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Everything I've read indicates Wolverine's consciousness is sent from 2023 straight to 1972, where is everyone getting he first goes to 2013?
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The 2023 stuff, with Wolverine, Warpath, Sunspot, Blink, is most likely some sort of prologue, showing how bad things get. And likely a chance to showcase that Wolverine death shot. |
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I love this series and I love the cast and crew but I'm not delusional enough to think that it's not without its faults, chief among them are all the continuity errors. Its the nature of making these films one at a time, you're bound to have things NOT line up.The key is to just enjoy the movies and not be bothered with them. But to completely turn a blind eye to them and saying the errors DON'T/NEVER existed is just a whole different level of delusion. |
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^ I'm not 'in denial'; I just refuse to acknowledge made-up contradictions as having any validity.
As for whether or not I'm 'delusional', I think you're the delusional one for making up contradictions that aren't actually contradictions. Last edited by DigificWriter; 07-29-2013 at 09:45 PM. |
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Where did you guys get this year 2023?
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I thought that the things looked bad already in 2013 - that's after all why they send Wolverine back in time to correct the past. Why is there a need to jump another 10 years into the future at all?
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It's also the best pre-titles sequence ever, if they choose to do that. |
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I guess just to show how horrible it will get if they don't succeed. It ups the stakes. I personally don't need three time lines but the footage people saw indicates there are three. Wolverine in all of them. The new mutants don't seem to be involved with the present day team.
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There would just be a different timeline introduced in this film. Which Singer has also discussed.
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They aren't introducing a new timeline. They haven't suggested that in recent interviews.
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Uh, Singer himself has already stated that the movie WOULD address characters destinies as well as the idea of alternate timelines.
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I like the notion of a message originating in 2023. Right now the speculation that 2023 is just going to be a prologue showing how bad things will get doesn't cut it for me in terms of relevance. Unless one of the characters knows what 2023 will look like there's no point to wasting screen time on it.
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Still imagining a Back to the Future type ending. Wolverine wakes up back in "1985" to see the school run by Charles and Erick and the old gang like Storm and Hank and Jean and Scott alive.
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Alternate after it had been altered not before.
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If I had to guess, one of the timelines will be left not knowing how the future turned out, similar to the way DAYS OF FUTURE PAST ended.
And we'll then see an alternate timeline created for the future we had previously seen.
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The big question is...
Why Bishop/Blink/the apocalyptic future warn an timeline who is not threatened by the sentinels ? In the OT/The Wolverine timeline, Sentinels are not a direct threat. So why travel through time to prevent something that has not happened? |
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The 'present' of DoFP has been confirmed to take place 10 years after the events of The Last Stand, and everything about the 5 released films points to that movie's events taking place not in the year the film was released (2006), but in 2003, and reports about the footage that was shown at Comic-Con indicate that the X-Men are 'in the thick of it' when they send Wolverine back in time from the 'present'.
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But....that said, I'm intrigued by the idea. I do like the idea of the prologue with the iconic Wolverine death shot. And it's a way to have Bishop still travel back in time: in the future, they send Bishop back to the "present" (maybe they can only go back so far) to simply warn the X-Men. Once he does, the "present" X-Men hatch the plan to send Logan's mind back to prevent Sentinels from ever existing in the first place (presumably because there is no way to stop it in the present). Thus, when Logan succeeds (spoiler alert: he probably will), he is sent back to an altered present with Scott and Jean alive, but Bishop is still there as he is physically out of time and doesn't go back (much like he was the only one who remembered the "real" timeline in AOA). This is assuming, of course, that we are in fact dealing with three separate periods of time. With Wolverine being center stage in each. ![]() |
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And I think that if they really really wanted the iconic death shot, Wolverine could simply return to his mind near the end of the film and then they could have some kind of big Everybody Dies climatic sequence. Or something. |
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Which makes sense, really. With an older grey-haired Wolverine in 2023, and a more 'normal' looking Wolverine in the present scenes, which would be mere years after The Wolverine. Last edited by Double B; 07-31-2013 at 05:26 AM. |
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The reason for 3 time periods is pretty simple in my mind: showing the audience the consequences of what could happen if things aren't changed AND provide an opportunity to shock the audience by giving the Sentinels a major 'onscreen kill'.
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I think he's reffering to the fact that it would seem Xavier doesn't know about the Helmet or how Magneto is blocking his thoughts from him in the first movie
which this is also the biggest plot hole in the movie, as he still clearly read his mind the beginning of the movie (when he wasn't wear his helmet) and, neither Toad, Sabretooth, nor Mystique wore a helmet so what was stopping him from reading their minds? he even took over the minds of Toad and Sabretooth in one scene, so, why couldn't he figure out what there plan was |
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I get the showing "us" the audience, but how do "they" in the characters within the movie, in the the present timeline know that its the future there trying to prevent (without someone either coming back to warn them, or without someone seeing the future)
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Moira isn't really a continuity error or contradiction. Moira clearly left the CIA at the end of First Class and had some interest and knowledge of genetics. She very easily could have pursued a different career after leaving the CIA. The age issue isn't any more of a continuity error than Obi Won in the Star Wars franchise. The ages might not line up perfectly, but it's not so incorrect that it warrants being considered an "error" How is Magneto's helmet a contradiction when it does the exact same thing in X-Men: First Class and the original trilogy? Not really a contradiction. Xavier stated: "Because he helped me build it". The Cerebro in X-Men: First Class is not Xavier's Cerebro in the original trilogy. Xavier obviously still has to build Cerebro, he now just merely has a design to work off of. Xavier and Magneto teaming up at some point after X-Men: First Class is not unfeasible in the least bit. Quote:
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And even if they did, a segment of the population can be completely known about, but their struggle not a public issue. Unless you want to tell me that homosexuality only existed within the last 20 years or so... Probably the only real "error", but hardly a significant one at that, as Xavier's on again / off again walking hardly changes the narratives of his 2 individual scenes in X-Men: The Last Stand or X-Men Origins: Wolverine. These errors exist, but are hardly worth getting worked up about in the larger picture of the franchise. Quote:
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The intent here is obviously to connect all the movies together, thus continuing to confirm them in continuity. It would make no sense for Days of Future Past to then come through a year later and wipe out what the series is blatantly going out of it's way to connect to. There will be some changes, as is the nature of adding a new movie to an existing series. But no movies are getting wiped out of continuity, and no huge, sweeping changes are going to be made to the timeline. When Singer talked about "fixing" things, and even dealing with characters "fates", I have a pretty big feeling that he's talking about Xavier, Magneto, and possibly Rogue to explain their involvements in the film when they had obvious fates at the end of X-Men: The Last Stand. I'll be surprised if Jean and Cyclops make returns. I agree with you. In my opinion, all 6 movies fit together quite nicely. Given the events of The Wolverine, I do wish that the deleted alternate scene from X-Men: The Last Stand of Logan going back to the bar in Canada from X-Men was part of the official version of that movie. It would have worked perfectly, I think. |
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