The SuperHeroHype Forums  

Go Back   The SuperHeroHype Forums > Spider-Man > The Amazing Spider-Man 2

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-03-2013, 03:19 PM   #76
Spideyfan117
Yo When's Mahvel!?
 
Spideyfan117's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 2,245
Default Re: Venom

Quote:
Originally Posted by pr0xyt0xin View Post
How about using a dog as an example. Naturally aggressive dog = evil?

Is a wild animal evil? Are silverback gorillas evil? Hungry lions?
Precisely. I used that exact example in one of my posts. Aggression and Evil are not synonymous.

Spideyfan117 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2013, 03:30 PM   #77
Oscorp
Side-Kick
 
Oscorp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 8,528
Default Re: Venom

I think, while not evil, Doc Ock was clearly mentally unstable prior to the accident. The accident was, however, the trigger. It's the same way with most mental illnesses that you carry it for long with some signs of it now and then, until there's a trigger that surfaces it entirely.

I am aware of the fact that the accident damaged his brain, so I'm not arguing that. I still think the A.I. chip is a bad way to interprete that though, and I'm still very disappointed that they went with that. The same way I'm disappointed that he didn't feel like a "Masterplanner". Also the same way I'm disappointed we didn't get to see Connor's family in ASM, or Lizard not being feral enough.

And yes, you can be mentally and emotionally unstable while still being a great scientist.

Oscorp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2013, 03:39 PM   #78
Spideyfan117
Yo When's Mahvel!?
 
Spideyfan117's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 2,245
Default Re: Venom

I share your disappointment (on all counts) to an extent, Oscorp. I think Molina and Ifans were both great in their roles, but there was something lacking from their overall stories that could have made them more interesting.

Spideyfan117 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2013, 03:44 PM   #79
Oscorp
Side-Kick
 
Oscorp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 8,528
Default Re: Venom

Molina was perfect as Doc Ock. Ifans wasn't perfect, but good enough. IMO, of course.

Oscorp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2013, 04:12 PM   #80
JOE
____#BringHomeSpidey____
 
JOE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 6,303
Default Re: Venom

I agree with this. ^

He was perfect for the Doc Ock they portrayed. Had they added some more depth to him it would have been different.

__________________
#BringHomeSpidey

"You see... Madness, as you know, is like gravity. All you need is a little push!"


"If you make yourself more than just an avatar, if you devote yourself to an ideal, you become something else entirely... A legend, Mr. Kane52630"

@JoeJoeJoeUrBoat
JOE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2013, 04:21 PM   #81
Spideyfan117
Yo When's Mahvel!?
 
Spideyfan117's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 2,245
Default Re: Venom

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscorp View Post
Molina was perfect as Doc Ock. Ifans wasn't perfect, but good enough. IMO, of course.


I wouldn't say perfect (in my opinion there's always room for improvement or change, even for fan favorites like RDJ, Hugh Jackman, and JK Simmons). But he gave one hell of a performance. Hard to think of a better actor for the role. I think the writing just made for some missed opportunities for Doc Ock. He really shines in the middle of the movie when he's truly a villain. But, in the beginning of the movie, he was presented as an average, albeit brilliant, man. I would have liked to see some of those bouts of aggression or anguish that were part of Otto's personality before going mad. But, again, that's not Molina's fault. I have every confidence he could have pulled it off had Raimi and co. decided to go that direction.

Spideyfan117 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2013, 04:45 PM   #82
The Joker
Clown Prince of Crime
 
The Joker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Jollity Farm
Posts: 37,945
Default Re: Venom

Even with some of the changes Molina's Doc Ock was quite loyal in many ways to the comics: http://molinaock.blogspot.ie/

__________________
"Sometimes I remember it one way. Sometimes another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"

- The Joker
The Joker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2013, 05:03 PM   #83
Green Goblin
The Nostalga Strikes Back
 
Green Goblin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 5,125
Default Re: Venom

This is a thread about Venom but we are talking about Ock.

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlesConceptz View Post
Im done. Im leaving this website. I promise i will not be spiderman or attempt to be. I have a ral careerr to fulfill. Please don NOT tell anyone about this. I would appreciate if you all kept this a secret.
There has been an awakening, have you felt it?
Green Goblin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2013, 05:11 PM   #84
The Joker
Clown Prince of Crime
 
The Joker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Jollity Farm
Posts: 37,945
Default Re: Venom

He makes for a more interesting discussion than Venom.

__________________
"Sometimes I remember it one way. Sometimes another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"

- The Joker
The Joker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2013, 06:07 PM   #85
Green Goblin
The Nostalga Strikes Back
 
Green Goblin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 5,125
Default Re: Venom

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Joker View Post
He makes for a more interesting discussion than Venom.
Yea but this is a Venom thread. There is a Doc Ock thread.

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlesConceptz View Post
Im done. Im leaving this website. I promise i will not be spiderman or attempt to be. I have a ral careerr to fulfill. Please don NOT tell anyone about this. I would appreciate if you all kept this a secret.
There has been an awakening, have you felt it?
Green Goblin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2013, 06:10 PM   #86
SpeterMan3
Formerly SpeterMan3
 
SpeterMan3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: DubC
Posts: 3,064
Default Re: Venom

Quote:
Originally Posted by RedBlueWonder View Post
This is a thread about Venom but we are talking about Ock.
Well, we're talking about Venom in the Ock thread, so....

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

__________________
SpeterMan3
A Member of Raimi's "Spider-Man Trilogy" Fans
MJJ

SpeterMan3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2013, 06:22 PM   #87
pr0xyt0xin
Shaper Savant
 
pr0xyt0xin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: United States
Posts: 5,089
Default Re: Venom

Quote:
Originally Posted by SpeterMan3 View Post
Well, we're talking about Venom in the Ock thread, so....

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
actually carnage lol :P

pr0xyt0xin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2013, 06:25 PM   #88
SpeterMan3
Formerly SpeterMan3
 
SpeterMan3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: DubC
Posts: 3,064
Default Re: Venom

Quote:
Originally Posted by pr0xyt0xin View Post
actually carnage lol :P
Eh, fine, Venom's red-symbioted stepchild.

__________________
SpeterMan3
A Member of Raimi's "Spider-Man Trilogy" Fans
MJJ

SpeterMan3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2013, 06:54 PM   #89
Picard Sisko
Prepare to be Assimilated
 
Picard Sisko's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 17,948
Default Re: Venom

Why don't we compromise and talk about... Monster Ock?


__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Parker
"No matter how small I am--no matter how hopeless everything seems--I mustn't give up! My size doesn't matter! Even my life doesn't matter! No one can win--every battle, but--no man should fall-- without a struggle!"
Avatar by SpideyK.
Picard Sisko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2013, 08:36 PM   #90
I'm Venom
Anti-Hero
 
I'm Venom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Burlington, NC
Posts: 1,580
Default Re: Venom

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Joker
He makes for a more interesting discussion than Venom.
Did Doc Ock ever have his own comic book?

I'm Venom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2013, 11:06 PM   #91
Picard Sisko
Prepare to be Assimilated
 
Picard Sisko's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 17,948
Default Re: Venom

Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm Venom View Post
Did Doc Ock ever have his own comic book?
Superior Spider-Man... that sorta counts

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Parker
"No matter how small I am--no matter how hopeless everything seems--I mustn't give up! My size doesn't matter! Even my life doesn't matter! No one can win--every battle, but--no man should fall-- without a struggle!"
Avatar by SpideyK.
Picard Sisko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 12:47 AM   #92
The Joker
Clown Prince of Crime
 
The Joker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Jollity Farm
Posts: 37,945
Default Re: Venom

Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm Venom View Post
Did Doc Ock ever have his own comic book?
Superior Spider-Man.

__________________
"Sometimes I remember it one way. Sometimes another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"

- The Joker
The Joker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 12:50 AM   #93
I'm Venom
Anti-Hero
 
I'm Venom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Burlington, NC
Posts: 1,580
Default Re: Venom

They have a villain like Shocker that can do a lot of damage and serve as the movie’s opening piece. It could start off with the spaceship crashing and him finding the suit while building up Brock’s character and hatred for Peter/Spider-Man, then at the end have the symbiote crawl onto him, then end it.

I'm Venom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 01:23 AM   #94
chaseter
Bland User
 
chaseter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Denver
Posts: 43,116
Default Re: Venom

Quote:
Originally Posted by pr0xyt0xin View Post
How about using a dog as an example. Naturally aggressive dog = evil?

Is a wild animal evil? Are silverback gorillas evil? Hungry lions?
Great analogy.

__________________
"You can leave a penny, you can't take a penny. You can leave a penny anytime. You have to spend $10 to take a penny. Store policy."
"Since when has this been store policy?"
"Uh, since my boss made up the policy. You gonna pay? You're holding up my line of one other person. You can't afford your milk, step aside. What, daddy didn't give you enough milk money? Little baby gonna cry about it? Just step aside."
And that is how Uncle Ben dies.
chaseter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 01:31 AM   #95
pr0xyt0xin
Shaper Savant
 
pr0xyt0xin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: United States
Posts: 5,089
Default Re: Venom

Quote:
Originally Posted by chaseter View Post
Great analogy.
:handshake:

pr0xyt0xin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 08:53 AM   #96
JOE
____#BringHomeSpidey____
 
JOE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 6,303
Default Re: Venom

I read that sarcastically...

__________________
#BringHomeSpidey

"You see... Madness, as you know, is like gravity. All you need is a little push!"


"If you make yourself more than just an avatar, if you devote yourself to an ideal, you become something else entirely... A legend, Mr. Kane52630"

@JoeJoeJoeUrBoat
JOE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 12:36 PM   #97
pr0xyt0xin
Shaper Savant
 
pr0xyt0xin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: United States
Posts: 5,089
Default Re: Venom

I gave him the benefit of the *******-doubt

pr0xyt0xin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 01:51 PM   #98
ETGuy
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Oxford, England
Posts: 147
Default Re: Venom

Quote:
Originally Posted by droidwarrior View Post
I want Agent Venom.

Send Flash off to War in ASM2 and introduce the symbiote during ASM3 when he gets it from saving a crashing space shutte.

Have Peter grapple with the suit in ASM3 and hand it ver to a friendly scientist at the end, have the Goverment confiscate it and give it to Flash after he returns a hero with no legs in the ASM3 after credits.

Have an Agent Venom movie for ASM4 or set it during the same time. Have Flash lose control and battle Spidey then master the symbiote and continue
I also really want a Flash Thompson/Venom movie. So sad that his ongoing is ending, just as Bunn was starting to write good arcs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderdevil View Post
That looks good except that he shouldn't turn rogue
He could lose control temporarily as he did when fighting Spidey in #4 of Remender's series.

ETGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 01:58 PM   #99
GuestStar2004
Side-Kick
 
GuestStar2004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 10,081
Default Re: Venom

Sadly this franchise being a reboot means that there are alot of people that basically get guidance from raimis movies about how spider-man should be

*andrew garfield isn't peter parket only tobey maguire is
*spider-man should have organic web shooters
*spider-man shouldn't be funny and mock villians

So i can only imagine the uproar is flash was venom

__________________
A Guest star on this Forum Since 2004
GuestStar2004 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 05:25 PM   #100
I'm Venom
Anti-Hero
 
I'm Venom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Burlington, NC
Posts: 1,580
Default Re: Venom

Quote:
Originally Posted by ETGuy
I also really want a Flash Thompson/Venom movie. So sad that his ongoing is ending, just as Bunn was starting to write good arcs.
Zylka as Venom? That's a bit weird, no and no thanks. The whole angle won't be able to cut it. At least not in my opinion.

Brock is the true Venom. Wish this guy had a little mercy from the writers. First he's Venom, goes through cancer, then he's Antivenom, and suddenly he's Toxin.

I'm Venom is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:23 PM.

monitoring_string = "dee460792f24517621e3ca080805de7e"
Contact Us - Mobile - SuperHeroHype - ComingSoon.net - Shock Till You Drop - Lost Password - Clear Cookies - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Top - AdChoices


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SuperHeroHype.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.