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Old 02-17-2014, 05:22 PM   #226
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Also, the more expensive your show, the higher ratings you need for it to stay on the air. Any Hulk show would be so expensive to make, maintaining the audience for it would prove I feel far too difficult. AoS level audience simply isn't enough for a much more expensive Hulk show.

Exactly! And if they killed Evans, I'd be mad too as a Cap fan! I don't see them doing this to any of the big 4, especially given the Thor 3/Cap 3 announcements, RDJ's new announcement about being open to IM4, and I think they want to keep building Hulk's audience so he becomes more viable.
Agreed. And again, this is why all the Big 4, even the ones I thought most likely to make a WOK be-right-back death are on the safest half of the list.

Back to the PotC 4 comparison, sometimes really popular characters work best as supporting characters. What good is a scene-stealer if there's no one to steal scenes from? Jack needs Will, Hulk needs Tony/The Avengers. If they ever do a great Hulk film, I think they'll have someone for Hulk to steal the show from.

EDIT: And to keep it on topic, maybe they die?

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Old 02-17-2014, 10:48 PM   #227
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Iron Man fans wouldn't rejoice. They'd complain. Much like Cap fans, Thor fans, etc. would complain if they decided to kill Evans or Hemms in AoU. I don't see them doing that, hence why I don't see a major Avenger dying.



I responded to this in the GotG forum. If Hulk 2 doesn't happen and he isn't a side character in another movie, I don't see him in Phase 3 outside Avengers 3. Hulk is too expensive for TV. You can't do a body double for him today, and Hulk at least has to look about as good as he did in Avengers. On a TV budget, that simply won't happen. Ruffallo will command a hefty salary for TV (given he is the headliner in films now), and Ruffallo actually might be taking an overall cut in pay to do TV (once again, since he plays the lead in some films). Plus, Hulk faces many monsters and such. The CGI that would have to be used is too advanced for TV. Thus, I simply don't see Hulk happening on TV. It is not cost effective. Look at who is getting a TV show/Netflix show. Most are characters that don't have high end powers, or are secret agents that face villains with minimal powers. No one as hard to to visually as Hulk is getting a TV show. There is a reason for that.
Feige said in a recent interview that the upcoming Peggy Carter show on ABC would have a large budget (being a period piece and all, and probably featuring at least the occasional superpower), so Marvel aren't scared to throw big money at a TV show. Plus, GDT's Hulk show was moving forward pretty quickly before it stalled; I'm sure Marvel had already factored in the notion that it was going to be expensive.

I seriously doubt that a Hulk TV show would break the bank. The 70s-80s show was wildly successful, and Joss has openly talked about his fondness for that series, even going so far as to cast Ruffalo specifically for playing Bill Bixby to a hilt. Similarly, a Marvel Studios Hulk show would likely follow that same format, which was roughly two-thirds Bruce Banner, and one-third Hulk each week. I doubt it would turn into a wall-to-wall CG battle like TIH or The Avengers movies.

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Feige said in a recent interview that the upcoming Peggy Carter show on ABC would have a large budget (being a period piece and all, and probably featuring at least the occasional superpower), so Marvel aren't scared to throw big money at a TV show. Plus, GDT's Hulk show was moving forward pretty quickly before it stalled; I'm sure Marvel had already factored in the notion that it was going to be expensive.

I seriously doubt that a Hulk TV show would break the bank. The 70s-80s show was wildly successful, and Joss has openly talked about his fondness for that series, even going so far as to cast Ruffalo specifically for playing Bill Bixby to a hilt. Similarly, a Marvel Studios Hulk show would likely follow that same format, which was roughly two-thirds Bruce Banner, and one-third Hulk each week. I doubt it would turn into a wall-to-wall CG battle like TIH or The Avengers movies.
Obviously it wouldn't, but GDT's Hulk show seemed to be its own entity. Meaning, he could make Hulk look however he wanted. He wasn't a slave to a particular look. That is no longer the case. MCU now has a particular look that has to be at least mostly replicated, and it is done using technology not commonly used on TV shows (Avatar style Mo-Cap). Even if we only had a couple minutes of Hulk per episode, you have to factor in the price of the cast. Peggy Carter is once again a spy character. She isn't expensive to do. Haley Atwell also won't command the type of money Ruffallo will. I think this show would cost too much money and be less profitable than just investing the extra money into a film would be. At the end of the day, it is all about the money. Yes, TIH didn't impress, but I think Hulk could at least sniff Thor: TDW numbers now. There is also far more merchandise and such related to a movie, as well. Even at it's most successful, a Hulk show won't do that type of business.

I just don't see the show being cost effective or lasting longer than 1 season (given the amount invested vs audience of show).

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maybe they are referring to the J.A.R.V.I.S. AI if I understand correctly movie ultron is a corrupted version of it/him

besides isn't the black panther part of the FF package at FOX ?

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Old 03-14-2014, 12:45 PM   #230
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maybe they are referring to the J.A.R.V.I.S. AI if I understand correctly movie ultron is a corrupted version of it/him

besides isn't the black panther part of the FF package at FOX ?
Nope. Kevin Feige said last year it was in development.

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Maybe I'm crazy, but I can totally see Iron Man dieing. Give him the death Han Solo never got. Obviously Cap and Thor are gonna live and and who the hell wants to see the Hulk die? Now just because Iron Man would die doesn't mean we would never see RDJ's Stark again. Whedon strikes me as the guy who would jump all over some kind of magical revival.

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I think if anyone should die, its Pepper Potts. Have Tony become a drunken mess and have his redemption and death in Avengers 3.

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Nope. Kevin Feige said last year it was in development.
Marvel have the rights to Blackbolt and the Inhumans also right?

If only they could get the Galactus and Silver Surfer rights.

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Personally I think Captain America/Steve Rogers is going to die because.

A) His sequel being announced would make it a huge shock.

B) They've established Winter Soldier who can take his place.

C) Ending Avengers 2 with Captain America's death would make Cap 3 a must watch resolution to the cliffhanger. Which would increase it's chances against Batman v. Superman.

D) It's a pretty famous event in recent comics.

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Marvel have the rights to Blackbolt and the Inhumans also right?

If only they could get the Galactus and Silver Surfer rights.
Give it a few weeks

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What does that mean?

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Avengers are having a coffee after defeating Ultron; Cap says : " I miss Coulson"

Coulson pops out of the dark like he did in the AOS pilot


They all cheer, cry and hug him

Ultron reappears and kills him

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What does that mean?
It means Fox probably won't carry through with it.

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It means Fox probably won't carry through with it.
If Marvel got the rights back to Surfer, Doom and the Four that would make Phase 3 and 4 insane.

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I think if anyone should die, its Pepper Potts. Have Tony become a drunken mess and have his redemption and death in Avengers 3.
I cut you and bleed. We do *not* need random fridging, especially of one of the best supporting characters in the whole damn franchise. Doubly so for feeding into the toxic "must be a man****" meme.

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Why does anyone have to die? I mean really, is there a REASON someone HAS to die to make the film a good or great film?

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Yeah no thanks to the whole "let's fridge the heroes GF, who is also one of the best-developed characters in the MCU to boot, just to make him feel bad." That is the most annoying, sexist, and tired of all the comic book clichés, keep it out of the MCU. It'd simply be a waste of a good character.

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Agreed on killing Pepper. That's a bit too easy an answer.

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Why does anyone have to die? I mean really, is there a REASON someone HAS to die to make the film a good or great film?
HAS is a strong word. But it's hard as heck to up the stakes to the 'dark second chapter' where 'everything falls apart' when the first film has a heart-wrenching death and the second one doesn't.

Now if AoU isn't supposed to be a dark second chapter, that isn't about the Avengers being taken apart and through the paces, that isn't more grown up or grittier, and it's more of a generic entry that's not making an ark towards Avengers 3, then that's not a concern.

But if this is 'act II' in a trilogy, then what else can they do to take us to a darker place than seeing good 'ol Coulson stabbed through the heart. What can Whedon do that would make the audience as a whole say 'no, they didn't just do that did they?' and take them through the actual stages of grief?

Killing Hawkeye in a dramatic and unexpected fashion would do this. No matter how badly Captain America or Iron Man gets beat up, no matter how cross the words Thor feels, no matter how far you banish Hulk, nothing trumps a well done death except a better-done death. The only thing that could come close is a permanent death of the team, as in they are forever separated. You've basically killed the franchise, even though you're going to bring it right back, so I don't know if that would actually fly.

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Personally I think Captain America/Steve Rogers is going to die because.

A) His sequel being announced would make it a huge shock.

B) They've established Winter Soldier who can take his place.

C) Ending Avengers 2 with Captain America's death would make Cap 3 a must watch resolution to the cliffhanger. Which would increase it's chances against Batman v. Superman.

D) It's a pretty famous event in recent comics.
They won't kill Cap before doing some sort of registration story line. They can't have mutants obviously but there's a reason why all these supers are popping up in Avengers 2. Avengers 3 would be the perfect back drop to do registration story line with the influx of supers. You need Cap for that.

I would guess they kill Black Widow or Hawkeye. Black Widow movie could be a ruse by your logic. They won't kill any of the top 4 (Hulk, Iron Man, Cap, Thor). That won't happen until Avengers 3.

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Why does anyone have to die? I mean really, is there a REASON someone HAS to die to make the film a good or great film?
Yeah, I am with Vartha. I say no one.

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I agree with Vartha, as well.

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HAS is a strong word. But it's hard as heck to up the stakes to the 'dark second chapter' where 'everything falls apart' when the first film has a heart-wrenching death and the second one doesn't.
Funny you say this, because when I think "dark second chapter" I think Empire, in which none of the characters die. Versus Star Wars where Obi-Wan dies

Of course, Han is tortured and left in a very precarious situation, but that's not quite the same as killing one of the main characters

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Yeah, I don't think anyone has to die, but scatter the Avengers? Sure

With a cosmic element to Guardians, there's no reason Hulk or Thor couldn't end up getting slung through some portal and end up on the other side of the galaxy

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I agree I don't think anyone has to die in this movie. But when they fight Thanos, someone has to die.

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