex learning Superman's weakness from pure coincidence. |
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