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Old 11-25-2013, 12:41 AM   #576
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The thread title giving the impression that Marvel Studios is slapping fans is amusing.

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I have you all beat.


Man-Thing.


I'm a very casual fan of the comics...and while the movie imo is a nice B-movie with great score, DOP, and some set design and hell, Mna-Thing here looks great.

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But the story....and the fact Man-Thing himself was so much changed from the comics...too me the visual change is nice, but his story in this....

Whatever, word is teh Director is too blame. Cause the screen writer wrote a prequel come book series that was better than the movie lol. And he distanced himself from teh movie like Marvel did lol.

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Old 11-25-2013, 01:36 AM   #579
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The 2003 "Hulk" film was way too cerebral, so I don't like it anymore. The 2008 version was much better, and I'm still sad Norton let his ego get in the way.

I really hate how they screwed up the Mandarin in "Iron Man 3", but hopefully they'll fix it sometime over the next few years.

I never saw "Punisher Warzone", but heard it was a lot more violent than needed. I do like how they let Thomas Jane reprise his version for that "dirty laundry" short last year; he deserves another shot.

I like the concept of Ghost Rider, but the "demonic possession" element never sat well with me.

"Daredevil" turned out okay in the end, thanks to Mark Steven Johnson being allowed to release his own cut. I haven't seen the theatrical version in years. "Elektra" had some promise, but failed miserably.

I really wanted to see Raimi redeem Spider-Man with a fourth entry, but whoever ran Sony at the time was too damn greedy. I still think the third has a lot of great moments, even though its way too crowded. Thomas Haden Church was a phenomenal Sandman.

The first "Fantastic Four" was tolerable, but Reed and Sue were both miscast (especially the latter). "Rise of the Silver Surfer" felt like a cash-in, lacking a clearly focused narrative.

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Old 11-25-2013, 12:50 PM   #580
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Looking at this thread I realize one thing: That comic fans will find anything to complain about.

How many of you guys were actually fans of the Mandarin before Iron Man 3? How many of you actually cared for the character? You guys are all angry because you all got fooled by trailers. All of you guys are acting like Mandarin is this sacred character in the comics, but I never cared for the character and I don't see it as a slap in the face because he it's not like he was ever that important a character in the first place. Sure, he's face off against Tony a few times, but Tony's greatest archenemy has always been himself.

I don't care if you guys liked or hated the twist, but calling it a slap in the face I think for the most part is an overexaggeration because now that he's been changed in the movie all of a sudden all of these "Mandarin fans" come out of the shadows. I'd argue that the twist wasn't the problem, but more Killian being an underdeveloped villain being a bigger problem that hurts the twist.

There are much worse things that have been done to Marvel movies than The Mandarin twist. The Mandarin Twist isn't even the top 5, and I'd argue that it's not even in the top 10. Hell, between Fantastic Four, X3, X-Men Origins, and Spider-Man 3, you have a top 10 (maybe even top 15) with those movies alone.




And about Hank Pym... Eh, the "him not creating Ultron" doesn't bode well for him, but I'll reserve judgement for when Ant-Man gets released.

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Old 11-25-2013, 03:39 PM   #581
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Old 11-25-2013, 06:34 PM   #582
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Looking at this thread I realize one thing: That comic fans will find anything to complain about.

How many of you guys were actually fans of the Mandarin before Iron Man 3? How many of you actually cared for the character? You guys are all angry because you all got fooled by trailers. All of you guys are acting like Mandarin is this sacred character in the comics, but I never cared for the character and I don't see it as a slap in the face because he it's not like he was ever that important a character in the first place. Sure, he's face off against Tony a few times, but Tony's greatest archenemy has always been himself.

I don't care if you guys liked or hated the twist, but calling it a slap in the face I think for the most part is an overexaggeration because now that he's been changed in the movie all of a sudden all of these "Mandarin fans" come out of the shadows. I'd argue that the twist wasn't the problem, but more Killian being an underdeveloped villain being a bigger problem that hurts the twist.

There are much worse things that have been done to Marvel movies than The Mandarin twist. The Mandarin Twist isn't even the top 5, and I'd argue that it's not even in the top 10. Hell, between Fantastic Four, X3, X-Men Origins, and Spider-Man 3, you have a top 10 (maybe even top 15) with those movies alone.




And about Hank Pym... Eh, the "him not creating Ultron" doesn't bode well for him, but I'll reserve judgement for when Ant-Man gets released.
The mandarin was a slap in the face, because of the effect it had on the whole movie. A lot of people didn't like the movie, and the lack of a good villain, and the one they were "promised" is one reason for that.

Speaking of comic fans finding anything to complain about, some people have been whinging that Hank Pym won't be creating Ultron because that's how it happened in the comics . . . unbelievable.

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Old 11-25-2013, 06:44 PM   #583
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Many things have happened in the comics. It doesn't mean it automatically has to happen in the movies since the movies and comics are two different media and it was obvious before Iron Man 3 that Marvel Studios doesn't straight up adapt movies. Just because he didn't create Ultron in the movies does it mean his character is ruined? I can't make any conclusions because all we've seen of Ant-Man is one test scene. I'll reserve judgement because the character could still be great.

As for Iron Man 3, the movie grossed over a billion with a good critical reception across the board. So they marketed Trevor in the movies in order to hide the real villain. I don't see the real Mandarin being in a business suit worse than what was done to Galactus or Cyclops and we still got a good movie out of it.

The "Mandarin" didn't have much screen in the movie nor did he really appear much outside those cheesy threat videos.

Most of you got attached to commercials and the ideals of fake Mandarin which I find pretty funny. If everyone complaining this thread about Mandarin went in without watching a commercial you all would be singing a different tune.

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Old 11-25-2013, 07:36 PM   #584
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Looking at this thread I realize one thing: That comic fans will find anything to complain about.
It's taken you THIS long to realize this?!

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The mandarin was a slap in the face, because of the effect it had on the whole movie. A lot of people didn't like the movie, and the lack of a good villain, and the one they were "promised" is one reason for that.

Speaking of comic fans finding anything to complain about, some people have been whinging that Hank Pym won't be creating Ultron because that's how it happened in the comics . . . unbelievable.

Hate to butt in, but we DID get the Mandarin with Killian. Like it or not Killian was always the Mandarin.

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Hate to butt in, but we DID get the Mandarin with Killian. Like it or not Killian was always the Mandarin.
Hate to butt in, but read again. What you said has no relevance whatsoever.

I don't know how I could have explained it any clearer. Fans were annoyed because they didn't get the villain that they feel they were promised, aka Ben Kingsley's Mandarin, the ultimate villain from the comics (or so I've heard). Why would you think that there was another villain that loosely went by the same name would offset that in any way?

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Hate to butt in, but we DID get the Mandarin with Killian. Like it or not Killian was always the Mandarin.
So, we got yet another rival businessman/scientist villain in a business suit just like in BOTH of the previous movies, instead of something that's ACTUALLY new and different. Fans were complaining about it during IM 2, and then they did it AGAIN. Marvel, enough with the business suit IM villains, do something new.

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So, we got yet another rival businessman/scientist villain in a business suit just like in BOTH of the previous movies, instead of something that's ACTUALLY new and different. Fans were complaining about it during IM 2, and then they did it AGAIN. Marvel, enough with the business suit IM villains, do something new.
You're absolutely right, but I actually liked Hammer in Iron Man 2 as an auxiliary villain. The actor was great too. Killian I didn't like as much, maybe because Extremis just seemed like a bit of a crap "power" to me or maybe, as you said, I was just sick of the same type of Iron Man villain.

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So, we got yet another rival businessman/scientist villain in a business suit just like in BOTH of the previous movies, instead of something that's ACTUALLY new and different. Fans were complaining about it during IM 2, and then they did it AGAIN. Marvel, enough with the business suit IM villains, do something new.
If you can't see past what a villain wears, then clearly you're missing the point.

Killian's ambitions and the intricacies of his plot far outstrip those of his predecessors. His appearance is a core element of his overarching scheme, in that nobody would expect such an unassuming character to have orchestrated a plan to control an international terrorist cell and the not-so-hostile takeover of the White House. Insinuating that he's the same as Stane or Hammer, apparently because of his fashion sense, is just silly and shortsighted.

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If you can't see past what a villain wears, then clearly you're missing the point.

Killian's ambitions and the intricacies of his plot far outstrip those of his predecessors. His appearance is a core element of his overarching scheme, in that nobody would expect such an unassuming character to have orchestrated a plan to control an international terrorist cell and the not-so-hostile takeover of the White House. Insinuating that he's the same as Stane or Hammer, apparently because of his fashion sense, is just silly and shortsighted.
No, he has a point. Just because the villains have very different motivations and histories doesn't change the fact that they do share similar niches, ie. all the villains came from a local American business perspective rather than military, overseas villain, political etc.

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Pretty much all Marvel villains suck aside from Loki and Killian

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No, he has a point. Just because the villains have very different motivations and histories doesn't change the fact that they do share similar niches, ie. all the villains came from a local American business perspective rather than military, overseas villain, political etc.
So that superficial detail is supposed to overshadow his plans, what he achieved, and everything he put Tony through in the film? That's cherry picking.


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So that superficial detail is supposed to overshadow his plans, what he achieved, and everything he put Tony through in the film? That's cherry picking.
lol so what? No one said anything is supposed to overshadow anything. All he said was the villains all come from a similar angle which is 100% correct. Seems like you're just trying to make an argument where there is none.

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Red Skull and Abomination were okay. I'd even go so far as to rank them above Killian.

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The Mandarin twist. I finally thought to myself, "Oh my God. Marvel may have actually made a compelling villain!" Only for Marvel to say, "SIKE! Enjoy the generic, hamfisted Volcano Man instead!"

Killian was awful. Nothing else needs to be said.

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Killian was awesome.

But, I am still pissed about what was done to the Crimson Dynamo in IM2. It was a Russian Nesting Doll set of insults: a) the casting --- Mickey Rourke sucked b) the writing--seriously, a parrot? All that was missing was a freaking eyepatch and peg leg c) combining him with another villain and thus eliminating any chance of some cool mech action.

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I REALLY liked Mickey Rourke in IM 2. My big beef was that they didn't give him enough to do, and that he pulled a complete character shift near the end which didn't make sense. The parrot thing was Rourke's idea. Marvel got him to sign on by promising not to make his character just a two-dimensional villain, and the parrot was supposed to be one of several things to humanize Vanko and make him a more "human" character. Unfortunately, Marvel cut out almost all of that actual character stuff and made Vanko more two-dimensional (this seems to be a habit with Marvel, Malekith suffered this fate big time), which is why Rourke got pissed off at them. I would also rank Vanko over Killian. I found Vanko more interesting and his plot made more sense/was also more interesting.

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Red Skull and Abomination were okay. I'd even go so far as to rank them above Killian.
I would rank the fat Arab guy from Iron Man ahead of Killian. The robot arm that sprayed unnecessary fire retardant was a more compelling villain than Killian.

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Red Skull and Abomination were okay. I'd even go so far as to rank them above Killian.
I wouldn't, Red Skull expecially was very boring, and they had a perfect actor to make it interesting, i haven't read many comics with Red Skull besides te 60s ones and Incarnate (his origin story), but he allways seemed like he could be a very interesting villain.

With Abomination i really liked the character before the transformation, most of it is probably because of the actor, but after that he became kind of boring if you ask me. People hate on Killian due to the twist, but in the end he's a strong villain and one of the best the MCU even has to offer.

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Cyclops, dude was turned from main champ to chump in the X-Men films, his only good moment is saving Rogue and Wolverine side by side with Storm

Another big slap is what they did to Deadpool, it's not as heavy as what they did to the more important Marvel hero Cyclops, but it's really heavy to Deadpool fans

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