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Old 07-29-2013, 11:46 PM   #26
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Why hate Fox???

1. They screwed up Alien Vs Predator
2. They screwed up Marvel properties such as Fantastic Four, Daredevil and some of X-men
3. They cancelled Firefly
4. They made an a-hole move by putting Quicksilver in DOFP
5. They still have the rights to Fantastic Four

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Old 07-30-2013, 12:50 AM   #27
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Because I don't consider FF, FF:ROTSS, X3, XMO:W or FC good and haven't seen Wolverine yet so I can't comment on that.
you forgot daredevil and Elektra too lol
Although I think first class is quality

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Old 07-30-2013, 01:27 AM   #28
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FOX is disliked because their track record is horrible. They are notorious for putting out cheap cash-ins and the studio has alienated many top filmmakers because of their micromanaging. Granted most of that was under Tom Rothman, and they have gotten better lately but it will take a long time of continually putting out good films to wash out the stench of the previous decade.

It goes beyond superhero films. This was affecting the entire studio. Check out what Ridley Scott had to go through on Kingdom of Heaven for starters. To dismiss this as a fanboy complaint is baseless because countless critics and industry employees that care nothing for comic book films have said the same thing. We just focus on the comic book ones because that's what this site caters too. The same thing was happening to most of their films.

It actually goes even beyond that. Their news and television divisions aren't respected either.
This sums it up nicely.

There are very legitimate reasons Fox finds itself in the position it does now. That said, I do understand the frustration with more recent Fox hate, as a lot of it comes from bandwagon fanboys who don't have a clue what they're talking about. "Wolverine isn't violent enough! Send him back to Marvel! The Mouse will do it right." Shut up.

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Old 07-30-2013, 01:40 AM   #29
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i cant stand marvel studio fan boys they wont support fox super hero films because it is not marvel studios even tho x men first class was a really good film with stellar performances and i just got back from the wolverine and it was such a beautifully crafted film and jackman's best performance to date

why cant you just enjoy all marvel films i personally preferred wolverine to im3 and first class to thor and cap and even rise of the apes was one of my fav. movies from 2011

fox has directors like mangold,vaughn,singer all stellar directors with strong visions and directing ability but they wont support their work because it is not part of the mcu

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Old 07-30-2013, 01:40 AM   #30
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Why the hate?

Because 1. they butchered a lot of Marvel favorites while Rothman was president & 2. their ownership of such & such is preventing some great arcs from ever coming to life on the big screen.

The X-Men franchise looks promising again once that dumb ass Rothman left. I look forward to that one day when Marvel will be in position to just buy FOX.

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i cant stand marvel studio fan boys they wont support fox super hero films because it is not marvel studios even tho x men first class was a really good film with stellar performances and i just got back from the wolverine and it was such a beautifully crafted film and jackman's best performance to date

why cant you just enjoy all marvel films i personally preferred wolverine to im3 and first class to thor and cap and even rise of the apes was one of my fav. movies from 2011

fox has directors like mangold,vaughn,singer all stellar directors with strong visions and directing ability but they wont support their work because it is not part of the mcu
I can't stand Fox fanboys.

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Fox has fanboys?

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I think it's MCU fanboyism
Thats one of the main reasons!

But I love FOX! FOX rocks!

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Old 07-30-2013, 02:23 AM   #34
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Thats one of the main reasons!

But I love FOX! FOX rocks!



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Old 07-30-2013, 02:56 AM   #36
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difference is fox fans enjoy all super hero movies marvel studio fans refuse to give fox credit and want all their films to fail so they can get the rights


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Old 07-30-2013, 03:05 AM   #37
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difference is fox fans enjoy all super hero movies marvel studio fans refuse to give fox credit and want all their films to fail so they an get the rights
I cant speak for all Marvel Studio fanboys but I love the X-men movies and is the only Marvel property that I hope doesn't go back to Marvel (at least any time soon).

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difference is fox fans enjoy all super hero movies marvel studio fans refuse to give fox credit and want all their films to fail so they can get the rights
credit for what? two good x-men movies? I give them credit for that.
but since then a lot has happend and they were made a decade ago.

and I don't care for the x-men rights, they work better if seperated from the rest of the MU. the FF on the other hand...

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Old 07-30-2013, 04:52 AM   #39
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actually 4 great x men movies but who's keeping count

only marvel studio films i really like is im and avengers i think thor,im2/im3/cap are all pretty medicore

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actually 4 great x men movies but who's keeping count
me and since I haven't seen Wolverine yet I only count two

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Fox has 4 good movies and 6 terrible ones. Congratulations.

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Dam u fx u r bad gust gve the rihts bck to marvel and disney thy will do it rght!

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Old 07-30-2013, 09:11 AM   #43
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you forgot daredevil and Elektra too lol
Although I think first class is quality
First Class was great, but if you followed the production Fox executives made most of the same mistakes they always do (rushed the film out, meddlesome production, etc.). They just got lucky that Matthew Vaughn was able to make a good film in spite of the handicap.

Even the Houston Astros win a game once in awhile.

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Old 07-30-2013, 09:25 AM   #44
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I personally feel no attachment to the MCU. The success is mostly contributable to RDJ and Whedon more recently, and Favreau in the past, who was shown the door soon after. That's not to say they haven't brought in ancillary talent, but these directorial choices are pissing me off to no end. Joe Johnston for Cap? That dude has NEVER made a film that stands out as something truly unique, maybe Rockateer but certainly not a film that most people fondly remember. Branagh had his hands cuffed for Thor I felt. Everything has just been super bland and forgettable. I have no desire to see any MCU movies again, aside from Avengers and that's because that truly is a classic popcorn movie. The rest is forgettable, generic garbage as far as I'm concerned.

X-2 and FC are movies I can watch over an over again for some reason. It stands out to me. They touch on the deeper themes of inequality and alienation from society, and that is what every X-Men movie is ultimately about. Even Nolan's trilogy, while not the crowd pleaser that carries top notch entertainment value from repeat viewing, maintains the subtleties and nuances in the story telling while hammering out the heavier themes. It doesn't play the audience for fools like Thor and Cap did as mere setups for the Avengers. My fear is DoFP may turn into a mere popcorn crowd pleaser without hammering home any deeper themes or provactive sci-fi ideas or concepts, but I have the utmost faith that Singer can deliver. I don't get why people are raving about the Thor and Cap sequels on the other hand. Just looks like more of the same. Throw ScarJo in some tight leather and give her pistols, put Portman in as another damsel in distress, and the MCU fanboys are convinced they have something special brewing.


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Old 07-30-2013, 09:38 AM   #45
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It has nothing to do with the MCU. Fox was hated long before Marvel Studios was even a thing. Fox has been hated for a decade-plus at this point. Trust me. I've been signed up to this board since 2003 and it was hated then too.

Even before the first X-Men in 2000, I remember people in real life and on other boards thinking it was going to flop because it was a FOX film. It goes back at least that far.

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actually 4 great x men movies but who's keeping count

only marvel studio films i really like is im and avengers i think thor,im2/im3/cap are all pretty medicore
You keep harping on Thor, Capt. America etc (which are all decent films), but chose to ignore Fox's train wrecks like DD, Elektra, FF 1 & 2, as well as X3 and Origins. Those aren't mediocre movies; they are atrocious movies.

With that said, though, I don't mind Fox keeping the X-Men rights, but they should give Marvel the rights of FF. They probably won't, though.

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Fox has 4 good movies and 6 terrible ones. Congratulations.
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Great: X-Men: First Class
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Atrocious: X-Men Origins: Wolverine, Elektra, Fantastic Four 1 & 2

Have not seen the Wolverine yet.

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First Class was great, but if you followed the production Fox executives made most of the same mistakes they always do (rushed the film out, meddlesome production, etc.). They just got lucky that Matthew Vaughn was able to make a good film in spite of the handicap.

Even the Houston Astros win a game once in awhile.
Exactly. Now imagine if FC was given that extra 6-9 months it needed. It would have been amazing. It is the talent of the those involved, not Fox that has saved any of these films. Fox sets these films up to fail.

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How often do Fox have to make X films before they lose the rights

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yeah, X3, XMO: Wolverine, Daredevil, etc. all sucked but Singer's first 2 X-Men films, The Wolverine, and First Class are all solid

in fact, i personally love those films more than anything Marvel has done

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