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Old 08-15-2013, 04:15 AM   #751
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Ultron's face?



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"Yeah, that's the Ultron face which was previewed in the San Diego comic con this year, where they confirmed Age of Ultron. That Ultron face was created by melting the helmet of Iron Man. It was the Red and Gold helmet when powered up(Bright yellow eyes). Then it slowly began to melt. Red and Gold colors faded while Silver color emerged. Then those bright yellow eyes turned into a very scary,evil Red color! While the mouth region erupted from the helmet. Then those antennas were formed. That's how it happened "

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id say yes.... but then again in the books average human beings with absolutely no powers.. have survived things no human really could ...

hell... Widow should have been broken in half by Hulk's punch
hehe it's that TIGHT costume that holds her together.

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is that OFFICAL image? if not, you need to remove it. ANY image from a bootlegged video cannot be posted.
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Ultron's face?



I got a pm:
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:29 AM   #754
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I don't know. A man written for me. "Yeah, that's the Ultron face which was PREVIEWED in the San Diego comic con this year..."
But if you want, delete the picture/post. I have the picture.


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Old 08-15-2013, 09:37 AM   #755
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It will be interesting to see how well they animate him. Ultron is one of the coolest robots ever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5d7J68O_fQ

Pause and 1.08 an tell me that doesnīt look like an Ultron mouth/jaw


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Cap has one-armed launched guys from out of a tank in the MCU ..... I don't know any human who could ever achieve that even in the supposed "peak" condition.

I mean what are we talking about here? We have a guy who barely ages, regenerates faster, stronger than any human, not to mention faster. I think it would be getting into semantics saying he doesn't have special powers. I guess "abilities" might be the easier word to describe it though. Cap is near super-human.
Can't we do things like that when running on Adrenaline?

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Having all of them at once is above human potential. The free-runner and the guy who can bench 1,200 pounds can't be the same guy because of the way bodies work. You have to sacrifice one for the other, there's no other way. Cap's body works better than most other people's, so he can be both of those guys plus a couple of other guys all at once. That is well beyond anybody regular human's potential to achieve through training.
That's a good point, I would agree with that. However, I brought Captain America up as a comparison to Batman as far as superpowers or qualifications to be a superhero. In Batman's case, no one regular person can do what he does either, and he also can be both those guys (though I think he only benches 800), as well as a dozen other guys, particularly a large set of mental disciplines that he mastered over less than a decade, apparently.

Do we say that he doesn't have powers because he gained those through training, even though no one else can do so? Are the chemicals in his body not considered as superpower because they were made naturally? Do we discount every super power gained through training? Iron Fist? Daredevil? Taskmaster? Pretty much every anime character ever?

Or do we say Batman doesn't have powers just because it says so on his bio, even though he has demonstrated abilities beyond those of normal people time and again.

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Ultron's face?



I got a pm:
"Yeah, that's the Ultron face which was previewed in the San Diego comic con this year, where they confirmed Age of Ultron. That Ultron face was created by melting the helmet of Iron Man. It was the Red and Gold helmet when powered up(Bright yellow eyes). Then it slowly began to melt. Red and Gold colors faded while Silver color emerged. Then those bright yellow eyes turned into a very scary,evil Red color! While the mouth region erupted from the helmet. Then those antennas were formed. That's how it happened "
This isn't from the SDCC trailer. It comes from the Age of Ultron #10: Cover Recap video Marvel released on their Youtube page:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZHPmgg82o8

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Itīs the science which we understand that decide the human potential until we reach a limit where the very DNA must be altered to that not of a human sepcies in order to improve. That limit hasnīt been discovered yet so itīs impossible to tell whatīs superpowers and not.

So if someone has mental training or is taking protein pills(which is science) they do not have powers even if they become stronger than any other humans not taking the pills. As long as the pill keeps getting stronger, thatīs considered to be not superhuman, because we understand why it happens.

As I said earlier. If someone in the roman empire had anabolic steroids he would be considered to have superpowers. Or if someone was taught modern science, that would also be considered as a superpower because that was impossible back then since they didnīt understand the things we do now.

the comics arenīt realistic so itīs impossible to actually come up with a legit theory imo. Maybe you could estimate that Cap is human peak beacause you can compare him to elit athletics.


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Cap can also run about 60 MPH in the comics, right? His muscles don't build up fatigue-causing toxins the way normal humans do so he can keep up a pace like that without tiring for quite a distance. He can't be poisoned (though he sometimes is due to severe PIS), his reflexes are faster than normal, his eyesight and hearing are also superhuman. He killed at least one Chitauri with a single punch, knocking its jaw clean off. The most impressive thing, for me, is that Captain America withstood a massive blow from Thor and walked away. The shield might have deflected a lot of the energy back at Thor, but Steve was still the one holding it. Everything we've seen of Captain America suggests that he's stronger than his comic book counterpart, who can only lift about 1,000 lbs., though nowhere near the level of Thor or even Iron Man in his armor.


In an interview Markus & McFeely said that they were considering having Steve become even more powerful as time went on, until he became definitively superhuman. I've never read that Feige or Whedon was onboard with that, however.
pretty sure comics cap has done ALL of the above in one form or another, especially the whole Thor hammer vs Shield

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This isn't from the SDCC trailer. It comes from the Age of Ultron #10: Cover Recap video Marvel released on their Youtube page:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZHPmgg82o8
Okay wasn't sure, I'll leave it then

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Itīs the science which we understand that decide the human potential until we reach a limit where the very DNA must be altered to that not of a human sepcies in order to improve. That limit hasnīt been discovered yet so itīs impossible to tell whatīs superpowers and not.

So if someone has mental training or is taking protein pills(which is science) they do not have powers even if they become stronger than any other humans not taking the pills. As long as the pill keeps getting stronger, thatīs considered to be not superhuman, because we understand why it happens.

As I said earlier. If someone in the roman empire had anabolic steroids he would be considered to have superpowers. Or if someone was taught modern science, that would also be considered as a superpower because that was impossible back then since they didnīt understand the things we do now.
This is exactly why i do not consider a SSS individual one who has super powers. Super Human, yes, but they don't have any powers. They are just incredibly exceptional human beings

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... i think they're synonymous and just as powerful as eachother. i don't see MCU cap doing anything 616 cap can't or hasn't done, especially when compared to the exaggerated (but still un-powered) movie widow and hawkeye
I'll defend you in this. Because I don't think they understand what you are trying to say when you say cap's abilities aren't super powers.

Cap can do things a peak human can do, respectively. His peak abilities, each one, a human being is capable of doing one of those. Cap is the only human who can do all of them, at peak levels though, that makes him super human. However, all the things he can do, each one of those are capable of being achieved individually by a person. Each one of those things, his strength, agility..etc, are things that a person can accomplish, he can accomplish each one of these attributes as one, making him "super human", but they can be super powers.

So what you are trying to say, I think, is that cap's abilities are just peak of things a human being can do. While "super powers" are super abilities, that NO human being is naturally capable of doing. Dense skin, strength that is beyond achieving by even world class weight lifters, turning invisible.

That being said,

Cap's super powers are that he doesn't fatigue and that his body and mind are inhumanly capable of doing what he does. He does have powers,


but I get you saying that his powers aren't really.. "powers"

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Simply put, we got DNA stats. There is an unimaginable amount of areas. Some ppl have good reflexes, others easy to build muscles, others good metabolism etc.

Cap has 10/10 in most areas when it comes to biological performance of the human body. He is re-shaped to the perfect man with the perfect biological structure.

What the 10 (our peak potential) means, we do not know. But one thing is sure. If someone has 11/10 he is not human for his DNA allows him things our DNA wouldnīt.

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Ultron's face was kind of at an angle in the logo trailer. It wasn't facing like straight at us as I recall.

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Whedon said Pym won't be in the Avengers, but he never said Pym didn't create ULTRON.

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Whedon said "You donīt need a Pym to create an Ultron". I think.

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Whedon said "You donīt need a Pym to create an Ultron". I think.
True.

Pym doesn't have to be his creator, and Pym doesn't have to be his creator.

However, that doesn't mean he couldn't have played SOME part in Ultron's creation, or that he won't have something to do with a later incarnation.

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I'll defend you in this. Because I don't think they understand what you are trying to say when you say cap's abilities aren't super powers.

Cap can do things a peak human can do, respectively. His peak abilities, each one, a human being is capable of doing one of those. Cap is the only human who can do all of them, at peak levels though, that makes him super human. However, all the things he can do, each one of those are capable of being achieved individually by a person. Each one of those things, his strength, agility..etc, are things that a person can accomplish, he can accomplish each one of these attributes as one, making him "super human", but they can be super powers.

So what you are trying to say, I think, is that cap's abilities are just peak of things a human being can do. While "super powers" are super abilities, that NO human being is naturally capable of doing. Dense skin, strength that is beyond achieving by even world class weight lifters, turning invisible.

That being said,

Cap's super powers are that he doesn't fatigue and that his body and mind are inhumanly capable of doing what he does. He does have powers,


but I get you saying that his powers aren't really.. "powers"
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Anyone else think that Tony might be taken over by Ultron in this movie? Ultron has used Extremis to take over Tony before and didn't Joss say he wanted Ultron to have a face or something like that?


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Ultron's face was kind of at an angle in the logo trailer. It wasn't facing like straight at us as I recall.
I don't see why Marvel doesn't just release the darned teaser. What is it going to spoil?

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can someone post a rough drawing as in how the ultron actually looked in teaser ...

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I wasnīt there but guys, it was like 2 years before release.

Maybe the trailer was just a cool way of showing the fans whatīs comming. Maybe thatīs why it melted not giving clear features except the big mouth, red eyes and silver robotic skin.

I donīt think they will release it because having ppl looking at it might give them the wrong idea about how he is going to look. But I am just guessing lol

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Man MightyAlly .... you are posting up a storm on almost every Phase 2 forum.

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A storm? If you mean a lot, yes thatīs true. Itīs okay to think I donīt have a life hehe


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