Days of Future Past News and Discussion - - Part 11

[def28]

Originally Posted by danoyse

Hell yes! And Shingen basically sliced him in half during that fight. I can't wait for the blu-ray to come out so I can just watch that fight scene over and over...

I would love to see Wolverine as one of the Avengers on film and get to fight the Hulk, even though I'm pretty much resigned to that not happening. But it would be awesome if it did happen.

Agreed. I just love watching Wolverine trying to reason with Hulk haha Never ends well.

[danoyse]

Originally Posted by def28

Agreed. I just love watching Wolverine trying to reason with Hulk haha Never ends well.

I loved the ending of that one episode of Wolverine and the X-Men where Logan punched Banner just so he'd Hulk out and go after Nick Fury.

[def28]

At the expense of being punched a mile in the air too hahaha. Good stuff.

[wobbly]

Originally Posted by Nell2ThaIzzay

Logan survived nukes and Phoenix.

I don't think a Hulk punch is gonna phase his healing factor.

Lol, the Nagasaki nuke wasn't dropped on his head. The bomb was dropped a good distance away and he survived the burning from the heat flash that followed him down his hole.

And Phoenix's failed attempts to confetti him don't make sense unless we assume Jean was somehow holding Phoenix back enough so that Logan's healing factor could keep him going long enough to get to her.

Why doesn't it make sense without that assumption? Her confetti effect was instant on everything else. Logan requires a little time to heal, even if it's just a few seconds. This is time her effect would not have given him at all. She could have flayed all the flesh from his bones before he could begin to heal, end of story.

But let's go with onscreen examples: One adamantium bullet to his head was enough to knock him out cold. Another few more or less buggered up his memory permanently.

What does a bullet have in common with a Hulk punch? Concussive force, with the Hulks having a lot more than any bullet, no matter what it's made of.

Bottom line, Hulk hits Logan in the head, his brain is jello. He aint getting up from that in a hurry.

And Wolverines cartilage isn't protected. Hulk could rip his head off with ease if he wanted to.

Afaik, beheading is still considered a sufficient means of killing the seemingly almighty Wolverine.

Originally Posted by droidwarrior

Yeah but they wouldn't keep him down. Logan survived a Nuclear Blast. Having Thor roast him or Iron man hit him with his little lasers would simply phase him for a moment then he'd behead Thor and rip through Iron Mans armour before his filtration suit could process his peeing himself.

Thor's lightning could roast all the flesh from his bones if he wanted it to. His hammer as blunt force could do the same damage as a hulk punch. He could also tear off Logan's head with ease. So game over, and he doesn't even have to get close to knock him out, and getting close is the only way Wolverine has any chance with any of these guys.

Iron-Mans lasers could cut off Logan's head without having to get close. Game over again...

Unless it's only Logan that's allowed to cut peoples heads off?

[danoyse]

Originally Posted by def28

At the expense of being punched a mile in the air too hahaha. Good stuff.

Totally worth it.

[CyclopsWasRight]

Originally Posted by wobbly

Thor's lightning could roast all the flesh from his bones if he wanted it to.

He'd grow it back in moments

Originally Posted by wobbly

His hammer as blunt force could do the same damage as a hulk punch.

Which would knock him back, cause him pain and phase him, but wouldn't stop him. (Thors Hammer blow didn't even break Steve Rogers arm when he laid it into his shield.)

Originally Posted by wobbly

Iron-Mans lasers could cut off Logan's head without having to get close. Game over again...

Adamantium lasers?

The only thing that can break his bones, including his head to spinal column , is Adamantium.

None of the Avengers powers or weapons can do that.

Originally Posted by danoyse

I loved the ending of that one episode of Wolverine and the X-Men where Logan punched Banner just so he'd Hulk out and go after Nick Fury.

Was also great in Hulk vs Wolverine when he stabbed Banner to unleash the Hulk.

[wobbly]

Originally Posted by droidwarrior

He'd grow it back in moments

Lol, you're not going by that Nitro rubbish are you? ....Even Marvel knew they went too far with that one and have back tracked since. If his flesh is toasted from his bones (like it was in the original DOFP story, btw), he is toast.

Jeez, I really did prefer Logan when he was just a tough hard to kill brawler than this nigh immortal hold his own against anyone nonsense.

Which would knock him back, cause him pain and phase him, but wouldn't stop him. (Thors Hammer blow didn't even break Steve Rogers arm when he laid it into his shield.)

Nor would it: Caps shield absorbs concussive force, that's a part of what makes it so special. Logan's head doesn't. A Hulk punch, or Thor's hammer + Logan's head = jello brain.

Adamantium lasers?

The only thing that can break his bones, including his head to spinal column , is Adamantium.

None of the Avengers powers or weapons can do that.

Ok....bones, including the vertebrae in our spinal columns, are joined by flexible cartilage, not directly by bone (we'd find movement somewhat difficult otherwise). Since it has to be flexible his cartilage cannot be laced with adamantium as well (and I'm pretty sure it's been stated it is not anyway) so his head can indeed be severed as long as the cut is along the joining cartilage (something Tony's targeting systems could pull off), or something strong enough (like the Hulk, Thor or even Iron-Man) simply pulled his head from his body. The bones wouldn't break, but the joining tissue between the vertebrae would.

[Crimz]

I thought it was known that Hulk smashes puny man.

Iron Man, one of the smartest people ok Marvel Earth would be so stupid that he wouldn't keep his distance from a man with metal claws? He just unibeams Logan's face.
Thor God of Asgard would never lose to Wolverine. Ever.

[CyclopsWasRight]

It's the movies, not the comics.

Wolverine biological matter grows back very fast, a nuclear bomb fried it away and it came back fast, Phoenix melted it from his bones and it came back almost instantly.

The whole point of reducing his healing factor in The Wolverine was so that he could die, as it stands he can't.

Thor and Hulk could smash him and smash him and he'd still come back even is he got knocked out he'd wake up and still could fight them.

From what the movies have told us Hulk isn't known to be invincible, neither is Thor. They'll age and die and Wolverine could still visit their graves.

The only way in which movie Wolverine could be killed is nullifying his healing factor and drowning him or burning or bleeding him to death or chopping his head off with an Adamantium weapon (heling factor or not, he won't come back from that).

No Avengers character could do those things. therefore they can't kill him. That's not to say He could kill them, just that they can't kill him.

Originally Posted by Crimz

Iron Man, one of the smartest people ok Marvel Earth would be so stupid that he wouldn't keep his distance from a man with metal claws? He just unibeams Logan's face.

Unibeams his face off. it grows back.
Unibeams his face off. it grows back.
Unibeams his face off. it grows back.
Unibeams his face off. it grows back.
Unibeams his face off. it grows back.
Unibeams his face off. it grows back.
Unibeams his face off. it grows back.
Unibeams his face off. it grows back.
Iron Man runs out of power, Wolverine skewers him.

[The Ironstar]

Originally Posted by Mulholland-Jr

"In spite of everything you've done for them. Eventually they will hate you."- Green Goblin

See- Donner, Burton, Raimi, Favreau, Nolan and soon-to-be Whedon.

Kids are so spoiled today. Too bad they never lived thru 70's-80's where there wasn't hardly any sci-fi/comicbook movies.

[psylockolussus]

Originally Posted by Nell2ThaIzzay

Soooo... you can blame Simon Kinberg, Zak Penn, and Matthew Vaughn. You can blame Tom Rothman for seemingly wanting Cyclops out of the picture to 1.) make way for a Hugh Jackman / Halle Berry led movie and 2.) accommodate Marsden's conflicting schedule due to Super Man Returns. You can blame Bryan Singer and James Marsden for using Marsden in Superman Returns when X-Men 3 was in pre-production and filming.

For me, the one that I really blame for this whole X3 situation is Bryan Singer. Its one thing to leave the film that you were expected to direct. But to also get an actor that was gonna appear in X-Men 3 is another. I just feel like, if Singer didn't hire James Marsden for Superman Returns, Cyclops would have gotten a bigger role, he wouldn't die so early and X3 would have been less hated by the fans/critics.

[danoyse]

Originally Posted by The Ironstar

Kids are so spoiled today. Too bad they never lived thru 70's-80's where there wasn't hardly any sci-fi/comicbook movies.

Or as my dad, who grew up in the 1950s/1960s and loved reading comic books, likes to point out...he never thought there would ever be movies like this.

[CyclopsWasRight]

Yeah, i find it so sad and shameful when people hate on them, especially before they are even made.

[SAUspartan]

I hated how they treated Edward Norton. I thought he was amazing as Hulk. Way better then the guy they used in the Avengers movie and the ending credits scene in Iron Man 3. Ruffalo? Norton is a way better actor. But thats jmo. I know fanboys think Ruffalo is amazing...but I think Norton was better and it wasnt even close.

Still wish we knew the whole story about that. I'm on Norton's side tho.

[psylockolussus]

I agree with that!

[CyclopsWasRight]

Bana was my favourite. He had the quiet, reserved, scientist persona down to a T for me.

It's been a while since i've seen Norton, but from what i remember he didn't fit that role for me.

Ruffalo was funny, too funny imo he had a bit of scientist in him.

[Saitou Hajime]

Originally Posted by droidwarrior

From what the movies have told us Hulk isn't known to be invincible, neither is Thor. They'll age and die and Wolverine could still visit their graves.

I don't know about Hulk, but Thor even in the movies certainly doesn't age in the conventional sense. Dude has legends about him and is worshiped as a god.

[wobbly]

Originally Posted by Saitou Hajime

I don't know about Hulk, but Thor even in the movies certainly doesn't age in the conventional sense. Dude has legends about him and is worshiped as a god.

Movie Thor obviously has a far longer life span than Wolverine: Thor is at least as old as Loki, who is over 1000 years old (Odin swiped Loki as a baby when he beat the Frost Giants back from Earth in the 900's). Odin has aged maybe 2 to 3 decades since that time (going by Hopkins appearance at the start of Thor and when the film hits the present day).

So, movie Asgardians may not be full on immortal (though they did call humans 'mortals') but they do have very long lifespans. Odin himself is likely to be well over 2000 at least.

Movie Wolverine was born in the early 1830's, so he is around 180 years old atm, and would be about 190 for DOFP. This film will show he has aged (we know he will be sporting some grey hair at his temples in the future, presumably 2023), so while much slower than a human, he is still ageing, and certainly is not immortal (even in the comics they have aged future versions of him, from the original DOFP comic to 'Old Man Logan').

The idea of Thor growing old, dying and Logan visiting his grave is rather laughable. Assuming neither got killed, Logan's flesh will age, pass on and join the Choir invisible long before Thor's.

With the Hulk it's not been specified one way or another in the films (TIH or Avengers). In the books though he is just as long lived as Wolverine, as future story's have aged versions of him still around 100's of years from now (ironically most of these stories will have Thor already killed off...).

[xDOFPx]

Originally Posted by psylockolussus

For me, the one that I really blame for this whole X3 situation is Bryan Singer. Its one thing to leave the film that you were expected to direct. But to also get an actor that was gonna appear in X-Men 3 is another. I just feel like, if Singer didn't hire James Marsden for Superman Returns, Cyclops would have gotten a bigger role, he wouldn't die so early and X3 would have been less hated by the fans/critics.

He didn't quit the franchise. He was fired by Rothman for daring to work for two studios. He was planning to do both Superman and X3 one after the other and would have if Fox hadn't gotten greedy and refused to wait a year. They literally rushed out X3 which is why Vaughn quit as it wasn't near to being a finished product. That is why X3 was so crap. Fox and Ratner are the ones to blame. I gladly would have waited till 2007 to get a real sequel and not that imposter of a movie we got.

Cyclops would have had a bigger part and so would Rogue if Fox hadn't rushed production so the schedule clashed for the actors. Rothman was a vindictive and greedy man.

[Angamb]

I blame Singer for signing James too.

Its fine that he wanted to direct Superman, but he knew James's Cyclops was pivotal to Phoenix saga, so he should have respected that not signing him, so James would have been 100% free for X-Men.

And lets not forget that he wanted Shawn for Jimmy Olsen too.... so it was all a bit suspicious. Maybe Singer tried his best to stop Fox rushing the movie, so maybe they would have waited for him as a final smart decision. But sadly it didnt work for Singer.

Im not sure if his decision was intentional, but Singer should have considered the consequences seriously. Wanting it or not, Singer had some fault in Cyclops role in X3 too.

[xDOFPx]

They had no intention of doing the Phoenix saga unless Singer pushed for it. Rothman didn't want Cyclops be pivotal so it's irrelevant that James was on Superman as well. Rothman wasn't doing the Phoenix saga after Singer left and he never liked Cyclops. It was only under Singer he would have ever have gotten the bigger role in X3.

[X-Maniac]

Originally Posted by xDOFPx

He didn't quit the franchise. He was fired by Rothman for daring to work for two studios. He was planning to do both Superman and X3 one after the other and would have if Fox hadn't gotten greedy and refused to wait a year. They literally rushed out X3 which is why Vaughn quit as it wasn't near to being a finished product. That is why X3 was so crap. Fox and Ratner are the ones to blame. I gladly would have waited till 2007 to get a real sequel and not that imposter of a movie we got.

Cyclops would have had a bigger part and so would Rogue if Fox hadn't rushed production so the schedule clashed for the actors. Rothman was a vindictive and greedy man.

However, if Superman Returns had relaunched the franchise the way that Warner Bros hoped, they would have quickly signed Singer for a Superman sequel and he would never have returned to Fox to do his X3.

[Angamb]

yes if Fox would have signed him in 2005 to shot it in 2006, since their contract would be the first.

[CyclopsWasRight]

Did Singer swipe Marsden or did he give him another job after he was written to be killed off early on?

[Angamb]

Writers decided to kill him off because of Superman.

So if Singer wouldnt have signed him, James would have been present during the whole movie, and even in the final battle.

Of course he wouldnt be the lead actor, but he would have had a pivotal role and more scenes, thats for sure.