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MCU not always have best look but it not as bad as that video say.

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Man of Steel is top dog when it comes to muted colors.
Agreed. It so dull. Just like movie. They match.

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The color palette in Man of Steel is one of the biggest reasons for my dislike of that movie, even beyond its story problems. I just don't like looking at it. It looks like it was shot through a single Instagram filter and, worst of all, robbed Superman of his vibrancy. The suit looks great and colorful in person, but in the movie it looks cold and dull.

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Man, you guys are nuts, Man of Steel is a BEAUTIFULLY shot film, man. I mean, that scene where Cavill emerges from the Kryptonian ship in his costume for the first time in the arctic, hot damn. That is some pretty looking cinema right there and it really pops in 1080p Blu Ray quality. The opening sequence in Krypton, too, its a marvel to look at.

I'm so glad that guy made hat video, I could never explain it but he finally articulated why Marvel's movies have looked....off since Avengers. I could never really explain it or articulate it, but they just did not have that....MOVIE look to them and it always bothered me subconsciously. Now I know why.

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The color palette in Man of Steel is one of the biggest reasons for my dislike of that movie, even beyond its story problems. I just don't like looking at it. It looks like it was shot through a single Instagram filter and, worst of all, robbed Superman of his vibrancy. The suit looks great and colorful in person, but in the movie it looks cold and dull.
Yeah. I think the stuff in this video gives the hint that it could look a lot more appealing.
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I'll grant you the flying sequence. The best scene in the movie, no question. One of the few with a sense of warmth that felt like Superman.

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I'll grant you the flying sequence. The best scene in the movie, no question. One of the few with a sense of warmth that felt like Superman.
In my opinion it's the best moment of film from the DCEU. It's beautiful and sad at the same time. What could have been.

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The color palette in Man of Steel is one of the biggest reasons for my dislike of that movie, even beyond its story problems. I just don't like looking at it. It looks like it was shot through a single Instagram filter and, worst of all, robbed Superman of his vibrancy. The suit looks great and colorful in person, but in the movie it looks cold and dull.
I have zero issues with the color palette in that movie, watching the battle scene with Zod raised a few questions to mind

-That was Zod's first time using heat vision, and it was out of control and completely destroyed the empty office building Wally worked in. What did Kal-El destroy when he first experienced heat vision?

-Some attacks through buildings drop stories, while others merely make man sized holes, and that is in the same fight scene. Did they think things through?

-Gas truck slowly hitting a building and it explodes? Did they have Angry Birds physics in mind for that moment?

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I don't really think most of the things said in the video really apply to the Marvel movies. For example when he said that the movies shot on film look better, I'm sorry but IM2 and TIH look like ****. All the others range from good to even great except for The Avengers and TDW which were very inconsistent and Ant-Man which looked like a TV show.
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If you don't understand why TDK is great, you should reflect on your own lack of understanding rather than dismissing the overwhelming consensus as being due to secondary factors.

Sorry but what you're doing is among my pet peeves. You're lacking modesty. You're reminding me of the people who dismiss Mad Max and Star Wars.

No: if critics, audiences, industry leaders, box office, the passage of time, lasting iconography / pop culture impact are all in agreement, you should assume that there is a lot there that is in fact good. If you don't see it, you should work harder to see it as you might learn something important.

I do the same.
I do like TDK, but I'm not blind enough to disregard big flaws in movies I like. To take the first example; the opening scene is wonderful up until the end, when it gets downright facepalm worthy.

While I don't disagree that I lack modesty, as I don't think popularity/consensus has any bearing on quality in art (that's relevant for products, although TDK is of course a product, but that's not the aspect we're discussing), it's hilarious that you use that to accuse others in a negative way. You are certainly another poster that has written downright arrogant things on this forum, but as I don't want to be a hypocrite I don't blame you for it as I have done so as well.

Speaking of pet peeves, you're pretty much exemplifying one of my own, as that I just said that I'm surprised that people don't acknowledge the, at times, really poor writing (how can a movie that big forget which character says what to whom, that's mindbogglingly bad). I never said that TDK is a bad movie, only that it can be surpassed in quality (and I think it has, even by Nolan himself in the genre), and you get all fanboy defensive and act like I think everything in the movie is bad because I criticize one aspect.

Sensible people don't dismiss that the acting in Star Wars isn't great all the way through, etc. They can see it as a great piece of cinema anyway, although throwing that into a superhero movie discussion makes the CBM genre much smaller since nothing can compare to that. The only moderately comparable thing is the MCU, with it's effect on studios going for shared universes, but how large that effect will be remains to be seen and it's still not Star Wars level.

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I love the Man of Steel color palette. When I first saw the film, I had also recently seen Terrence Malick's The Tree of Life (a film about a family, particularly the relationship between a father and his son), and the two films shared a lot of similarities in terms of coloring and cinematography.

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Color grading issues are and always have been my main grip with digitally shot Marvel films.
Hopefully is gets sorted in the future with the use of new digital cameras (mainly the Red weapon 8K and the new Arri/IMAX camera on Infinity War), even if the whole problem is more of a postproduction bias than a "capture" issue. Guardians and to a lesser extent Strange were already a step in the right direction (even though in both films the daylight/exterior shots still looked rather flat).

And indeed, even though I didn't like Man of Steel there's no denying that it was a beautifuly shot movie (maybe aside from a few akward bits during the battle of Metropolis). Mokri's work is definitely one of the few highlights of the DCEU so far.

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The color palette in Man of Steel is one of the biggest reasons for my dislike of that movie, even beyond its story problems. I just don't like looking at it. It looks like it was shot through a single Instagram filter and, worst of all, robbed Superman of his vibrancy. The suit looks great and colorful in person, but in the movie it looks cold and dull.
Seconded. The only shots I really like were on Krypton.

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At this point I think the rankings of comic book movie studios for this year should be this:

1. Marvel (2 hits)

2. Fox (1 hit and 1 dud)

3. DC/WB (2 duds).

A pretty mixed bag this year:

3 good movies: Deadpool, Dr. Strange and Civil War.

3 bad movies: Batman v Superman, X-Men Apocalypse and Suicide Squad.

Marvel is still doing a great job, Fox has balance of hits and misses, while DC/WB has not done anything well since Nolan left. Man of Steel was okay, but its only at Iron Man 2/Iron Man 3 level, it doesn't hit the highs of the MCU and everything else in the DCUE is garbage.


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I think it's always hard with a pass/fail system when you have those movies around the middle. I'd wouldn't necessarily lump Apocalypse with DP, DS or CW but I wouldn't put it with BvS or SS either.

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At this point I think the rankings of comic book movie studios for this year should be this:

1. Marvel (2 hits)

2. Fox (1 hit and 1 dud)

3. DC/WB (2 duds).

A pretty mixed bag this year:

3 good movies: Deadpool, Dr. Strange and Civil War.

3 bad movies: Batman v Superman, X-Men Apocalypse and Suicide Squad.

Marvel is still doing a great job, Fox has balance of hits and misses, while DC/WB has not done anything well since Nolan left. Man of Steel was okay, but its only at Iron Man 2/Iron Man 3 level, it doesn't hit the highs of the MCU and everything else in the DCUE is garbage.
As much as it pains me to write that Suicide Squad is a hit for WB. Nearing 750M ww (without China) on a 175M pb is a success. Plain and simple.
Even if WB overspent on marketing,reshoots and putting together the extended cut (which they probably did) that was a successful run.

Edit: Nevermind, I realized you weren't strictly talking about box office.

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Suicide Squad's success is a bummer.

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I think it's always hard with a pass/fail system when you have those movies around the middle. I'd wouldn't necessarily lump Apocalypse with DP, DS or CW but I wouldn't put it with BvS or SS either.
Fair enough, I think its a mild dud, not a major one like BvS or SS, but its not that much better then Dark World or Iron Man 2. It does cement Fox being the middle of the pack this year, they didn't release anything God awful like Fan4stic.

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Suicide Squad being a critical flop but being a box office success tells the studio one thing: "these audiences will eat up anything. Why should we strive to do better?"

Although it will hurt them in the long run for sure.

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The success of Suicide Squad reminds me of classics like Green Hornet and from last decade, movies I honestly and shamelessly like.

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That color grading video is very enlightening, I could never put my finger on why Marvel's film's don't look as cinematic as DC's or even Fox or Sony's Marvel films.

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The success of Suicide Squad reminds me of classics like Green Hornet and from last decade, movies I honestly and shamelessly like.
I liked them too. GH was some weird, campy ride. It's not the movie I'd like to see every time I fork over my dough to see a movie, but neither is any other movie. It's like having pizza for dinner every night (I would have said Mexican food, but I'd be okay with that....).

The first FF (Fox....not that weird one from ages ago) I liked. I loved Chris Evans. He had all the best lines. Yeah, I know it wasn't considered a "good" movie, but it was an early effort and I was fine with it. While a little more overt than in the CB, the relationship between Johhny and Ben was amusing.

The second FF I liked less, but I would have gone to the 3rd installment.....if it wasn't the recent reboot....

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We shouldn't be reasoning in terms of cinematic vs TV aesthetics.
The debate is really between Marvel's naturalistic approach vs the more enhanced/colourful look the genre more commonly calls for.

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As much as I ****ing love The Avengers, I think it's one of Marvel's blandest/TV looking films, up there with the first Thor. It's all very simply shot and some of the aesthetic choices they made in that movie are so confusing to me.

Like.. Cap's costume (what were they thinking with that one?) and the Helicarrier sets. A lot of it just looked fake. It was kind of boring to look at, I'm not gonna lie.

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