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Old 09-02-2013, 01:13 PM   #276
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Ultron IS Howard Stark.

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We all seen this synopsis right?

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As the US Government create a force, known as Ultron, The Avengers are told they are not needed any longer. But when Ultron turns against Humanity, it's time for The Avengers to assemble yet again for their most dangerous challenge ever.
Yeah, its from IMDB, but that doesn't necessarily mean its wrong.

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Yes, they've been talking about it forever now. And it probably does mean it's wrong. I could go there and edit that out right not.

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Yeah, its from IMDB, but that doesn't necessarily mean its wrong.
Either way, Stark is going to have a link to Ultron's age (not using it in title form here.

We'll see. I think Cap 2 will clear a lot up with what's going with Shield, Hydra, and who's who, and who's decieving who. I am still going by my theory from before this was even announced, that Ultron was the AI being used by Killain, who manipulated the events of Iron man 3, to basically condition tony's mind into thinking the way he wants to, and so that way Stark okays bringing Ultron in the world. It would make it person for Tony still.

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Either way, Stark is going to have a link to Ultron's age (not using it in title form here.

We'll see. I think Cap 2 will clear a lot up with what's going with Shield, Hydra, and who's who, and who's decieving who. I am still going by my theory from before this was even announced, that Ultron was the AI being used by Killain, who manipulated the events of Iron man 3, to basically condition tony's mind into thinking the way he wants to, and so that way Stark okays bringing Ultron in the world. It would make it person for Tony still.

Killian didn't use an AI in IM3.

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Yeah, but the whole AI theme in that movie, and in the Iron Patriot after Killian got a hold of it, some type of AI was more than likely being used to pilot it, right? They showed a different interior inside the helmet. So I was just saying maybe there was some sort of AI that Killian/Mandarin was using, and more would come to light in cap 2, regarding this AI and the mandarin. And that is what ultimately would become Ultron, when that AI makes its way around. I thought it was just wishful speculation, reaching, but hey, Ultron is the villain in A2 like I started speculating after Iron man 3 came out, so my theory must hold some water :P

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It'd be interesting if there has just been some dormant AI just lingering throughout all the movies since 2008 with all the Stark tech from his movie and TIH.

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Yeah, but the whole AI theme in that movie, and in the Iron Patriot after Killian got a hold of it, some type of AI was more than likely being used to pilot it, right? They showed a different interior inside the helmet. So I was just saying maybe there was some sort of AI that Killian/Mandarin was using, and more would come to light in cap 2, regarding this AI and the mandarin. And that is what ultimately would become Ultron, when that AI makes its way around. I thought it was just wishful speculation, reaching, but hey, Ultron is the villain in A2 like I started speculating after Iron man 3 came out, so my theory must hold some water :P
They just re-branded the Iron Patriot and installed AIM software. Nothing to do with an A.I

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They just re-branded the Iron Patriot and installed AIM software. Nothing to do with an A.I
As I said, it was speculation I had when the movie came out, hoping for Ultron in the sequel.

Secondly, how do you know AIM software doesn't have some type of Artificial Intelligence Network? We don't, hence why I was speculating that ultron could have been there.

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So there's a chance that the new Transformers will be called Age of Extinction. Anyone else think they liked the sound of Age of Ultron?

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Perhaps Ultron will tie in to that view of the universe floating around inside Killian's brain.

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Yeah, but the whole AI theme in that movie, and in the Iron Patriot after Killian got a hold of it, some type of AI was more than likely being used to pilot it, right? They showed a different interior inside the helmet. So I was just saying maybe there was some sort of AI that Killian/Mandarin was using, and more would come to light in cap 2, regarding this AI and the mandarin. And that is what ultimately would become Ultron, when that AI makes its way around. I thought it was just wishful speculation, reaching, but hey, Ultron is the villain in A2 like I started speculating after Iron man 3 came out, so my theory must hold some water :P

Killian and Savin knew how to disable and use the Iron Patriot armor because the military contracted with AIM's scientists to overhaul the armor after Hammer's disastrous attempt. When the Extremis soldier attacked Rhodey in Pakistan she was able to use her powers to fuse his armor and lock it up with him trapped inside. If Killian had control of the Iron Patriot's AI he could have simply forced the suit to fly Rhodey to Florida instead of having to ambush and overwhelm him. And Savin wouldn't have been sawing on the suit, either, nor would Killian have had to heat it up to force it to open because they could have ordered it to do so with the AI. Also, had they gotten control of Stark's AI they would have used that to take the Iron Man suits, rather than trying to manipulate him with it.


Now, maybe Ultron does come from a corrupted version of Tony's JARVIS AI. That's the prevailing fan theory because it's simple and makes sense. But there isn't any clear indication in IM3 that Killian had corrupted the AI. The government or SHIELD certainly could have stolen the code for JARVIS at some point, however. That could have happened as far back as IM2, when Rhodey first brought the War Machine armor in. Hammer didn't have the skills to hack it, that much was made clear, but that doesn't mean that some other scientist couldn't. Vanko did, and even Natasha managed to use Vanko's interface to break control of the War Machine armor.


Another opportunity would have been when Tony stored a spare Mark VII suit on the Helicarrier. Fury would have had his techs all over that, trying to hack in and get as much info as they could. With the events in TWS knocking Fury out of power at least for a while, perhaps the HYDRA elements at SHIELD get control of the armor schematics and JARVIS code and use them to create Ultron. That would make a certain amount of sense and it would tie Ultron to Tony in an essential way without his being its creator.

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Hopefully people don't think Marvel stole the title from TF4 then. I don't think the X-movie with Apocalypse will be called Age of Apocalypse because of this. Not that I think it's a problem. X-Men: Apocalypse would do.

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We're all gonna be blown away when they reveal that Spider-Man created Ultron after he killed Hank Pym for being a loser.

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Killian and Savin knew how to disable and use the Iron Patriot armor because the military contracted with AIM's scientists to overhaul the armor after Hammer's disastrous attempt. When the Extremis soldier attacked Rhodey in Pakistan she was able to use her powers to fuse his armor and lock it up with him trapped inside. If Killian had control of the Iron Patriot's AI he could have simply forced the suit to fly Rhodey to Florida instead of having to ambush and overwhelm him. And Savin wouldn't have been sawing on the suit, either, nor would Killian have had to heat it up to force it to open because they could have ordered it to do so with the AI. Also, had they gotten control of Stark's AI they would have used that to take the Iron Man suits, rather than trying to manipulate him with it.


Now, maybe Ultron does come from a corrupted version of Tony's JARVIS AI. That's the prevailing fan theory because it's simple and makes sense. But there isn't any clear indication in IM3 that Killian had corrupted the AI. The government or SHIELD certainly could have stolen the code for JARVIS at some point, however. That could have happened as far back as IM2, when Rhodey first brought the War Machine armor in. Hammer didn't have the skills to hack it, that much was made clear, but that doesn't mean that some other scientist couldn't. Vanko did, and even Natasha managed to use Vanko's interface to break control of the War Machine armor.


Another opportunity would have been when Tony stored a spare Mark VII suit on the Helicarrier. Fury would have had his techs all over that, trying to hack in and get as much info as they could. With the events in TWS knocking Fury out of power at least for a while, perhaps the HYDRA elements at SHIELD get control of the armor schematics and JARVIS code and use them to create Ultron. That would make a certain amount of sense and it would tie Ultron to Tony in an essential way without his being its creator.
I didn't say Killian corrupted an AI. I said there may be an AI there, and it may be where Ultron comes from, that ai stumbles into SHIELD maybe, and is what becomes Ultron. Or whatever. Secondly, as for the part I bolded, it's not happening. It's not. It's a popular fan theory, which is why it's not happening.

Again, an Iron man 3 screen writer, or whoever he was said the end of Iron man 3 leaves a perfect transition for what Joss wants to do with Tony. He also said he read a lot of different rumors on line, and theories (when asked about if stark creates ultron), and he says that he read a lot of them online, and NONE were close to what they were really doing. Which is WHY I started thinking outside the box, cause the popular theories aren't even close to what is going on, that was said by someone who is in the know, regarding age of ultron, and MCU, apparently. Just read the interview, don't know why people have been ignoring it, it basically debunks any general theories thought of thus far.

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Ultron will be based off of Dr. Banner's brain patterns. That's why Ultron's always angry.

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Again, an Iron man 3 screen writer, or whoever he was said the end of Iron man 3 leaves a perfect transition for what Joss wants to do with Tony. He also said he read a lot of different rumors on line, and theories (when asked about if stark creates ultron), and he says that he read a lot of them online, and NONE were close to what they were really doing. Which is WHY I started thinking outside the box, cause the popular theories aren't even close to what is going on, that was said by someone who is in the know, regarding age of ultron, and MCU, apparently. Just read the interview, don't know why people have been ignoring it, it basically debunks any general theories thought of thus far.
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It's from a SciFiNow interview with Drew Pearce. DCMarvelFreshman posted it over at CBM, which, as you probably know, can't be directly linked on this site. What jaqua's talking about:

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Whoever said that the Ultron AI comes from the Chitauri mothership might be on to something. I'm starting to like that idea, especially given Pearce's comments.

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Whoever said that the Ultron AI comes from the Chitauri mothership might be on to something. I'm starting to like that idea, especially given Pearce's comments.
He's giving examples of rumors he read when talking about it showing up in Thor and Guardians. :/

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He's giving examples of rumors he read when talking about it showing up in Thor and Guardians. :/
I don't think that's what he's saying at all. :/

He's addressing the first part of the quoted passage, which is the Stark/Ultron connection most assumed would be there.

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To think outside the box, thatīs my opinion too. Maybe Ultron is actually pulling strings. Like he has been around for a while but need Tony to help him in order to become complete or solve a problem. Age of Ultron, maybe itīs like his age because he has been behind events in phase 2 that eventually will lead to whatever we get to see in TA: AoU.

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