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Old 07-31-2013, 04:58 PM   #326
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If Snyder was just gonna ask Miller "how do I make Batman beat Superman" then he would have just read TDKR, he will likely be asking different things. Why he went to Miller though I dunno.
Why would you not go to the author of your favorite graphic novel?

But yes.. Frank Miller's advice on Superman would be to make him as unlikable as possible so that Batman can go to town on him

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Yeah, I agree. I enjoyed it a lot. It was well done.


And to everyone saying how they hated lapdog Superman in Dark Knight Returns, I am right there with you guys, I don't want to see lapdog Supes, either.
Considering MOS, I don't think we are getting "lapdog" Superman. That's ridiculous. The tone of the character was set by Snyder, he is not going to change it all of a sudden and have him be some Reagan, American way, boy-scout. The Superman of this world tosses that satellite down and tells them you will not spy on me. He will need some advice on Batman though, and Miller is the guy for that.

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Love MOS but if the sequel doesn't build on Superman as a whole to become the champion we all know and love and they show Batman a human beating the sh$$ out of Superman I will be done with DC Movie... Will not be supporting them... I hope Synder hear the Fan's fear and do this movie the right way... A team up with a short encounter fight not a whole movie evolve around this vs...

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I dunno guys...the press release made it pretty damn clear that this movie is mostly about the two of them facing off as enemies. If they don't deliver on that front that you're letting down the people who are actually hyped for that. I don't want Batman to just beat the crap out of Superman, but I do want an epic struggle between the two. If it's just a little skirmish ala Thor and Iron Man in Avengers, and then they become best buds I will call BS.

There's an element of this that feels very lose/lose.

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I dunno guys...the press release made it pretty damn clear that this movie is mostly about the two of them facing off as enemies. If they don't deliver on that front that you're letting down the people who are actually hyped for that. I don't want Batman to just beat the crap out of Superman, but I do want an epic struggle between the two. If it's just a little skirmish ala Thor and Iron Man in Avengers, and then they become best buds I will call BS.

There's an element of this that feels very lose/lose.
At least Marvel did it right by not making their first encounter a vs movie focus... It was quick and show no clear winner... If you start having one be better than the other or establishing a clear winner you'll have fans not happy at all from the losing side. The best thing they can do in this movie is show why each is so love by their fans. Show how powerful superman is and why he's holding back fighting against Batman yet Batman cannot make a dent on Superman physically. For Batman show us why he's one of the smartest and gifted human on earth. You get the best of both world without one beating down on each other to establishing a winner. Go with no clear winner and just let the fans decide it on their own. The focus should always be the two coming together to join force to take down the main villain.

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At least Marvel did it right by not making their first encounter a vs movie focus... It was quick and show no clear winner... If you start having one be better than the other or establishing a clear winner you'll have fans not happy at all from the losing side. The best thing they can do in this movie is show why each is so love by their fans. Show how powerful superman is and why he's holding back fighting against Batman yet Batman cannot make a dent on Superman physically. For Batman show us why he's one of the smartest and gifted human on earth. You get the best of both world without one beating down on each other to establishing a winner. Go with no clear winner and just let the fans decide it on their own. The focus should always be the two coming together to join force to take down the main villain.
I hear what you're saying, but the bolded is exactly why I found The Avengers to be painfully predictable. DC could have something here if they play up the "who will win?" aspect of this film.

You can't win if you try to please everyone anyway. I say just focus on telling us a good story and keep the characters true to themselves and we have a chance of this being a good movie.

I also think going with a vs. movie before going into a full-on teamup helps DC distinguish itself from Marvel.

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I don't want Frank Miller writing or consulting for any character, not even DareDevil

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I hear what you're saying, but the bolded is exactly why I found The Avengers to be painfully predictable. DC could have something here if they play up the "who will win?" aspect of this film.

You can't win if you try to please everyone anyway. I say just focus on telling us a good story and keep the characters true to themselves and we have a chance of this being a good movie.

I also think going with a vs. movie before going into a full-on teamup helps DC distinguish itself from Marvel.
It was pretty predictable. Though I'd rather be satisfied watching a story unfold than have twists that take me out of the movie (cough, IM3, and to a certain extent, TDKR..

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And once again, Batman dominates Supes' thread :/

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Sounds like Man From Uncle is still a go. According to the latest from Variety, filming is supposed to begin Sep 7th. I thought they might pull the plug on it. Guess not.

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Well, let’s look at the bright side guys. If the worst happens, at least some of us will have at least one good Superman film to fall back on, ala MOS, though that might serve more as a double edge sword since it’d just remind us on how much promise it had only to have been wasted by Snyder in his next outing with the Miller-Batman combo.lol

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If it makes you guys feel any better, he said that for MOS, he tried to go in the opposite direction of TDKR, which is evident in the scenes where he destroys the drone and talks about how he cannot be controlled.

Hopefully he'll stay consistent in this regard.

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If it makes you guys feel any better, he said that for MOS, he tried to go in the opposite direction of TDKR, which is evident in the scenes where he destroys the drone and talks about how he cannot be controlled.

Hopefully he'll stay consistent in this regard.

True; though that doesn’t mean that we still couldn’t get a version of Batman who’s portrayed in being more of the “people’s hero” than Superman is like how it was in the comic book, and where we get to see Batman beat up Superman more badly than Zod ever did.

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I have been a big defender of ole Batsy in a MOS follow up. I think having Lex and Bats in a film with Superman can further many of the themes from MOS, not least of which was trust and faith in the collective humanity of the planet.

But I now hear about Miller... And a chill went down me for a second.. For a second I was like "Damn, damn, damn... herolee was right about everything!" (Nothing but love brotha!)

Then I remember how just about every CBM's production team talks about getting input from comic book creator and for good or ill almost always their input is ignored.

But... If... And I stress, IF this film continues the trend of DC characters being nerfed for the purpose of propping up one single character THAT IS ALREADY POPULAR then my hopes for a shared DCCU being successful are crushed. You just had a film ACCURATLY showing the level of pure power Superman has. The BO shows world wide people liked what they did (with blu ray, VOD, syndication and merch yet to be tallied). To nerf Supes now defeats the purpose of all the effort (and I loved the finished product of that effort) they put into MOS.

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Then we'll see a scene where Superman becomes desperate as he fears losing control of his own powers and uses red sun rays to get rid of them so Lois and him can be together. Or something...

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I have been a big defender of ole Batsy in a MOS follow up. I think having Lex and Bats in a film with Superman can further many of the themes from MOS, not least of which was trust and faith in the collective humanity of the planet.

But I now hear about Miller... And a chill went down me for a second.. For a second I was like "Damn, damn, damn... herolee was right about everything!" (Nothing but love brotha!)

Then I remember how just about every CBM's production team talks about getting input from comic book creator and for good or ill almost always their input is ignored.

But... If... And I stress, IF this film continues the trend of DC characters being nerfed for the purpose of propping up one single character THAT IS ALREADY POPULAR then my hopes for a shared DCCU being successful are crushed. You just had a film ACCURATLY showing the level of pure power Superman has. The BO shows world wide people liked what they did (with blu ray, VOD, syndication and merch yet to be tallied). To nerf Supes now defeats the purpose of all the effort (and I loved the finished product of that effort) they put into MOS.
Completely agreed. When I saw the news it felt like the wind was taken out of me. I just hope this is being blown out of proportion or I am at least and it will be much ado about nothing. I'm really hoping! Cause I see nothing positive about consulting with Miller about this project.

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