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I'm so sad the Knauf's never got to do the Madame Masque arc they were planning before being shooed off to make way for Fraction's IM.
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I didn't know they had unused material...another slap in the face! Especially since the book ended on such a low note with that nearly pointless War Machine "Secret Invasion" tie-in.
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Then they had another talented director in Matthew Vaughn and chased him away because he couldn't make their ridiculous schedule. He later came back for First Class. The majority of the problems with X3 came from Fox rushing the film to beat Superman Returns to theaters. |
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Did the fact that Fox had to make a film within so many years have something to do with the apparent rush they were in to produce X-3?
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Doubt it. X2 was only three years earlier and we are talking maybe another year extension on the timeline.
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It sounded like a big, personal, pissing contest at the time to me.
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One sided though. I have never heard of any hard feelings on Singer's part.
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He's back for DOFP so they must have made up.
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Yeah and he produced (and was originally set to direct) First Class as well. So they must have made their amends. I guess realistically there was no way Fox was going to delay their big payday. But if they waited, to make a better movie, it could've been a bigger payday for them. So whoever was in charge at the time was pretty dumb. Last edited by OcStat; 09-01-2013 at 05:16 PM. |
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There some question as far as what was meant by slap in the face.With the word Marvel.
I dont mean Marvel films I mean Marvel characters and or Universe. How has Marvel as we know it suffered at the hands of filmakers.So it can be Marvel Studios as well as Fox or Sony or whatever.Also it can be more then the films I mentioned.Thise were just some examples of some personal feelings and things I heard of here. Maybe this can just be our ventiong thread.
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Colossus.Storm.Blackwidow Emil Blonsky where's the accent???
Which to me is very important because it shows Marvel as being global. Mutants especially should be from all around the world. I know you don't need an accent for that but it helps sell it.It made Nightcrawler in X2 flesh out for me.Heros too. Black Widow would have been even hotter with an accent.Adds variation too. Speaking of adding variations some fans had issues with changing race on certain characters. KIngpin from DD Alicia from FF Sue Storm from FF Nick Fury from AVNGRS. While some people feel strongly on this they vented and they were veiwed as Racist is this fair??? Is it the same if Falcon were made white?Or Storm or Luke Cage? Is it color/race or ethnicity?Because Jessica Alba was still white but Hispanic white???? Alot of people don't know but Roy Rogers was really part native American indian(Choctaw) but it seems no one cared he played a Cowboy? Funny how the greatest Cowboy to ever live was Choctaw indian.Why because he looked the part???Or because people didn't know? So what's it really about? Not sure what do you guys think Slap or Not on these issues.
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Second do you think if she looked more "White"but still had been hispanic no one would have minded as much? Third question is she a Hispanic that looks White or a White Hispanic?
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1. Kingpin was black because MCD was PERFECT for the character in every other way (big, strong, imposing, but also smart and sophisticated). Also, Kingpin's race isn't important to who he is. 2. Don't know why Alicia was black in FF, but I liked her. 3. Jessica Alba was simply badly miscast. 4. Nick Fury in the MCU is based off of Ultimate Nick Fury, who is both black and deliberately drawn to look like Samuel L. Jackson, so Jackson playing him makes sense. 5. There were actual cowboys in the real Old West who were full-blooded or mixed blooded Native Americans, so Roy Rogers playing a cowboy is perfectly fine. 6. There are certain characters who's race is important to who they are. Falcon was the first African-American superhero in Marvel, he should be played by a black actor. Black Panther and Blade are the same way. |
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I think a Slap in the face can be defined as a total disregard and or disrespect to the history and effort put into to somthing.
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I would not have minded if Trevor's reveal was not a joke. If it was meant to be a serious political commentary then take it seriously.
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True and im not defending just pointing out some things.Nick Fury being black didnt happen here until recently.People who have been following Nick Fury since 1940 whatever far fetched I know but can they or should they complain?Not then would have been acceptable to do the same with Captain America.If not then why not?So Just because they change it up a little in comics does that make it ok?Spiderman was black once in the comics would that had been ok in a movie?This is streaching but there are white Africans what if Black Panther were white.Please dont everyone jump on me im just giving scenerios.
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Considering the over-abundance of Anglo-Norse characters in the comics, I find the whole argument about race-changes to be quite petty. The "upsetting" changes have been applied to either C-list characters or ones from a different universe (Ultimate.) Besides, those who discovered Nick Fury in the 1940s are either dead, senile, or have bigger concerns in their lives.
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The film continuities are separate from the comics; the point of the medium is to experiment and try different ideas. The desire for a panel for panel recreation of the comics stagnates the filmmaking process. Case and point: I prefer Billy Dee Williams' Harvey Dent over Aaron Eckhardt's. Eckhardt gave an award-winning performance, make no mistake; but, since Nolan decided to tap into the Big-Bad Harv characterization from the Animated series (and to an extent, the Long Halloween--the basement confrontation btw. Gilda and Dent rises to memory,) it was hard to like Dent, since his hubris was fleshed out and fed into his tragedy. I always saw Dent as a good guy who ruined because of Maroni; Nolan set Dent on a pre-destined path, which worked beautifully.
Again, this my matter of preference: Williams' Dent felt truer to the one comic interpretation I liked. But, there are myriad Dents as there are myriad Captain Americas: Mark Millar's Captain America is different than Steve Englehart's...
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So what your saying is it's more trail and error. Which is understandable but my question maybe is what determines those factors? Why is it ok for some and not others if at all.
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