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People say it will pick up when trailers turn up. But it picks up for a little while and is completely dead again! Meanwhile other threads are active with no news at all. It's a team film too with a totally new villain, 3 new members, 6 returning members..plenty to talk about.

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ok lets talk! I'm hyped for the vision but something tells me he will only get around 10 minutes of screen time. Bettany said he earns the Avenger's trust in a very surprising and touching way. Been trying to figure that out.

Personally I'm excited about a lot of things. I'm curious as to what joss has planned for Clint. In that recent interview, he said "somethings going on with that boy, that's all I'm going to say". Put this statement together with Jeremy at comic con saying that hawkeye has a few secrets to be revealed, and my brain goes into overload trying to figure out what it could be. I'm also trying to figure out his link to the twins..since we have seen him in multiple set photos with Wanda. Even more so than Pietro. He has also been seen wearing two different uniforms on 2 different sets while Wanda is still wearing the same one. Weird. Would really like for the audience to warm up to hawkeye and hoping this movie can do for him what TWS did for Cap.

Baron Von Strucker is a character I'm hoping pops up again. Though honestly at this point I would not know where they would fit him. It would be a shame for him to just feature for the first 15 minutes and goes to jail, never to be heard from again. Civil War unfortunately seems to crowded though..so I dont think we will see him for quite awhile.

I'm concerned Whedon will make Age of Ultron too Stark-centric again and honestly my patience for Tony is wearing thin.

Also pondering whether we will get goofy boy scout Cap(Whedon) or commanding leader Cap(Russos).
Lastly I'm wondering about that scene with Ultron and the Twins standing in what looks to be the rubble of a Hydra base.

There lol. Feel free to pick and choose anything from my thoughts to piggy back off of.


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ok lets talk! I'm hyped for the vision but something tells me he will only get around 10 minutes of screen time. Bettany said he earns the Avenger's trust in a very surprising and touching way. Been trying to figure that out.

Personally I'm excited about a lot of things. I'm curious as to what joss has planned for Clint. In that recent interview, he said "somethings going on with that boy, that's all I'm going to say". Put this statement together with Jeremy at comic con saying that hawkeye has a few secrets to be revealed, and my brain goes into overload trying to figure out what it could be. I'm also trying to figure out his link to the twins..since we have seen him in multiple set photos with Wanda. Even more so than Pietro. He has also been seen wearing two different uniforms on 2 different sets while Wanda is still wearing the same one. Weird. Would really like for the audience to warm up to hawkeye and hoping this movie can do for him what TWS did for Cap. Renner is a nominated actor, he deserves to shine.

Baron Von Strucker is a character I'm hoping pops up again. Though honestly at this point I would not know where they would fit him. It would be a shame for him to just feature for the first 15 minutes and goes to jail, never to be heard from again. Civil War unfortunately seems to crowded though..so I dont think we will see him for quite awhile.

I'm concerned Whedon will make Age of Ultron too Stark-centric again and honestly my patience for Tony is wearing thin.

Also pondering whether we will get goofy boy scout Cap(Whedon) or commanding leader Cap(Russos).
Lastly I'm wondering about that scene with Ultron and the Twins standing in what looks to be the rubble of a Hydra base.

There lol. Feel free to pick and choose anything from my thoughts to piggy back off of.
Good lad, that's the spirit!

10 minutes. Actually I don't expect much more than that of Vision as a goodie. Not sure how early we get introduced to him but hopefully his combined time is longer than that. If not then at least he'll have been set up for sequels. A surprising/touching way, does that mean some kind of sacrifice or a save when he turns. Or maybe some sudden understanding of a human emotion that his earlier pure android self wouldn't have understood.

For Clint, as long as something going on doesn't mean him getting mind controlled again. Couldn't blame Renner for walking if that happened lol. Could be something in his history. Not sure if his past on film is supposed to be quite as chequered as Widow's but I'm sure there are some unsavoury things in there. Till now I hadn't thought of any link to the twins further than being the Avenger sent to get them but it's possible. His different uniforms just mean he's more of a diva than Wanda. That is interesting, being spotted twice without the other Avengers at different times, and we'd assume they are a good time apart with the different uniforms. But I have no idea what that link could be. He definitely deserves his shot this time around and I think Whedon will give it to him.

I'm not expecting much from Von Strucker in this film past the initial scene with the twins but I'm sure he'll be safe and well ready for a return. A future Cap film would make sense although like you say Civil War could be a bit crowded. Maybe even some AoS appearances. I can't see him getting a starring film role as everyone will be going up against their own bigger villains and other roads will lead to Thanos and Infinity War.

I don't think there's much getting away from this film being fairly Stark-centric as with his role as Ultron's creator it's going to be necessary. He's probably going to have a big say in the final scene that leads to beating Ultron and I wouldn't be surprised to see him get injured doing so. The conclusion is likely to be unclean with conflicts boiling ready for Civil War.

I really hope Whedon has fully absorbed Cap 2 to see how good Cap can be. That was the best we've seen of him on many fronts, certainly costume and action.

That scene looks like some kind of planning phase where they get instructions from Ultron on what to do next. I'm not sure if they've started to get uncomfortable with him yet. Need to rewatch it actually, like I need an excuse.

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10 minutes. Actually I don't expect much more than that of Vision as a goodie. Not sure how early we get introduced to him but hopefully his combined time is longer than that. If not then at least he'll have been set up for sequels. A surprising/touching way, does that mean some kind of sacrifice or a save when he turns. Or maybe some sudden understanding of a human emotion that his earlier pure android self wouldn't have understood.

For Clint, as long as something going on doesn't mean him getting mind controlled again. Couldn't blame Renner for walking if that happened lol. Could be something in his history. Not sure if his past on film is supposed to be quite as chequered as Widow's but I'm sure there are some unsavoury things in there. Till now I hadn't thought of any link to the twins further than being the Avenger sent to get them but it's possible. His different uniforms just mean he's more of a diva than Wanda. That is interesting, being spotted twice without the other Avengers at different times, and we'd assume they are a good time apart with the different uniforms. But I have no idea what that link could be. He definitely deserves his shot this time around and I think Whedon will give it to him.

I'm not expecting much from Von Strucker in this film past the initial scene with the twins but I'm sure he'll be safe and well ready for a return. A future Cap film would make sense although like you say Civil War could be a bit crowded. Maybe even some AoS appearances. I can't see him getting a starring film role as everyone will be going up against their own bigger villains and other roads will lead to Thanos and Infinity War.

I don't think there's much getting away from this film being fairly Stark-centric as with his role as Ultron's creator it's going to be necessary. He's probably going to have a big say in the final scene that leads to beating Ultron and I wouldn't be surprised to see him get injured doing so. The conclusion is likely to be unclean with conflicts boiling ready for Civil War.

I really hope Whedon has fully absorbed Cap 2 to see how good Cap can be. That was the best we've seen of him on many fronts, certainly costume and action.

That scene looks like some kind of planning phase where they get instructions from Ultron on what to do next. I'm not sure if they've started to get uncomfortable with him yet. Need to rewatch it actually, like I need an excuse.

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Well I could see him doing something along the lines of a sacrifice play. The beauty of Vision is that you could technically just...rebuild him. I imagine in the final battle vision makes one last horrah (possibly with Mjolnir in hand!).

I agree with all those points!! How do you think they will handle the fight scenes? The Avengers is a tricky team because you want to show all of them as capable but..for example the ultron bots..

How will they handle the power level gaps? I'm guess Cap's shield will be quite useful. Hawk will have to have either explosive or electric tip arrows. We've seen that widow has those stun batons from the promo poster...
It's hulk and thor im crossed on. Unless they're talking on "boss" type ultron drones that are stronger than the lower tier, they are going to have an easy time.

From what we have seen, the ultron bots dont seem that strong physically. I can recall to occasions where the human avengers came in to close combat with them. Widow in that "blink and you miss", 360 shot from the BTS preview where it looked like she took one down and began to flip over it and hawkeye in old old set photos. He jumped and kicked one and stabbed another in its eye slot with an arrow IIRC. Gotta check it again. They are on youtube.

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I honestly do not believe, that there is so much to talk about AoU now!
Most of the things are already clear - at least to me...

A few points from my side:

I am looking forward to the Vision most. It is such a great character - but i also think, that we see him just for the second half of the movie. But he could be the one, who leads to the defeat of Ultron at the end - with, of course, Iron Man finishing the job

As RDJ - as i understood from his words at some press-conferences - has a hand in each of his movies (with Iron Man), even the story, he will again play the main character with the most screentime. I think, that he is responsable for this, but, on the other hand, he seems to care alot about the whole stuff - which is good (even if some of us want some other characters be more in the lead)

Hope, that they present especially Thor better, than they did before. He needs to step out of the shadow of Hulk. But i do not think, that it will happen (and i think, he will just be in the first half of the movie.. and then will leave to Asgard.. hmm)

They will prepare Civil War, therefore we will see a "battle" between Captain America and Iron Man. Teased already with the phase 3 presentation. Should give Captain America a important part in the movie

This teaser leads to my only big question. As the Avengers are beaten midway through the movie (and are split and "in the nowhere") - how the "new world" looks like under control of Ultron. Are people dying? It is Ultrons mission... Do the Avengers let this happening? Rogers and Stark having a conversation somewhere as the Avengers are hiding - and Ultron is killing the humans at the same time?? Hmm.. sounds strange!

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Well I could see him doing something along the lines of a sacrifice play. The beauty of Vision is that you could technically just...rebuild him. I imagine in the final battle vision makes one last horrah (possibly with Mjolnir in hand!).

I agree with all those points!! How do you think they will handle the fight scenes? The Avengers is a tricky team because you want to show all of them as capable but..for example the ultron bots..

How will they handle the power level gaps? I'm guess Cap's shield will be quite useful. Hawk will have to have either explosive or electric tip arrows. We've seen that widow has those stun batons from the promo poster...
It's hulk and thor im crossed on. Unless they're talking on "boss" type ultron drones that are stronger than the lower tier, they are going to have an easy time.

From what we have seen, the ultron bots dont seem that strong physically. I can recall to occasions where the human avengers came in to close combat with them. Widow in that "blink and you miss", 360 shot from the BTS preview where it looked like she took one down and began to flip over it and hawkeye in old old set photos. He jumped and kicked one and stabbed another in its eye slot with an arrow IIRC. Gotta check it again. They are on youtube.

I get the impression drone lvls will vary depending on plot lol
Haha, if Vision did that Cap would be like WTH that's my trick.

Hulk & Thor will have to be quickly diverted to greater numbers and higher level threats. Even Ultron himself. While Widow, Hawkeye etc will be on bot duty the whole time. The 8 part concept art we saw showed Hawkeye getting overwhelmed so I'd like for the Ultron bots to be tougher individually than the Chitauri and capable of taking down the weakest Avengers if they are left alone so that whoever is on bot duty needs to work hard as a team to get through. And then the big guns will be getting whupped by Ultron until Vision switches sides and leads an inside hand.

Btw I am really looking forward to BW's batons, they seem really cool. And Hawkeye should get a chance to use a few different destructive arrow types being in control of his senses this time around. i wouldn't have a problem with varying drone levels like generals. They've got to make it fit somehow.

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Most of the things are already clear - at least to me...

A few points from my side:

I am looking forward to the Vision most. It is such a great character - but i also think, that we see him just for the second half of the movie. But he could be the one, who leads to the defeat of Ultron at the end - with, of course, Iron Man finishing the job

As RDJ - as i understood from his words at some press-conferences - has a hand in each of his movies (with Iron Man), even the story, he will again play the main character with the most screentime. I think, that he is responsable for this, but, on the other hand, he seems to care alot about the whole stuff - which is good (even if some of us want some other characters be more in the lead)

Hope, that they present especially Thor better, than they did before. He needs to step out of the shadow of Hulk. But i do not think, that it will happen (and i think, he will just be in the first half of the movie.. and then will leave to Asgard.. hmm)

They will prepare Civil War, therefore we will see a "battle" between Captain America and Iron Man. Teased already with the phase 3 presentation. Should give Captain America a important part in the movie

This teaser leads to my only big question. As the Avengers are beaten midway through the movie (and are split and "in the nowhere") - how the "new world" looks like under control of Ultron. Are people dying? It is Ultrons mission... Do the Avengers let this happening? Rogers and Stark having a conversation somewhere as the Avengers are hiding - and Ultron is killing the humans at the same time?? Hmm.. sounds strange!
Vision is the character I've always wanted most since the end of the 1st film. And SW happened to be 2nd on the list. Whedon & co have been good to me with their choices.

Vision & Iron Man are favourites to land the killing blow. They will no doubt both be crucial in the end game. I think this time even those who have had enough have to accept Stark having a big role. Hopefully in future all the big guns all get big roles.

That could happen with Thor leaving. I hope he isn't just gone for the whole 2nd half of the film. I want him back for the final battle before he jets off again. Certainly want him to be given a lot more than he was in the 1st film in an Avengers film at some point.

Stark & Rogers could be totally at odds by the end, even after a team victory. Maybe there are some serious consequences to the victory that Stark is blamed for. I hope they aren't chopping logs too casually while the world burns around them! Maybe they have hidden out and Ultron is focused on finding them right then. Got to be a good explanation for the lack of urgency in that scene.

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Good point IceMan. I suppose he says that line when he brought the avengers down on their knees. Seem like the appropriate moment to say it.

As for the wood cutting scene I guess they need a time out. Which really begs the question as to how many times do they confront Ultron in this movie. I mean if its the EW cover Ultron that kicks their ass then imagine what vibranium Ultron is going to do to them. I just don't think its ultron only that kicks their ass, I believe the maximoffs will be there too and that's when Wanda shows them the visions.

But I'm also puzzled as to one of the reasons Stark creates Ultron and the Iron Legion. The clip made it seem like Stark creates ultron not only because they need some rest but because of what Wanda shows her.

I wonder who destroys Ultron Mk1. Me thinks it's Thor.

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I hope it's Thor. Maybe he goes to deal with his issues after he thinks Ultron's dealt with. I guess they might not knwo that Ultron is coming back at that point and have to hide out from the government due to the malfunction of the Iron Legion which gets all the Avengers in trouble rather than just Stark. (starting off CW tensions)

Vibranium Ultron can probably take and dominate all of them at once while EW Ultron can probably take out all except Hulk & Thor, a afew at a time. But he has the whole army and the twins helping him out.

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Good point IceMan. I suppose he says that line when he brought the avengers down on their knees. Seem like the appropriate moment to say it.

As for the wood cutting scene I guess they need a time out. Which really begs the question as to how many times do they confront Ultron in this movie. I mean if its the EW cover Ultron that kicks their ass then imagine what vibranium Ultron is going to do to them. I just don't think its ultron only that kicks their ass, I believe the maximoffs will be there too and that's when Wanda shows them the visions.

But I'm also puzzled as to one of the reasons Stark creates Ultron and the Iron Legion. The clip made it seem like Stark creates ultron not only because they need some rest but because of what Wanda shows her.

I wonder who destroys Ultron Mk1. Me thinks it's Thor.
I think maybe Stark will fast track Ultron due to the visions and it is something he was working on for sometime

I believe Ruffalo said something about the creation of Ultron causing a split in the science bros, but we also know Banner works on him. So I think by the start of the film Banner and Stark are working on him something Cap dislikes, but then the Twins happen, Stark sees something in the vision (probably the dead avengers thing) he activates Ultron before he is fully tested, Ultron immediately goes bad which obviously annoys everyone including Banner.

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I think that the structure of this film is still rather mysterious. Early reports had the Avengers taking down Strucker in the opening action sequence, and the subsequent party being as a result of a job well done. However, if Ultron crashes the party, does that mean that Ultron has already been activated but missed out the opening raid on HYDRA? If they take down Strucker at the beginning, then do they also take down the twins? If so, what happens to them between being beaten by the Avengers and them working for Ultron? If the Avengers get trounced by the twins at the beginning then why the celebration? I think there are lots of questions still to be answered, I'm looking forward to seeing how things play out.

On a more general note, I think there's a fair bit of unnecessary doom and gloom surrounding aspects of this film. Maybe people felt burned by Whedon first time round, but I don't think we'll see anyone really get a particularly minor role this time. The first film was forced to separate the major players for the opening in order to explain them all and SHIELD had to be involved heavily to bring them all together. This time round, the team starts out together, interacting and bouncing off each other from scene 1 til the end.

Maybe I'm too much of an optimist, but I'd say the absolute minimum screen time for each player will be 25-30 minutes. I certainly doubt Thor will be disappearing for half the film or anything like that.

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I believe Ruffalo said something about the creation of Ultron causing a split in the science bros, but we also know Banner works on him. So I think by the start of the film Banner and Stark are working on him something Cap dislikes, but then the Twins happen, Stark sees something in the vision (probably the dead avengers thing) he activates Ultron before he is fully tested, Ultron immediately goes bad which obviously annoys everyone including Banner.
I thought that sequence where Cap and Stark argue took place after Ultron and twins defeated the Avengers. Not sure if Feige mentioned it or something.

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Yeah, well he said it was after they got there butts whooped by Ultron or something like that, and from the clip it was clear the Avengers had faced the twins prior to the scene. However it doesn't mean necessarily it was the same fight.

I think the Avengers will face Hydra and the twins at the start of the film which is where SW shows them there various visions. The Avengers still manage to win the battle, and presumably the twins escape. Then Stark fast tracks Ultron.

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I hope that there are more than two Hulk appearances, Ruffalo-Banner coolness aside. I'm also weary of the possible "Hulk on a rampage that heroes must stop" part 2. We've already seen that in part 1.. sigh..

hopefully Hawkeye gets to be heroic from the get-go.
I'd like to see more of Widow's past discovered.
Hopefully Cap makes "some" headway on his Winter Soldier hunt.

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I think we'll find out early on in the movie that Hawkeye was originally a Hydra agent that switched sides during the battle of New York.

That would fit in with his comic book history, starting as a villain, and give a bit of a reason for the Avengers knowing where Strucker's Hydra bases are.

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That would fit in with his comic book history, starting as a villain, and give a bit of a reason for the Avengers knowing where Strucker's Hydra bases are.
This.

Once Joss made that comment, I immediately thought about the Hydra connection. Would be clutch if he was Hydra before seeing the light due to events in Avengers. He's at Stark's party, though, so he can't be 100% bad guy.

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or he is, that is definitely trick of the trailer going on, when he is angry he is sleeveless and when he is picking up Tony he has full sleeves on and his face looks more like 'look what I can do' rather than 'Thou hast pissed me off Stark'


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Giving Tony the old "poisonous dream" speech

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Im not sure about Hawkeye being a hudra agent given his role in TWS early script drafts.

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Yeah, well he said it was after they got there butts whooped by Ultron or something like that, and from the clip it was clear the Avengers had faced the twins prior to the scene. However it doesn't mean necessarily it was the same fight.

I think the Avengers will face Hydra and the twins at the start of the film which is where SW shows them there various visions. The Avengers still manage to win the battle, and presumably the twins escape. Then Stark fast tracks Ultron.
Yep, that's what I'm expecting for the moment.

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As i see it, it is like this...

First they will attack the castle of Strucker - facing, by accident, the unknown ability of SW! (and Quicksilver)

They won, completed their mission, but the twins escaped...

Thereafter they meet in the Stark tower - it is no big party there, or? (but the mission is completed anyway)

Then, Ultron crushed the party. Everybody was surprised, as nobody did know, that "Ultron" "NEEDS no strings anymore"...
Stark (and Banner) worked on that project, but it was never intended, that the robot(s) can control themself!!
Therefore they will blame Stark - either, because he is such a genius, that Ultron can not "happen" by accident or because he worked - for the gouvernment or secretly - on this project!

Ultron and the robots attack the Avengers (short), and escaping...

Then, I think, they are searching Ultron, and are attacking him, being defeated and have to hide... Maybe again the twins giving a helping hand - this time for Ultron, as they think, that the Avengers are the enemies...

Thor has to leave...

Now we are where Cap and Stark are talking...

Ultron gets his new armor, Vision comes to live...
The twins will realise, that Ultron is the real evil and will change sides...


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