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Old 08-01-2013, 08:52 PM   #201
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Old 08-02-2013, 07:01 AM   #202
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I wouldn't say dent's change came out of left field. I mean, the guy went through some pretty traumatic stuff to get to where he went. totally realistic. (except that he survived being that badly burned. )
I can only say what I felt while watching the movie. The movie establishes Dent as a white than white cop who is honest as the day is long and all it took was disfigurement and the loss of his girlfriend (that he couldn't have known for more than a year) to send him completely over the edge.
Sorry, I don't buy it. But it wasn't enough to kill the movie for me.

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Old 08-02-2013, 10:02 AM   #203
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I can only say what I felt while watching the movie. The movie establishes Dent as a white than white cop who is honest as the day is long and all it took was disfigurement and the loss of his girlfriend (that he couldn't have known for more than a year) to send him completely over the edge.
Sorry, I don't buy it. But it wasn't enough to kill the movie for me.
I don't the fact alone that his disfigurement and loss of the women he loved caused him to go over the edge, but also the Joker twisting his logic while Harvey was in a unstable emotional state.

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Its certainly one of the better ones, not quite in the dark knight category but one of the best Marvel ones so far, better than IM 2 or 3, Thor or CA:TFA.
I actually prefer Cap and Thor to it. To me, The Wolverine and IM2 are in the same league. Both are decent movies, but also have a lot of flaws.

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Old 08-02-2013, 12:48 PM   #205
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I can only say what I felt while watching the movie. The movie establishes Dent as a white than white cop who is honest as the day is long and all it took was disfigurement and the loss of his girlfriend (that he couldn't have known for more than a year) to send him completely over the edge.
Sorry, I don't buy it. But it wasn't enough to kill the movie for me.
Yeah, but then again, wasn't the joker (in the comics) a regular guy that went completely bonkers because of similar reasons (girl died and he got physically deformed)?

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Old 08-02-2013, 01:06 PM   #206
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Yeah, but then again, wasn't the joker (in the comics) a regular guy that went completely bonkers because of similar reasons (girl died and he got physically deformed)?
I choose to ignore that back story.

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I choose to ignore that back story.
Because...?

Anyways, comics and Batman comics specifically are full with characters that snapped after one bad day.

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Old 08-02-2013, 02:08 PM   #208
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Because...?

Anyways, comics and Batman comics specifically are full with characters that snapped after one bad day.
Much like spidey villains too.

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Much like spidey villains too.
Yeah, so how come Dent going crazy after all that happened is suddenly unconvincing?

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I loved the scene where he captures Gordan's family, very powerful.

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I loved the scene where he captures Gordan's family, very powerful.
More than many CGI fests.

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Old 08-02-2013, 05:50 PM   #212
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When you say overrated comic film, I definitely think of Iron Man 3. When I think of overrated character definitely the Wolverine and perhaps Spider-Man.

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When you say overrated comic film, I definitely think of Iron Man 3. When I think of overrated character definitely the Wolverine and perhaps Spider-Man.
Spider-Man is my favourite, what about him is overrated?

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Nolan's Batman became a comic book gold standard for good reason, but I feel his contributions are grossly overrated. The Dark Knight is one of the very best cbms, but the series isn't flawless by a longshot.

Nolan plots are often extremely convoluted, exposition heavy and full of holes. He flat out sucks as an action director and in 3 films barely ever successfully portrayed Batman on-screen. It was only Begins that brought the bat to life for me, the following films had none of the great, shadowy theatrics that makes the character interesting, and the bat-voice is embarrassing.

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I don't know, it just doesn't sit well with me. I ignore a lot of storylines (e.g. sins past).

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Old 08-02-2013, 10:41 PM   #216
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I consider TDK & TDKR overrated.

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I loved the scene where he captures Gordan's family, very powerful.
See, and here I couldn't get past Dent being Gotham's white knight. Pretty much didn't buy any scene that contained 'Two-Face'. Actually that's not true, there was one scene which was very powerful and that is when Dent tells Gordon to say the name the police call him behind his back.

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Old 08-03-2013, 05:17 AM   #218
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Nolan's Batman became a comic book gold standard for good reason, but I feel his contributions are grossly overrated. The Dark Knight is one of the very best cbms, but the series isn't flawless by a longshot.

Nolan plots are often extremely convoluted, exposition heavy and full of holes. He flat out sucks as an action director and in 3 films barely ever successfully portrayed Batman on-screen. It was only Begins that brought the bat to life for me, the following films had none of the great, shadowy theatrics that makes the character interesting, and the bat-voice is embarrassing.
I think the Nolan Series is the standard because it made (imho) two good movies and one great movie.
By contrast Raimi made one good movie, one great movie and one HORRIBLE movie.

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I consider TDK & TDKR overrated.
I think they are overrated as comic book adaptations.

They are fantastic films, on that basic of a level. But as adaptations of the Batman comics, they lack. Heavily.

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Old 08-04-2013, 10:13 AM   #220
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My top 10 with an Honorable mention.

1. Batman Returns
2. Iron Man 3
3. The Avengers
4. Spider-Man 1
5. Iron Man
6. Batman 89
7. Superman 2: Lester/theatrical release
8. Thor
9. Captain America
10. Incredible Hulk

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Old 08-04-2013, 03:36 PM   #221
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I think they are overrated as comic book adaptations.

They are fantastic films, on that basic of a level. But as adaptations of the Batman comics, they lack. Heavily.
Agreed as movie thrillers they are great as CBMs they aren't.

Also people mistakenly credit Nolan with doing the first grounded and darkish toned CBM. Both X-Men & Daredevil did that first

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I didn't like Iron Man 3 but I don't know if that makes it "overrated" -- I'd say the reception was pretty mixed.

As far as movies that are universally considered good, I'd say that Superman: The Movie is overrated. He turns back time by flying around the planet -- that's such an idiotic, lazy plot device (that makes every potential future outcome unimportant) that I have a hard time getting over it... The fact that the Donner cut of Superman II uses the same ending is bafflingly terrible.

Captain America is probably a bit overrated too. It's a solid movie but I've seen people that think it's upper echelon and I don't know why at all.

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Agreed as movie thrillers they are great as CBMs they aren't.

Also people mistakenly credit Nolan with doing the first grounded and darkish toned CBM. Both X-Men & Daredevil did that first
X-Men is a fairly grounded version of that story but it's obviously different than Batman because the powers are so fantastical. And I wouldn't really call X-Men dark.

Daredevil just sucks.

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Agreed as movie thrillers they are great as CBMs they aren't.

Also people mistakenly credit Nolan with doing the first grounded and darkish toned CBM. Both X-Men & Daredevil did that first
They are pretty stupid "movie thrillers" in my opinion. Great CBMs though.

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I think they are overrated as comic book adaptations.

They are fantastic films, on that basic of a level. But as adaptations of the Batman comics, they lack. Heavily.
I'd agree with you on TDK. TDKR is just terrible all around in my opinion. I think Begins is very underrated, considering the latter two.

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