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Yeah, I think that tension has always been with the Thor character, even if it's not always spelled out. He is "The Scion of Asgard". At some point he is to succeed his father, Jormagund not withstanding of course.
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I didn't actually consider it from that angle. Him just not wanting the job anymore though I can see how that could happen. It's making me even more excited! I can't take it!
Well I do hope that we get to see some of Thor's leadership traits since he's supposed to be leading an army of Asgardians into several battles. He couldn't do so in the first film since he was a reckless prince, and in "The Avengers", it was Captain America that was giving out orders to the group, so he should have his time to shine in this film hopefully.

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Here's one that I hadn't seen posted here yet.


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The design and quality of the pictures definitely has that "Disney" Touch to it imho.

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The design and quality of the pictures definitely has that "Disney" Touch to it imho.
That's not a bad thing. Disney is great when it comes to marketing and I'm glad that their great Marketing Machine has finally started turning out TDW stuff and we have stuff coming to us every few days

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Also, I mentioned this a while back in "The Avengers" thread, but I personally feel that when it comes to Thor's position in the overall mythology of heroes that the MCU has established, he's pretty much like that "guardian angel" figure (ala Trump Card) that Earth has when it comes to defending against villainous forces.

I mean sure, you have the Hulk as well, but he's more of a wild card who seems to be more of a loner and someone that would only get involved when the situation calls for it.

Hell, I definitely like how there's this growing mystique about Thor when it comes to the perspectives of some of the other Marvel characters; I mean you have Alrich from Iron Man 3 noting on how things have never been quite the same since Thor arrived on Earth, and then you have the way that Coulson reinforces that belief whenever he mentions about Thor to anyone else on Earth.

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Also, I mentioned this a while back in "The Avengers" thread, but I personally feel that when it comes to Thor's position in the overall mythology of heroes that the MCU has established, he's pretty much like that "guardian angel" figure (ala Trump Card) that Earth has when it comes to defending against villainous forces.

I mean sure, you have the Hulk as well, but he's more of a wild card who seems to be more of a loner and someone that would only get involved when the situation calls for it.

Hell, I definitely like how there's this growing mystique about Thor when it comes to the perspectives of some of the other Marvel characters; I mean you have Alrich from Iron Man 3 noting on how things have never been quite the same since Thor arrived on Earth, and then you have the way that Coulson reinforces that belief whenever he mentions about Thor to anyone else on Earth.

I think that Hulk won't be on the team past A2, myself. Leaving Thor as the big gun of the team.... AS IT SHOULD BE!!

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Heimdall's suit looks more metal this go around instead of that plasticy kind of feel that a good chunk of the costumes in the first Thor had.

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The costume looks awesome but I just want to see Heimdall kicking some arse in this movie.

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The costume looks awesome but I just want to see Heimdall kicking some arse in this movie.
It's definitely nice to know that his scenes won't just be him being stuck at the Bifrost's gate and that he'll actually get to interact with people in Asgard.

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It's definitely nice to know that his scenes won't just be him being stuck at the Bifrost's gate and that he'll actually get to interact with people in Asgard.

My question is... Who is covering his shift?

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My question is... Who is covering his shift?
I'm guessing Ragnar the Janitor and his lethal mop will be tending to Heimdall's post while he's kicking arse. You have no idea how many germs and all around gross stuff is gathering on his cleaning implement.

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I think that Hulk won't be on the team past A2, myself. Leaving Thor as the big gun of the team.... AS IT SHOULD BE!!
I have trouble believing that considering he seems to be an "Avengers only" character at the moment.

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I have trouble believing that considering he seems to be an "Avengers only" character at the moment.

Well, Joss often likens Hulk to a horror monster or werewolf type character. I don't think that lends itself very well to being a regular member of "Earth's Mightiest Heroes". But that's just me.

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Well, Joss often likens Hulk to a horror monster or werewolf type character. I don't think that lends itself very well to being a regular member of "Earth's Mightiest Heroes". But that's just me.
Well if that were the case though, then he would have gone with the Ultimates portrayal of Hulk where Hulk in that take was really a monster and actually ate several innocent people.

Joss's Hulk seems to be more in line with the original heroic but misunderstood version of the character.

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Well if that were the case though, then he would have gone with the Ultimates portrayal of Hulk where Hulk in that take was really a monster and actually ate several innocent people.

Joss's Hulk seems to be more in line with the original heroic but misunderstood version of the character.
With herolee10 here. If they didn't want him as a regular Avenger, I don't think they would have showed that Banner has control.

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With herolee10 here. If they didn't want him as a regular Avenger, I don't think they would have showed that Banner has control.
Friends there is control, and then there is CONTROL. Intiendes? I say recalibrate your expectations on this. Even Stan Lee knew that having a walking cluster bomb on the team was not the smartest thing. Whedon was never going to do an Ultimate styled Hulk for a mass market film for Marvel. But that in no way negates what I think either. Hulk is not now suddenly under Banner's total control. Is Whedon a master of heart wrenching reversals and tragic outcomes when it comes to his characters? Well then, I think we have our answer as to what happens to the Jade Giant.

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You know...as far as Hulk goes I'm going to go a ways back and reference Ang Lee's movie. There was that hallucinatory scene towards the end when Hulk blacks out and it has Banner shaving in the mirror only to have the reflection of the Hulk bust through and grab him. Back then I was thinking of how interesting it would have been to explore Bruce Banner having to metaphysically fight the beast within because of that little scene. I still hold that interest in the character of the Hulk in general and would like to see a sequel/Avengers Prequel with Mark Ruffalo showing us how he learned to get control of the Hulk.

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Friends there is control, and then there is CONTROL. Intiendes? I say recalibrate your expectations on this. Even Stan Lee knew that having a walking cluster bomb on the team was not the smartest thing. Whedon was never going to do an Ultimate styled Hulk for a mass market film for Marvel. But that in no way negates what I think either. Hulk is not now suddenly under Banner's total control. Is Whedon a master of heart wrenching reversals and tragic outcomes when it comes to his characters? Well then, I think we have our answer as to what happens to the Jade Giant.
Even if the Hulk "leaves" the team at the end of AoU, he will be with the team again by the end of A3. Even Millar's Ultimates showed this. In the end, the Hulk shows up and smashes and the crowd goes wild.

Not that any of this really effects Thor. He is still bloody Thor and he has a different functionality in the group.

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Even if the Hulk "leaves" the team at the end of AoU, he will be with the team again by the end of A3. Even Millar's Ultimates showed this. In the end, the Hulk shows up and smashes and the crowd goes wild.

Not that any of this really effects Thor. He is still bloody Thor and he has a different functionality in the group.

Hey, I would love some more spotlight on The Thunderer in an Avengers movie. Hulk leaving would do that. But more to the point, having Hulk there is a bit antclimactic, cuz you just expect him to SMASH the problem to bits. Hulk is a tragic figure, and lord knows Whedon is known to build characters up, make them fan favorites and then pulls the rug out from under them, which all makes for great drama. Hulk is not going to be Superman in ripped pants out of the blue... Or green. It's just not the character. Plus, again, no Hulk means more Thor. I'd call that a win in this thread.

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Hey, I would love some more spotlight on The Thunderer in an Avengers movie. Hulk leaving would do that. But more to the point, having Hulk there is a bit antclimactic, cuz you just expect him to SMASH the problem to bits. Hulk is a tragic figure, and lord knows Whedon is known to build characters up, make them fan favorites and then pulls the rug out from under them, which all makes for great drama. Hulk is not going to be Superman in ripped pants out of the blue... Or green. It's just not the character. Plus, again, no Hulk means more Thor. I'd call that a win in this thread.
Less Hulk does not mean more Thor. Again, different characters, different functionality in the group. In combat Thor is far more cultured, where as the Hulk is much more of a base bruiser. Thor is able to call upon skills, strategies and experience that the Hulk simply cannot not. There is also the fact that Thor has his own film series, while the Hulk doesn't, so it seem kinda of counterproductive to get rid of Bruce in the Avengers.

More importantly, the tragic nature of the Hulk is always there. As is the fact that Banner is a hero, who pulls through in the end. They go over this in The Avengers. He always smashes in the end. Also your base argument is flawed. You can't claim the Hulk smashing is anti-climatic, and then have Thor just start doing that.

On another note, I really hope TDW exmphasis Thor as a capable leader in combat. Especially if they are heading toward the King Thor idea.

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Less Hulk does not mean more Thor. Again, different characters, different functionality in the group. In combat Thor is far more cultured, where as the Hulk is much more of a base bruiser. Thor is able to call upon skills, strategies and experience that the Hulk simply cannot not. There is also the fact that Thor has his own film series, while the Hulk doesn't, so it seem kinda of counterproductive to get rid of Bruce in the Avengers.

More importantly, the tragic nature of the Hulk is always there. As is the fact that Banner is a hero, who pulls through in the end. They go over this in The Avengers. He always smashes in the end. Also your base argument is flawed. You can't claim the Hulk smashing is anti-climatic, and then have Thor just start doing that.

On another note, I really hope TDW exmphasis Thor as a capable leader in combat. Especially if they are heading toward the King Thor idea.
I guess we'll all know in summer 2015 .

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How? We know the Avengers crew that will be in AoU.

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How? We know the Avengers crew that will be in AoU.

Yes. But my belief is Hulk will leave the team in Age of Ultron. I don't think he's not going to be in it. I just think circumstances will be such that he will not be a member of the team once the credits roll.

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