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Old 10-14-2013, 03:14 AM   #276
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I'm a little skeptical on SW's supporting cast. You'll have to enlighten me.
Her entire family.

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That's not even going into vision and his side of the family!

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Her entire family.

Magneto
Quicksilver
Wiccan
Polaris
Hulkling
Agatha hardness
The Salem seven
Doc strange if you want
That's not even going into vision and his side of the family!

That's "Agatha Harkness."
Agatha Hardness is a pornstar.

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Her entire family.

Magneto
Quicksilver
Wiccan
Polaris
Hulkling
Agatha hardness
The Salem seven
Doc strange if you want
That's not even going into vision and his side of the family!
Very few of those would qualify as supporting cast, imho. It's not like Iron Man is part of Captain America's supporting cast, y'know? Several of them are strongly linked to being other people's supporting cast at that. And specifically, I'm not sure a movie with Wiccan, Hulkling and Quicksilver as the supporting cast would make for a great Scarlet Witch movie. Something similar happened in Children's Crusade, but, part of the reason it worked was because Wanda wasn't there. She's definitely connected to a lot of superheroes though, that's without question, same is true of all the female team member Marvel heroines.

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Don't forget Vision and Wonder Man.

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Very few of those would qualify as supporting cast, imho. It's not like Iron Man is part of Captain America's supporting cast, y'know? Several of them are strongly linked to being other people's supporting cast at that. And specifically, I'm not sure a movie with Wiccan, Hulkling and Quicksilver as the supporting cast would make for a great Scarlet Witch movie. Something similar happened in Children's Crusade, but, part of the reason it worked was because Wanda wasn't there. She's definitely connected to a lot of superheroes though, that's without question, same is true of all the female team member Marvel heroines.
Nonsense. Cap and tony are friends but wanda is a part of one of the most dysfunctional family units in storytelling. They all define her in major ways and she them. They can't all be in a wanda movie because of legal reasons but there's more than enough for a great supporting cast!

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Nonsense. Cap and tony are friends but wanda is a part of one of the most dysfunctional family units in storytelling. They all define her in major ways and she them. They can't all be in a wanda movie because of legal reasons but there's more than enough for a great supporting cast!
Nah. Not only would most of those characters be 100% the same if Wanda never existed, but none of them are a part of her story, she is the one who supports their story, with the possible exception of old school Vision. Just because she's connected doesn't mean they support her, which is what supporting cast does. Wolverine is not part of Jubilee's supporting cast, it's the other way around. And we certainly wouldn't say all the people Wolverine is connected to are also part of Jubilee's supporting cast.

I'm not supposed to hammer this home, but take a good hard look at who you're left with without Fox, and tell me a Scarlet Witch story that uses those characters. It's not nearly as solid who as someone like Ms. Marvel who has things like coworkers, a therapist, old military contacts, a boyfriend, a hospitalized mentor, before we even get to the superhero's she's close with, and when we do, they are heroes who are arguably less notable than she is.

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Wanda and Pietro had Bova as their mid-wife, who was created by the High Evolutionary, who gave the Soul Gem to Adam Warlock, who knows the Guardians of the Galaxy.

Now is there a cohesive story in there's that's worthy of a solo Scarlett Witch film? I sure don't see one. And it doesn't even include Magneto.

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^Exactly. Though, truth be told, if I were doing a Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver movie, it would be a New Men/Inhumans thing with High Evolutionary as the main villain. It could be a cool little urban fantasy piece.

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A Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver film would be more like Disney's "Escape to Witch Mountain".

No thank you. I've seen it already.

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Assuming they decide to make a Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) movie, what do you expect the tone to be? Marvel has discussed how each film (or at least each franchise) has a unique tone: sci-fi, monster movie, science-fantasy, WWII, spy-thriller, space comedy, heist, etc... Would it be wrong to suggest that this film might end up being closer to a romantic drama (but still with lots of superhero action, of course)? It actually surprises me to suggest that, since I don't usually go for romances, but for Marvel, I'd make an exception. I think part of the tone also has to be constant tragedy, since it seems like Carol is always going through rough times, and managing to succeed despite them (though, to be fair, what hero doesn't).

Secondly, how do you think they should explain Carol's powers? She's apparently got a wide variety of powers, that have changed quite a bit through the years, and could even be seen as slightly overpowered. In addition, while her powers are often attributed to "hybrid Kree genetics" gained in a device explosion, Kree, to my knowledge, can't fly or absorb/project energy. Actually, the device that exploded (a "Psyche-Magnitron") was some kind of Kree technobabble "wishing well" that granted Carol's subconscious desire -- IMHO that seems a bit to wibbly-wobbly for the MCU. I also learned that originally her flight was attributed to her costume (again, created by the alien wishing-well machine): http://scifi.stackexchange.com/quest...-ms-marvel-fly. I think I read that the energy absorption & projection is actually a leftover power from being linked to a white whole, or something. And I understand that in the new series (which I have yet to read) there's time travel retconned into her origin as well. For that matter, even her regular unpowered self is a bit all-over-the-place: I believe she's been an Air Force pilot, a CIA agent, a NASA security guard, a novelist, and a journalist, even before becoming superpowered.

All of which is to say that her powers and origin is a bit of a mess, and could stand to be tidied up a bit for the MCU. One possibility I came up with is that the she essentially gets two sets of powers: one is genetics based and one is tech/artifact-based...

The device that alters her genetics could be some type of Kree "genetic manipulator". They could even say that the same type of device was previously used to create the Inhumans. As the result of becoming a Kree-hybrid, Carol would gain (Kree-level) superhuman strength, durability, endurance, and reflexes (as well as a resistance to poisons/toxins if it ever comes up).

The second power set would be based on alien technology, and would include energy absorption and projection, flight, and protection from the vacuum of space. While this could be done with a suit of Kree armor, that might make it too similar to Iron Man's suit. Instead, she could acquire a different device from Mar Vell that grants her these powers: the "Nega-Bands". Obviously, they can't call them that, since there's no Negative Zone in the MCU (it belongs to FF, I believe), and they wouldn't cause anyone to switch places. Instead, they could just call them Quantum Bands (if they don't plan on having Quasar), or Power Bands, or Kree War Bands, or something else entirely. The idea is that these unique items would have previously been awarded to Mar Vell for being a major war hero. Then when Mar Vell dies, he gives them to Carol. The catch is that they are "genetically locked" to only work with a Kree user. When her genes are manipulated into being hybrid Kree, it would allow her to use these bands. One possible downside to this is that this set of powers wouldn't inherently be hers.

In terms of a superhero name, early on as a pilot she could have the callsign "Warbird". Then, at the end, after she acquires Mar Vell's powers, someone asks if that makes her "Ms. Mar Vell". She thinks about it for a beat, and you might expect her to respond "Captain Marvel" but as a twist, she says, "No, I'm still Warbird." -- thus affirming her identity as distinct from her male counterpart, and subverting the usual trope.


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Interesting thoughts!

I would agree on the tone as a romantic drama, and would even post Mar-Vell and Carol as some sort of star crossed lovers. It is, interesting that the big female heroine would have a romantic drama, but it is the thing that is unique that most fits her. It can be done in an incredible way. The issue is, however, that Marvels films are known for their comedy... so then you have the idea of a romantic comedy. It almost brings one to shudder. That has to be dealt with on some level. Romantic Dramedy? And you also have to consider the fact that romantic dramas don't bring in the kiddies or sell toys.

I agree that things need to be tidied up a bit. I think her background can be simplified as Air Force intelligence and a part time writer, to fill out her character on a personal level. The idea of her new genetics enabling her tech-based powers is also very clean. I would downplay what her genetics do for her, exactly, it would come up incidentally and just have a vague super-soldier-like effect. The tech working for her and not anyone else except Mar-Vell is cool though, I was thinking along similar lines.

I believe Negabands is still in play though, seeing as how they're part of the character, I don't think the rights are so obtuse that they can use the character, but not the character's equipment. Now the Negative Zone might be only FF, but I'm sure Negabands are available, maybe you just can't say Negative Zone, like Scarlet Witch is available, but you can't say she's a mutant or who her daddy is.

Though I do agree that should be her powerset, with the idea that she can take this energy she absorbs and shoot it, or fly, or super strength or other stuff she hasn't figured out yet. That energy absorption limitation keeps her from fixing all the problems, so to speak.

I debate though, because I LOVE the suit of armor that Mar-Vell wears in recent adaptations. That as some kind of organic bio-armor would be sooooo hot. Of course, it wouldn't look the same, or be traditional on Carol, but I'd still love it. It's probably better to go closer to her current look though.

I wouldn't go back to Warbird for a million dollars though. Easter Egging it as her callsign is brilliant, but she's Captain Marvel for a reason. There's no take over the superhero guise trope in film to subvert regardless.

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Katee Sackhoff would definitely make an awesome Ms. Marvel. She's probably my top choice out of the names mentioned so far. Yvonne Stahovski would be good too although I think she might be better as Enchantress in Thor.

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Katee Sackhoff would definitely make an awesome Ms. Marvel. She's probably my top choice out of the names mentioned so far. Yvonne Stahovski would be good too although I think she might be better as Enchantress in Thor.
the more i see of Sackhoff, the more i think that she's almost too much like the comic book character. she's exactly the tomboy that Danvers is in a lot of her appearances. i'll be disappointed, if it's not her; at this point.

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Do the Nega-Bands have anything to do with the Negative Zone? Or is it just a coincidence of name?

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Nope, not a coincidence. Directly related.
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Do the Nega-Bands have anything to do with the Negative Zone? Or is it just a coincidence of name?
From what I've researched (I don't actually have the comics) the Nega-Bands are named after the Negative Zone, and are linked to it such that (1) they apparently derive their power from this region, and (2) they "swap" the places of an individual wearing them with another liked individual who is trapped in the Negative Zone. For example, Mar Vell was banished to this region, but when Rick Jones (who was psychically linked to Mar Vell) banged them together, they would trade places: Mar Vell would be free (for a limited amount of time) and Rick Jones would be temporarily trapped in the Negative Zone.

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I also found that the Nega bands were built by the Kree as a sort of imitation of the Quantum Bands. Which is why I suggested just using that name as a stand-in. To me, the name "nega-band" doesn't mean anything (and is rather confusing) without a "negative zone".

EDIT: ^ What Dr. Cosmic says, too.


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No, it's an alien abduction comedy. Firefox crashed before I could post what kind of movie this should be but Carol has never had one true stable love interest. The closest she ever came was with Spider-Man. I'd rather it be about Mar-Vell dying early on in the film and then Carol (having been exposed to terrigen mists) being sent into space to fight against the Kree Empire.

Also, she has an amazing sense of wit, occasional awkwardness and her stories are lighthearted enough that the film should be a comedy. Romantic drama is not at all what the character is about. It's about being thrust into all sorts of strange situations and having to wing it. This is a character who once fought a supervillain by throwing a cat at him.

Like Carol has no idea what a Kree or Inhuman is, much less terrigen mists. She just met an alien who dies before he can even explain things, finds out that she's never been a "real" human. Got sprayed with a substance that gives her super powers and is now fighting with a resistance movement led by the dead alien's sister Phylla who has an unrequitted crush on her and has no idea how to get back home. Oh, and Earth is about to be invaded since Inhumans are deemed a threat to the Kree. Carol is having oue REALLY, REALLY bad day and then to top it all off, she crashlands back on Earth with Magnitron and then gets hit by Stan Lee's car. Lee then dubs her Captain Marvel. Carol prefers Warbird. Then Carol finishes off Magnitron and Lee screams out loud to everyone, "hey look, I got saved by Captain Marvel!"

A publicist named Sarah Day comes up to her and says that she'll make her famous as Captain Marvel even after Carol is known and feared among the Kree as, "The Warbird."

The whole movie is Carol getting flustered and impatient at her circumstances and dropping sarcastic one-liners in response to crazy situations like Phylla telling her that, "open mouthed kissing is a simple sign of friendship among us Kree." This is why Carol works as a character. Doing a serious, dramatic film contradicts exactly why I'm a fan of the character. I mean, who else can be put in a scene like this:

Carol: Okay, so I'm here to let you know that one of you blue guys sent me here to be some sort of savior of all of you and I just learned that I have superpowers and I'm immune to these guys lasers, or plasma beams or whatever they're shooting at me.

Wraith: Zero point energy

Carol: Thank you. Anyway, I'm having a really bad day so if any of you resistance types already has a plan to stop this Magnitron guy so I can get back home, let me know because I think that your food here sucks and I just want to be able to eat sushi again.

Phylla: Actually, he's heading to your world right now. We know where his armada is taking off.

Carol: Cool, so if we get out of this alive, drinks are on me.

Wraith: Drinks of what?

Carol: Um, we drink stuff that makes us get silly... well, some of us get angry on it, but it's what we do for pleasure.

Phylla: Intoxicants are a waste of time and highly dangerous. No wonder your world hasn't conquered the galaxy yet.

Carol: I'm just going to forget I heard that. Now who wants to throw a revolution!?!

Crowd: (cheers)

Carol: Just don't make me queen or anything. I mean, I have a job as a pilot and I have to pay bills on earth and stuff so no more traveling the galaxy saving other worlds for me after this. You can always find a new savior, right?

Crowd: (sighs)

One member of the crowd: BUT YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!

Carol: Look, do you want to be free or not? I'm not good with speeces and stuff so let's roll out! Oscar Mike!

Crowd Mamber: Who's that?


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Carol: Wait, you can breathe in space too? I thought only I could do that!

Magnitron: The effects of the mists are unpredictable.

Carol: Well you wanted to see earth so badly, how about I bring you in for a crash landing?

and this

Wraith: Do you have any idea what that panel does?

Carol: Absolutely not. I just figured that hitting buttons in a language that I can't read will at least do something, right?

Speaker: (in Kree language with subtitles) Self Destruct sequence activated.

Carol: That's a good alarm, right?

Wraith: It means we need to head for the escape pods.

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Here's a question (which may not be answerable at this point): I've often seen "The Brood" mentioned as a possible enemy for Carol to face. Reading about them, they seem like more of a recurring X-Men villain. Would the MCU even have the rights to them?

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The truth is none of us really know. As far as I'm aware it's a little like defamation cases. It's not what it is so much as what people think it is. If people refer to it mainly in the x-universe than its part of the fox deal. If not than it's marvel. Some exclusions apply where they made a special deal (wanda and Pietro)

The brood would definitely be cool in the marvel u though

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The truth is none of us really know. As far as I'm aware it's a little like defamation cases. It's not what it is so much as what people think it is. If people refer to it mainly in the x-universe than its part of the fox deal. If not than it's marvel. Some exclusions apply where they made a special deal (wanda and Pietro)

The brood would definitely be cool in the marvel u though
That's what I figured the case would be. Apparently they were originally a Captain Marvel baddie, but then most of their appearances have been in the X-Men. But then Ms. Marvel was part of the X-Men during that time, and they were a big part of her story. So, who knows what the deal is.


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That's what I figured the case would be. Apparently they were originally a Captain Marvel baddie, but then most of their appearances have been in the X-Men. But then Ms. Marvel was part of the X-Men during that time, and they were a big part of her story. So, who knows what the deal is.

They'll probably settle this in court and the outcome is that both will be able to use them. I mean, the Brood for the most part are a bigger Captain Marvel threat than anything else but they're also tied to the X-Men and fit in with the Fantastic Four so we'll see.


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A romantic drama would be a new "tone" for a Marvel Movie Universe film, but I would hope that it doesn't concentrate too much on the possible romance between Captain Mar-Vell and Carol Danvers.

I expect it to be a mix of military and space with Carol Danvers as the audience surrogate. The closest film I can think of is "Contact" with Jodie Foster since that also had a romance storyline threaded through it, but I'm sure there would be a better film analogy.

As for powers, I would like to see Captain Marvel with super-strength, flight, super-durability and some kind of energy projection. As for how Captain Marvel obtains her powers, I like the idea of tying her origins into The Inhumans with her powers being derived from an updated/enhanced version of the Terrigen Mist. But, I'd still like to see Captain Mar-Vell/Walter Lawson somehow "sacrifice" himself in both saving Carol and granting her powers.

Perhaps they could be attacked by either Skrull, or more preferably anti-human Kree, and Captain Mar-Vell doses Carol with the Terrigen Mist as a last-ditch effort to save her life and give her a fighting chance against their enemy. Captain Mar-Vell then dies defending her while she undergoes her transformation?

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This would be my pick as well if she got her own film. But I don't think she will get her own film. She will appear in someone else's.

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