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Old 12-07-2016, 09:11 AM   #1
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Default A superhero movie with no action?

Would you be interested in a superhero movie that doesn't have any action? Marvel has flirted with different genres, but could just drama carry the whole movie?

I have kinda always wanted a Superman movie that didn't have any villains, at least in traditional sense. Movie that is just about exploration of Clark Kent and his role in the world. First act of BvS attempted something like that, which I admire, but I found the execution to be dull and heartless. My dream movie would have scenes like one below.



On Marvel side I'd enjoy Hawkeye movie that was about his homelife. What is his relationship with his wife like? What do they argue about and how they solve those arguments? How do they show their love for each other? How does Clint raise his kids? Does he tell stories of his adventures? If he spends most of his time avengering, how does he connect to his children?

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Old 12-07-2016, 10:11 AM   #2
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I like the idea of a retrospective Superman movie but I guess you could just adapt All Star Superman which had its fair share of action sequences.

I don't know. I think the genre is inherently action oriented. Like the western we might get more experimental and thoughtful films once all this has passed. When we're older.

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Old 12-07-2016, 10:22 AM   #3
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I think it's possible to have the hero in costume seen 'saving the world' in a passive way but the majority screen time would have to be with the alter ego.

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Old 12-07-2016, 11:32 AM   #4
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It's possible, but you have to avoid the audience expecting action, which is kinda hard. It rules out characters like Superman, where people want to see Superman punch something, and a more introspective movie will be maligned for not fulfilling the promise of the character.

You essentially will need to focus the movie on an action-light character, and even then, even movies like Titanic, or Gone Girl have action, it's just not superheroic beat-em-up action. There are a few ways you can go with this that seem immediately apparent to me:

A) You can do a character who is not a classical superhero, that is a Lois Lane movie will be immediately understood to not be about beating up Brainiac.
B) You can do a character who is so god-like that it's impossible to do an action movie with him. A Dr. Manhattan movie would be inherently introspective, and people would understand that going in. I think Superman Returns was going for this, but for many who see Superman as an action hero, it was insufficient.
C) And then, in a similar vein you can do a character whose powers are not offensive, that is a Jean Grey movie, for instance, is understood that there isn't a lot of punching. There may be 'action' but the action is more dreamscape stuff, and may involve little to no 'combat' though then you're blurring the line between drama and combat, which, I'd hope, is the point.

Another important aspect is how a movie is released and promoted. A Hawkeye family film that is promoted years ahead of time with a budget of 120M could be seen as a disappointment. But a cheap and dirty style film, not unlike Deadpool. Also, the drama will have to be good because the action is considered good, otherwise it'll be a 'should've done what they're good at' thing.

For me personally, I'd love a Green Lantern movie in which punches are shown to be unhelpful and creative solutions are how things are resolved, but that's not too likely. I think Dr. Strange, in being focused on it's, imho, limited physical combat and foot chases instead of the much cooler spatial manipulation gamesmanship that it could have been was a lost opportunity. I think the resolution was much more in keeping with an action-light magic user like Strange, what with out thinking one's opponent's reality. I think there are other heroes whose conflicts could be restrained to more social and cerebral conflicts that are enabled or empowered by their powers, but none come to mind so quickly at the moment. I can say a Fantastic Four movie that ended in the same kind of beat-em-up at the last three would be disappointing, but I don't think there should be a beat-em-up scene in there, either. I think there are a number or properties, X-Men included, that would work, perhaps even better, as drama-centric with only one or two real action scenes in there. Certainly the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix Saga doesn't work as a beat-em-up, for instance.

But for those who really just have NO action, something like a King's Speech or a Wolf of Wall Street, where superheroics are analagized to a mundane job that the hero is simply trying to deal with purely from a dramatic standpoint, there's not many heroes that could get away with not showing off the action their powers promise, and indeed, that superhero comics are built on. Perhaps original characters could get away with this better, but the most important part is making sure the audience doesn't feel promised any action, and that, clearly, is no mean feat.

It would pwn though, and if done right could make some tremendous Oscar bait.

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Old 12-07-2016, 11:46 AM   #5
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A superhero movie with no action? We already got that ten years ago.


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Old 12-07-2016, 12:13 PM   #6
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Unbreakable was like that and was actually really good.

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Old 12-07-2016, 12:21 PM   #7
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I prefer a movie with a good balance of action and character moments, unless it's a character in have no attachment to or knowledge of it want some action in my CBMs.

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Old 12-07-2016, 12:45 PM   #8
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Unbreakable was like that and was actually really good.
Thanks for reminding me! Awesome movie.

DrCosmic had a long post. I don't regret reading it. Lots of good thoughts from others too.

Superpowers are usually something that are useful in dangerous situations. But I've always loved those little human moments when heroes use their powers in relaxed situations. Like when Clark Kent pushes nails with his fingers instead of using a hammer or when Iceman cools people's drinks.

Imagine a movie that is completely like the party scene in Age of Ultron.

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Old 12-07-2016, 12:49 PM   #9
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A superhero movie with no action? We already got that ten years ago.

LOL, as soon as I saw this topic I was going to post this.

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Old 12-07-2016, 02:38 PM   #10
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Superman saving the aircraft is one of the best action set pieces in any comic book movie.

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Old 12-08-2016, 03:50 AM   #11
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A superhero movie with no action? We already got that ten years ago.

Tru dat !

In that film Superman uses heavy lifting and his new "boredom vision" powers (which allows him to stare mournfully until everyone stops giving a **** ).


While it was cool that Dr Strange resolved the final problem with brains rather than raw brawn or power, to get to that stage it took a series of kick-ass fight scenes with magic weapons, astral projection and folding space.

IMO action is a part of superhero films - the best cbms have a balance of action and character development/story etc. What makes Civil War so brilliant is that the villain takes down the heroes without punching any of them.

Maybe I'm unrefined, but I think Superhero films need to have some action, I mean looking at the genre from the very beginning, action (as in fighting ) has been a big part of the narrative.

There's a difference between Superheroes using their brains (rather than just punching ) to defeat villains, Reed Richards did that all the time in FF comics.
But, we still love seeing the Thing and Human Torch kick ass !

I have no problem with superheroes using their brains - but I prefer that once they've found they can't overcome an enemy with force (again, Dr Strange being a perfect example).

But hey, that's me !

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Old 12-08-2016, 04:35 AM   #12
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It has been a while since I read it, but I do not remember there being much action in Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on a Serious Earth. A movie based on that could be excellent if done properly.

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Old 12-08-2016, 07:41 PM   #13
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The Astro City movie they are developing could be kind of this, in theory. I mean, it might have some action, but not in a "this is the focus of the plot" kind of manner.

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Old 12-08-2016, 09:13 PM   #14
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This movie is the reason why if you do craft a superhero movie with minimal action, it has to actually be good and not some boring crapfest like SR was.

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Old 12-09-2016, 12:19 AM   #15
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Unbreakable was like that and was actually really good.
It was very ahead of its time.

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Old 12-09-2016, 05:30 AM   #16
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I also think you can't really separate action and comic books.

I think superhero movies should have action, but not necessary always fighting. It's impossible to make a movie like that with the Batman, because he's all about dealing with dangerous criminals. But you can in cases of Superman and Spider-man. And we got it in the past.

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