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Old 08-14-2013, 10:57 PM   #251
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A lot of comic characters gain power levels over time as they gain popularity. When they start out, they're usually reasonably powered for what they are, and that's where we are with the MCU.

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It's less a power issue and more of a lack of representation of said power in a very expansive way.

For Man of Steel for example they really went all out in terms of their god like power. The collateral damage was enormous and so was the display of said powers.

For this Thor film and possibly the next one they need to reach a nice middle ground where they do a better job of displaying those powers.

Thor's fight with Iron Man was pretty good I thought but I would like to see something more akin to MOS with Thor involved.

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I wonder if Thor will tie-in to Guardians of the Galaxy by making the Marauders one of Thanos's armies/personnel? That's what his group of pirates are called in Infinity, and I doubt that's a coincidence.

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I don't read a lot of comics but is Thor really that weak in the movies (compared to the comics), like as in his powers??
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Other than saying that I LOVED MOS and think that the action and VFX were beyond what I was expecting (Don't want to get into a debate on this) I have to say that I do want a better presentation of Thor's purely physical power and toughness on screen. Many a friend and family member I've talked to ARE under the impression Thor is "powered" by his hammer. They get the feeling that even if he's stronger than a human (or RDJ's Armor) that he's still not a Hulk level strength guy. Fans often like to use the frost giant battle as an example of MCU Thor's power. Yes it's impressive what the creators did there but it's still more a display of Thor's "power", not his physical strength. That wasn't a hammer blow that brought the ice shelf down, it was a big lightning barrage (the hammer is handle down when he brings it to the ground, an easter egg for sharp eyed viewers I suspect since KIRBY/LEE Thor used to call lightning that way in the early issues, by tapping the handle on the ground). Sure. he was swinging the hammer like it weighed nothing to him but again, it did not come across as his purely physical power, I think many audience members think it's the hammer.
Before I get the usual fan overreaction here ("Burn the non believer! Crush the follower of The Kryptonian!") know that A. I LOVED THOR. I's just a smidge under IM 1 in my mind. It's damned good considering the degree of difficulty inherent in bringing such a character to the big screen. B. I just want Thor as physically powerful as he can be presented on screen. I don't think either thing marks me as someone that "hates" the character or is belittling the MCU.

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I wonder how strong Thanos will be in terms of physical powers. Compared to Thor or Hulk, how strong is MCU Thanos gonna be?

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It's less a power issue and more of a lack of representation of said power in a very expansive way.

For Man of Steel for example they really went all out in terms of their god like power. The collateral damage was enormous and so was the display of said powers.

For this Thor film and possibly the next one they need to reach a nice middle ground where they do a better job of displaying those powers.

Thor's fight with Iron Man was pretty good I thought but I would like to see something more akin to MOS with Thor involved.
There was an understandable backlash after MOS because of said destruction, as well as the disregard for human life. I don't want to see any Marvel film go there and I don't think that Marvel does, either. When Thor fights Malekith and Kurse, hopefully that will be at least partially in Svartalfheim so they can really cut loose with their powers.

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There was an understandable backlash after MOS because of said destruction, as well as the disregard for human life. I don't want to see any Marvel film go there and I don't think that Marvel does, either. When Thor fights Malekith and Kurse, hopefully that will be at least partially in Svartalfheim so they can really cut loose with their powers.
Taylor did say that they destroy London. So i'm guess there will be a lot of death in the film. Like the footage showing the dark energy kill those people running away in the trailer.

What kills me is that they do the damage that was done in MOS in every comic all the time in the most epic battles. I mean If you think the loss of life was bad in MOS just imagine what Marvel is going to do when Thanos Shows up on Earth.

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Taylor did say that they destroy London. So i'm guess there will be a lot of death in the film. Like the footage showing the dark energy kill those people running away in the trailer.

What kills me is that they do the damage that was done in MOS in every comic all the time in the most epic battles. I mean If you think the loss of life was bad in MOS just imagine what Marvel is going to do when Thanos Shows up on Earth.
Just because something works in the comics, it doesn't mean it will work on live action From what Alan Taylor said, Thor's fight in London should be epic and things get f@*ked up. I just hope they don't as far as MOS did, destroying things just for the sake of it .You know, disaster porn

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Other than saying that I LOVED MOS and think that the action and VFX were beyond what I was expecting (Don't want to get into a debate on this) I have to say that I do want a better presentation of Thor's purely physical power and toughness on screen. Many a friend and family member I've talked to ARE under the impression Thor is "powered" by his hammer. They get the feeling that even if he's stronger than a human (or RDJ's Armor) that he's still not a Hulk level strength guy. Fans often like to use the frost giant battle as an example of MCU Thor's power. Yes it's impressive what the creators did there but it's still more a display of Thor's "power", not his physical strength. That wasn't a hammer blow that brought the ice shelf down, it was a big lightning barrage (the hammer is handle down when he brings it to the ground, an easter egg for sharp eyed viewers I suspect since KIRBY/LEE Thor used to call lightning that way in the early issues, by tapping the handle on the ground). Sure. he was swinging the hammer like it weighed nothing to him but again, it did not come across as his purely physical power, I think many audience members think it's the hammer.
Before I get the usual fan overreaction here ("Burn the non believer! Crush the follower of The Kryptonian!") know that A. I LOVED THOR. I's just a smidge under IM 1 in my mind. It's damned good considering the degree of difficulty inherent in bringing such a character to the big screen. B. I just want Thor as physically powerful as he can be presented on screen. I don't think either thing marks me as someone that "hates" the character or is belittling the MCU.
I guess you loved Supes fighting the machine with Hentai tentacles or him crashing the scout ship in the middle of Metropolis

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There was an understandable backlash after MOS because of said destruction, as well as the disregard for human life. I don't want to see any Marvel film go there and I don't think that Marvel does, either. When Thor fights Malekith and Kurse, hopefully that will be at least partially in Svartalfheim so they can really cut loose with their powers.
How in the world is it a disregard for human lives when these people are doing their best to stop the loss of human life?

It blows my mind. MoS gets in trouble because they actually made a huge alien threat viable? Isn't that what is suppose to happen? These villains don't want tea time. They want death.

The Avengers is ok because Loki brought the most ineffective army of all time?

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Just because something works in the comics, it doesn't mean it will work on live action From what Alan Taylor said, Thor's fight in London should be epic and things get f@*ked up. I just hope they don't as far as MOS did, destroying things just for the sake of it .You know, disaster porn
It is statements like this that show obvious bias or simply someone who didn't watch the film.

What is the point of Iron Man fighting on the freeway? Crashing into a somehow empty bus on the freeway? Why destroy the little town in Thor? Why have New York attacked in the Avengers? Why have Captain fight in the bloodiest war the world has ever seen? Why have the Hulk destroy Harlem in combat?

For the sake of it. Because these are action films based on comic book characters. And you know what happens in comics? Stuff gets blown up and lives are lost. People act like in MoS Superman and Zod just randomly start destroy stuff. Never happens. Everything is involved in their actual combat and progresses from there.

Food for thought. The Avengers could have ended the New York battle in under a minute if they just destroyed Tony's building. They didn't. Why? For the sake of an action sequence. Am I complaining? No.

If Thor is suppose to be so powerful, his villains need to be as if not more so. In that case, war happens. It will be bloody and destruction will happen. He commands lightning for Thor sake.

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I guess you loved Supes fighting the machine with Hentai tentacles or him crashing the scout ship in the middle of Metropolis
How do you know what hentai tentacles look like?

And if Superman didn't bring down the scout ship, uh Zod wins, Earth dies, all that jazz. Did you have a problem with the Avengers were crashing multiple space whales across New York? Crashing them into buildings and into subway stations? Did you complain then?

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I guess you loved Supes fighting the machine with Hentai tentacles or him crashing the scout ship in the middle of Metropolis
Let everyone note that the vast majority of my post was about Thor, and how I liked THOR and would just like a more definative representation of his physical strength.

There already exists places on SHHForums where you can post oh so intelligent smartass remarks about MOS. I don't think here's the place. MOS had been brought up by others. I said I liked it. If you simply must dismiss my taste becuase it somehow makes you feel superior or something, feel free to continue.

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I wonder how strong Thanos will be in terms of physical powers. Compared to Thor or Hulk, how strong is MCU Thanos gonna be?
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I actually do wonder about Thanos, mainly in comparison to Hulk and Drax.

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I hope Thanos is shown to be enough of a threat to warrant Thor and Hulk's full attention, so to speak. A three way dance between those in outerspace would be one hell of a show.

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Drax is stronger than the Hulk, if the Hulk doesn´t become ridiculously angry. It´s the MCU so Drax might be equal or even weaker.

Dude, Thor + Hulk + Draxs against Thanos would be awesome.

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How in the world is it a disregard for human lives when these people are doing their best to stop the loss of human life?

It blows my mind. MoS gets in trouble because they actually made a huge alien threat viable? Isn't that what is suppose to happen? These villains don't want tea time. They want death.

The Avengers is ok because Loki brought the most ineffective army of all time?


It is statements like this that show obvious bias or simply someone who didn't watch the film.

What is the point of Iron Man fighting on the freeway? Crashing into a somehow empty bus on the freeway? Why destroy the little town in Thor? Why have New York attacked in the Avengers? Why have Captain fight in the bloodiest war the world has ever seen? Why have the Hulk destroy Harlem in combat?

For the sake of it. Because these are action films based on comic book characters. And you know what happens in comics? Stuff gets blown up and lives are lost. People act like in MoS Superman and Zod just randomly start destroy stuff. Never happens. Everything is involved in their actual combat and progresses from there.

Food for thought. The Avengers could have ended the New York battle in under a minute if they just destroyed Tony's building. They didn't. Why? For the sake of an action sequence. Am I complaining? No.

If Thor is suppose to be so powerful, his villains need to be as if not more so. In that case, war happens. It will be bloody and destruction will happen. He commands lightning for Thor sake.
Because they're not stupid enough to take a whole building down, it would have caused more unnecessary destruction and if they took down Stark tower, it would kill more people The Avengers actually cared for the loss of life

The main thing they were concerned about was containing the alien invasion and closing the portal which they actually did Destroying Stark tower would have resulted in more deaths, you know like in MOS when Zod used his heat vision and caused a building to crash down into a street full of people

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Because they're not stupid enough to take a whole building down, it would have caused more unnecessary destruction and if they took down Stark tower, it would kill more people The Avengers actually cared for the loss of life

The main thing they were concerned about was containing the alien invasion and closing the portal which they actually did Destroying Stark tower would have resulted in more deaths, you know like in MOS when Zod used his heat vision and caused a building to crash down into a street full of people
If you must piss and moan about your dislike of MOS can't you do it in the proper thread(s)?
You can't have mistaken this thread for ones pertaining to Superman's films. Even an idiot like me, that LOVED MOS can tell the difference.

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How in the world is it a disregard for human lives when these people are doing their best to stop the loss of human life?

It blows my mind. MoS gets in trouble because they actually made a huge alien threat viable? Isn't that what is suppose to happen? These villains don't want tea time. They want death.

The Avengers is ok because Loki brought the most ineffective army of all time?

It is statements like this that show obvious bias or simply someone who didn't watch the film.

What is the point of Iron Man fighting on the freeway? Crashing into a somehow empty bus on the freeway? Why destroy the little town in Thor? Why have New York attacked in the Avengers? Why have Captain fight in the bloodiest war the world has ever seen? Why have the Hulk destroy Harlem in combat?

For the sake of it. Because these are action films based on comic book characters. And you know what happens in comics? Stuff gets blown up and lives are lost. People act like in MoS Superman and Zod just randomly start destroy stuff. Never happens. Everything is involved in their actual combat and progresses from there.

Food for thought. The Avengers could have ended the New York battle in under a minute if they just destroyed Tony's building. They didn't. Why? For the sake of an action sequence. Am I complaining? No.

If Thor is suppose to be so powerful, his villains need to be as if not more so. In that case, war happens. It will be bloody and destruction will happen. He commands lightning for Thor sake.
I did watch the film and I wasn't too fond of it It was good but it could have been better. It's my opinion and the action in the last 45 minutes of MOS was over-kill. Supes fighting that world machine, pppfffttt give me a break. That part could have been cut out completely.

My main problem with MOS was the destruction, it was over-kill.PERIOD! and before you start calling me biased, please consider that I'm not in the only one here who didn't like the destruction and over-kill action

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If you must piss and moan about your dislike of MOS can't you do it in the proper thread(s)?
You can't have mistaken this thread for ones pertaining to Superman's films. Even an idiot like me, that LOVED MOS can tell the difference.
Did i say I dislike MOS?I was dissapointed, the movie was good but I feel it could have been better. I rated MOS 8/10 despite how much I hate the entire 3rd act of that film, it still entertained me The first half started out good but then Snyder chose style over substance.

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d me The first half started out good but then Snyder chose style over substance.
Ooooookkkkaaay.... Still not getting why anyone has to read your pissing and moaning about the last 45min. of MOS in the a Thor thread. No one but you is pushing this as the central topic of conversation. The original post of mine you responded to has a couple of words saying "I liked MOS." The many, many words that followed are all about wanting to see a robust and physically powerful Thor in the MCU. Yoh keep wanting (baiting really) to debate the finer points of a non MCU related film.

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Guys, theres nothing controversial about disliking or being disappointed in MoS. Many many people (critics, smart people, dumb people, cb fans, non-cb fans, writers, artists) were dissatisfied for a multiple (imo) obvious reasons. Accept it and move on. At minimum, accept that most MCU fans arent interested in a Marvel film that has anything thats reminiscent of that movie, or of ANY Snyder movie. I also thought most of MoS was entertaining, it just happened to be a sub-par Superman movie and virtually humorless.

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