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Old 01-07-2014, 09:49 PM   #426
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"Evil version of Batman!" LOL! I know some haters of the Burton batfilms that believe that statement.

West, Romero, and Newmar all seemed bitter in that vid. B89 was a reality check for West that his "schtick" as Batman was OVER. And that Batman had changed with the times. He really needed to get over the fact that TPTB made a Batman movie without him as the title character. I guess he was also irked that Robin wasn't in there, Keaton had a cooler car and suit, and didn't do the "Batusi", or have a rubber shark sucking his leg, etc. Can't imagine how they'd react to the Nolan Trilogy? At that time Batman had changed so much in the comics from the 60s that it was time for the movies to reflect that. And Batman has continued to evolve both in the comics and TDKT.

And to be fair Nicholson was guilty of having a similar attitude toward Ledger's Joker.
Yeah, but Nicholson barely knew what was TDK about. He talked about it as a "sequel" the whole time. He really believed that and thus he was "furious" (even when he laughs at the moment of saying it) because he really thought it was a sequel. He even talked about how Burton's touch was lost. It struck me as he still thought TDK was following Burton.

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The Joker still retains much in common with B89's. His most recent appearances in the comics are clearly intended to be incidental. Ledger's Joker was also, physically, rather atypical.

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Old 01-08-2014, 09:37 AM   #428
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Oh no doubt. Without him, we probably would have gotten the Riddler in Batman Returns.
Hmm... A Burton Riddler?



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The Joker still retains much in common with B89's. His most recent appearances in the comics are clearly intended to be incidental. Ledger's Joker was also, physically, rather atypical.
Ledger was closer to The Joker physically than Nicholson. Sadly, Nicholson had a little middle aged spread going on.

Ledger may have been a little too buff, but he still gave off that gangly vibe at times.

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Ledger's Joker was wearing face paint, had a cut up mouth, the same barber as Danny Devito's Penguin etc. Those are atypical stylistic elements for the character. That's what I was getting at.

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I'm still not a huge fan of Ledger's/Nolan's Joker.

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I love both Ledger's Joker and Jack's Joker equally, I used to feel the same about Bale and Keaton's Batman portrayals but over time I think I realized Keaton will always be my favorite with Bale being a very close second.

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"Evil version of Batman!" LOL! I know some haters of the Burton batfilms that believe that statement.

West, Romero, and Newmar all seemed bitter in that vid. B89 was a reality check for West that his "schtick" as Batman was OVER. And that Batman had changed with the times. He really needed to get over the fact that TPTB made a Batman movie without him as the title character. I guess he was also irked that Robin wasn't in there, Keaton had a cooler car and suit, and didn't do the "Batusi", or have a rubber shark sucking his leg, etc. Can't imagine how they'd react to the Nolan Trilogy? At that time Batman had changed so much in the comics from the 60s that it was time for the movies to reflect that. And Batman has continued to evolve both in the comics and TDKT.

And to be fair Nicholson was guilty of having a similar attitude toward Ledger's Joker.
Not only that, it was as if these guys weren't aware of Batman's roots. Which a lot of Batman 89' was based.

Nothing bugs me more than close-minded people. Especially close-minded old people. That's both West and Nicholson unfortunately.

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Ledger's Joker was wearing face paint, had a cut up mouth, the same barber as Danny Devito's Penguin etc. Those are atypical stylistic elements for the character. That's what I was getting at.
Oh I know that... I was simply referring to his physique.

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I'm still not a huge fan of Ledger's/Nolan's Joker.
I am a fan of it, but see it as something different. Thankfully, we seem to be beyond the stage of wilful blindness to its differences from the comic book original.

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Burgess is awesome. He is probably the single most significant factor in making The Penguin an A lister.
Penguin was already an A lister before the 60's show. He and the Joker were Batman's top enemies back then in the comics.

Burgess did make Penguin an icon though. That whole show made icons out of many Batman characters.

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Penguin was already an A lister before the 60's show. He and the Joker were Batman's top enemies back then in the comics.

Burgess did make Penguin an icon though. That whole show made icons out of many Batman characters.
I understand the Riddler was not very famous until the 1966 TV series - and Frank Gorshin of course - made him.

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I think Catwoman and The Riddler benefitted the most from the series, in terms of awareness and increased popularity.

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And Two Face probably suffered the most.

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And Two Face probably suffered the most.
Of course he did. He wasn't popular enough and BF didn't help either He was just Joker wannabe. Outside comics or animated series (BTAS) nobody took him seriously.

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I know this is off topic but I really don't recall John Astin playing The Riddler, maybe an episode or two that I missed I guess.

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I understand the Riddler was not very famous until the 1966 TV series - and Frank Gorshin of course - made him.
Oh yes. He was just a villain who had been in like two comic books before the 60's show. Frank Gorshin's portrayal turned him into one of the big time villains.

Pfeiffer-Fan is right about Catwoman. She had been out of the loop in the comics for years, and the show brought her back into the limelight as a regular villain again.

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I know this is off topic but I really don't recall John Astin playing The Riddler, maybe an episode or two that I missed I guess.
He was in one two part episode in the second season.

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Its amazing how that show is pretty much responsible for making Batman truly iconic.

And then B89 cemented that status.

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Its amazing how that show is pretty much responsible for making Batman truly iconic.

And then B89 cemented that status.
Which is why it bugs me when people/Batfans write off the show as little more than crap, and that it's often compared or linked with the Batman & Robin movie. The show was a reflection of the times and a specific era of comic books, whereas B&R is a product of studio interference and toy-driven marketing.

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It bugs me too. It seems like the criticism mainly comes from teenage Bat fans who only read Frank Miller and other grimdark Batman books.

The funny thing is, that show is still the most comic book accurate version of Batman in live action. And its also hilarious satire that goes over most people's heads. The performances, especially from the Big 4 are especially awesome.

Time to bump the 66' TV show thread, lol

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Yes, and the 60s show actually did camp in a fun and frequently amusing way. BR missed that mark by a mile.

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It annoys me too. It seems like the criticism mainly comes from teenage Bat fans who only read Frank Miller and other grimdark Batman books.

The funny thing is, that show is still the most comic book accurate version of Batman in live action. And its also hilarious satire that goes over most people's heads.
Visually and tonally, I doubt we'll ever see a live-action Batman interpretation that is as comic-accurate as the 66 TV show was. At this point, so many artists and writers have touched the character over nearly a century of comics that the very definition of Batman has becomes blurred in the eyes of his legion of fans.

I would love to see a Batman film that is specifically adapted from a particular run in the comics, or a graphic novel collection. Imagine if a run like "Hush" was strictly adapted as it is to the screen, in the same vein Watchmen was. That would take comic accurate to a whole new level for Batman.

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I still don't know why another live action Batman show was never made. They make shows in his world, but never about him. I'm sorry, I don't give a flying F--K about a Gotham show without Batman in it. Gordon is a cool cat, but what in the hell is the point?

Batman is one of the only iconic superheroes that can really work in television and yet Superman gets 3 major live action shows dedicated to him, but Batman gets one that most either don't know about or will never watch.

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