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Old 06-13-2006, 07:55 PM   #1
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Default Max Fleischer Superman or Bruce Timm Superman, which do you prefer?

Like the title says, in terms of animation and what not, which do you prefer - the Max Fleischer Superman or the Bruce Timm Superman?

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Old 06-13-2006, 07:55 PM   #2
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I prefer the Fleischer version every time

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Old 06-14-2006, 12:37 AM   #3
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Bruce Timm Superman all the way, Still I love the Fleischer version as well .

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Old 06-15-2006, 10:15 AM   #4
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Bruce timm's design for supes, but Fleischer's animation

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Old 06-27-2012, 04:53 AM   #5
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June 26, 2012: Did You Know? Karol Krauser was Fleischer's Superman Model
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It has been well documented that when Paramount Pictures approached Fleischer Studios about producing a series of animated shorts dedicated to Superman they were less than enthusiastic about taking on the project, quoting a figure of $100,000 per episode (four times the going rate of the time), thinking the price would be too high for Paramount to accept and that would be the end of that. However Paramount said, "Okay, go ahead" and the rest (as they say) is history.

While the Fleischer Superman would obviously be based on the character drawn by Joe Shuster as seen in "Action Comics" and "Superman" comic books, they employed a technique known as "Rotoscoping" in which real-life figures were traced in ink, frame by frame, making the animated figures more believable.

Whether he was used in this fashion or not is unknown, but professional wrestler Karol Krauser was used as the male model by the Fleischers to aid in their portrayal of Superman for the animated shorts.

Born August 24, 1912 in Hollyoke, MA, Karol is best known as one of the Kalmikoff Brothers, Mad Russians, in the wrestling world of the 1950s and 1960s. In 1939 or 1940 Krauser modeled for the Fleischer Studios in Florida for the Superman animated shorts.

Interestingly, Stan Laurel (from Laurel and Hardy) was best man at his Krauser's wedding.

Karuser died of a heart attack immediately following his wrestling match in Salt Lake City on September 12, 1964.

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Old 06-27-2012, 05:49 PM   #6
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I will say of Timm's designs, I prefer TAS as opposed to JLU. I'm just not a fan of the super cheek bones of JLU.

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Old 06-27-2012, 10:45 PM   #7
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Bruce Timms. Fleischer was good for it's time though.

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Old 06-28-2012, 12:56 AM   #8
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the Fleischer Superman cartoons all the way... Bruce Timm wimpified Superman to a new level purposefully.

the Fleischer cartoons will always be timeless, and no other superman cartoon has even come close to matching the animation level that the Fleischer cartoons had.

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Old 06-28-2012, 01:05 PM   #9
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I have to go with Fleischer while Timm's Superman was great they really did a diservice to him in JL with his cheekbones and weakining him which only improved in the 2nd season to JLU. Fleischer Superman was the classic hero.

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Old 06-28-2012, 08:39 PM   #10
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Fleischer's Superman was all thriller no filler. Add to that Bud Collyer's voice (Who I think is the definitive Superman voice) and you have the definitive hero

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Old 07-03-2012, 10:41 PM   #11
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Fleischer by a mile.

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Old 07-04-2012, 12:28 AM   #12
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Fleischer all the way.

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Old 07-16-2012, 04:49 PM   #13
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In terms of animation and style, Fleischer wins for me. But overall I prefer STAS, mostly because the format allows for more characterization, story and drama, which is a big key for me and my love for Superman and his world.

Both are great at what they do though.

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Fleischer.

WB needs to get Superman shorts back in theatres.

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Old 07-22-2012, 03:03 PM   #15
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I love Timm's work. That's not to say the Fleischer ones aren't great in their own way, but Timm has reallly pushed the envelope and brought DCAU to the forefront of exciting cartoons and cartoon drama.

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Bruce timm's design for supes, but Fleischer's animation
This.
I would have loved it if Bruce Timm's original idea to have Superman: TAS resemble the Fleischer cartoons came to fruition.
I've seen the concept art before, but can't find it

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Old 07-23-2012, 11:59 AM   #17
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In terms of animation and style, Fleischer wins for me. But overall I prefer STAS, mostly because the format allows for more characterization, story and drama, which is a big key for me and my love for Superman and his world.

Both are great at what they do though.
Agreed. 7 - 10 minute shorts vs 22+ minute episodes isn't exactly fair now is it?
Plus the wealth of characters DC had at their disposal too.
Think I'm in the minority of people who prefers S:TAS to B:TAS

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Old 07-24-2012, 09:55 PM   #18
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Absolutely the Fleischer cartoons. That was my introduction to the character. I was 3 or 4 and watching the Mummy Strikes and I can distinctly remember being afraid when they showed the mummies, but as soon as Superman came on screen I felt safe. The animation is miles ahead of it's time and still looks better to me. Really classic, pure stories as well. Nothing against Bruce Timm version either though. I love those so much as well.

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Fleischer Superman all the way.

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Fleischer.

He's a more raw, intense, pure version of the character, all in all.

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Old 08-11-2012, 09:45 PM   #21
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Old 08-17-2012, 04:18 AM   #22
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Like the title says, in terms of animation and what not, which do you prefer - the Max Fleischer Superman or the Bruce Timm Superman?
It's not a good idea to compare both. It's like comparing Bob Kane's Batman to Chris Nolan's. One is at the beginning, the other at the end, meaning : one deals with all the mythology, while the other still has to build it.
The Fleisher cartoons are the best, they are great, and the animation is stunning and beautiful, they are piece of art. But the Timm's Superman Tas is the best superman adaptation of all time IMO. the bad guys are actually here, the plots are solid and well developped, they carefully avoid some clichés while understanding what Superman was. The character is much more complex than he was in 1938, so the work is better, harder. For me both cartoons are compelling and clever.


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Old 08-24-2012, 10:02 AM   #23
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In terms of animation and style, Fleischer wins for me. But overall I prefer STAS, mostly because the format allows for more characterization, story and drama, which is a big key for me and my love for Superman and his world.

Both are great at what they do though.
Agree on all points. Timm has built in advantage of longer episodes to work with, which does nothing to diminish his standing in my eyes. I'll give the slight nod to Timm.

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Old 08-25-2012, 01:35 PM   #24
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Max Fleischer, but maybe only because I grew up loving that version and remember watching them at the Cartoon Museum when it was located in Rye, New York.

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Old 09-17-2012, 01:59 PM   #25
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Oh this isn't fair at all, I love them both but I suppose I would watch Superman TAS more.

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