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Old 12-05-2013, 10:03 PM   #851
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Is it just me or is Fox really desperate for attention and one-upping everyone? Every new announcement seems to be released very close to news released regarding other superhero films. In some cases, they announce things on the same day as another studio.

Whedon announces Quicksilver for Avengers 2. A few days/weeks later, Synger announces Quicksilver for DOFP.
The DOFP trailer is released around the same time as the Cap 2 trailer, if not on the same day.
Today, the TASM 2 trailer comes out and Fox announces X-Men: Apocalypse.
yeah I noticed this too. Brought it up in the TASM2 vs. Other 2014 Movie threads. It's really pathetic at this point they do it for everything Marvel or Sony do.

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Old 12-05-2013, 11:28 PM   #852
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They also announced the F4 reboot a day after Disney's announcement of their acquisition of Marvel.

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Old 12-06-2013, 04:01 AM   #853
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There's an old phrase (from Ian Fleming iirc): Once is happen-stance, twice is co-incidence.

Three times is enemy action.

Seems Fox just like trying to piss on parades.

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Old 12-06-2013, 07:31 AM   #854
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Whatever the motivations are, I find it hard to believe Fox is going to be able to produce all these films, with X-Force, Wolverine 3, and now AoA. I think it bodes well that Fox may scrap FF if they have a heavy hitter like Apocalypse due out in 2016. You have to figure Wolverine 3 will be late 2015 or early 2016, and that will definitely be cheaper to produce. That's more of the sure fire thing, and FF could merely be a placeholder for another Wolverine film. While FF seems further along than X-Force, I really can't say I'd be surprised if that moves ahead in priority soon.

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Is it just me or is Fox really desperate for attention and one-upping everyone? Every new announcement seems to be released very close to news released regarding other superhero films. In some cases, they announce things on the same day as another studio.
"Hey guys, we're still here too! Don't forget us! Please?"

It's a little pathetic. And people wonder why Fox gets no respect.

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Old 12-06-2013, 11:27 AM   #856
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"Hey guys, we're still here too! Don't forget us! Please?"

It's a little pathetic. And people wonder why Fox gets no respect.
Fox movie execs remind me of this guy

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Old 12-06-2013, 03:20 PM   #857
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They also announced the F4 reboot a day after Disney's announcement of their acquisition of Marvel.
If I recall Mark Miller started his spiel about a Fox-MCU the same day that Daredevil reverted back (or the deadline to start production at least). He basically ruled out any Fox Marvel film that wasn't X1, X2 or FC last year.

Way to go FOX....

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You don't use the whole url; just the part after the = goes in the Youtube brackets. Like this: [yt]773mIAk9Y2Q[/yt ]

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You don't use the whole url; just the part after the = goes in the Youtube brackets. Like this: [yt]773mIAk9Y2Q[/yt ]
Thanks!! Got it right but the joke is probably ruined...

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I now kinda hope Marvel gets the rights back to F4. Because it seems like Fox cares more about keeping the rights than making a good movie.

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Old 12-16-2013, 08:05 AM   #861
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Still nothing in terms of casting? Is the script even complete? I am seriously thinking Fox and Marvel are negotiating a turnover of the rights behind the scenes. I don't think Fox wants to produce this film, seeing that they have X-Men and accompanying spinoffs. Plus Marvel has been awfully quite on the Avengers front. Maybe they are planning something big in the background. Fanboy wishful thinking, but if Fox is gonna make 2015, they need a cast in place by now.

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They're not negotiating anything. I don't understand why people persist on that. Disney/Marvel has already shown they don't feel the need to buy any of the properties back.

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Yeah. I mean, I continue to believe that Fox *wants* to sell the rights back to Marvel, and likely aren't actually going to make the movie. . . but I don't think *Marvel* has anything to do with that. If the rights go back, its not going to be because Marvel negotiated with Fox. Its going to be because the rights expire due to lack of movie.

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Last I heard shooting was supposed to begin in March. Yet no one's even been officially announced.

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I'm not getting my hopes up. Fox has rushed movies into development many a times before.

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They're not negotiating anything. I don't understand why people persist on that. Disney/Marvel has already shown they don't feel the need to buy any of the properties back.
They did try to make a deal to get Galactus and Silver Surfer, they're definitelly interested, just not gonna waste a ton of money on getting them back

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Old 12-16-2013, 08:42 PM   #867
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I think that negotiation is what torpedoed relations between Fox and Marvel, actually. Which is to say, I think Marvel tried to offer what they thought was a good faith deal that would benefit both companies. In return, they got spit in the face, with Fox basically going "Ha ha, now we know what you want, and because you want it, you can't have it! Even if it costs us something else!"

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Even if Marvel got the rights back, I feel like we wouldn't see FF on the big screen for quite some time. If Disney has a blueprint for the next couple of phases, they would have to find a way to squeeze in the FF somehow.

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Even if Marvel got the rights back, I feel like we wouldn't see FF on the big screen for quite some time. If Disney has a blueprint for the next couple of phases, they would have to find a way to squeeze in the FF somehow.
A rebooted FF would be the perfect film to kickoff Marvel's Phase III (edit: meant to say Phase IV) in the post-Avengers slot. It would mean waiting until 2018, but so long as I get Hulk vs. Thing on the big screen, it would be totally worth it.


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I'm not getting my hopes up. Fox has rushed movies into development many a times before.
I don't know. Marvel hasn't really gotten their phase three mapped out yet, outside of Ant-Man. You'd assume Cap and Thor will be there, but that's all that is. Assumptions. I think they need to make a splash personally. But this is looking more and more like a DD situation that just never got going. Plus how expensive would it have been to make a decent DD movie without a big actor like Batfleck? 60 million? 80 million tops? Certainly gonna have to double that with FF. So if they didn't pull the trigger then, why now? We are gonna need some movement before the end of the year, with casting finalized by January/February. Otherwise I don't see them making 2015.

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I don't know. Marvel hasn't really gotten their phase three mapped out yet, outside of Ant-Man. You'd assume Cap and Thor will be there, but that's all that is. Assumptions. I think they need to make a splash personally. But this is looking more and more like a DD situation that just never got going. Plus how expensive would it have been to make a decent DD movie without a big actor like Batfleck? 60 million? 80 million tops? Certainly gonna have to double that with FF. So if they didn't pull the trigger then, why now? We are gonna need some movement before the end of the year, with casting finalized by January/February. Otherwise I don't see them making 2015.
.... Not letting the public or press know about phase does not mean marvel doesn't have chase 3 mapped out.... And their quotes would suggest otherwise

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.... Not letting the public or press know about phase does not mean marvel doesn't have chase 3 mapped out.... And their quotes would suggest otherwise
Anything unsaid can be changed or adjusted. Let these rights revert and you better believe they'll make room.

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I agree though that Marvel tipped their hand with that atrocious ploy to retake SS and Galactus. But it's not like it's the biggest kept secret that they'd like their properties back. Regardless, I am utterly confident that a FF movie sandwiched between Avengers and BvS is doomed to fail financially, so hopefully it's in both parties interest to at least extend the rights and give this thing a chance with a longer deadline. But Fox has been sitting on this for almost 7 years. At what point is enough... enough?

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Anything unsaid can be changed or adjusted. Let these rights revert and you better believe they'll make room.
Im pretty confident of that as well
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Anything unsaid can be changed or adjusted. Let these rights revert and you better believe they'll make room.
Yep. The longer range a plan is (and this goes for any company that performs long-range planning - not just Marvel) the more flexible that plan has to be. Unexpected things happen and those long-range plans need to be capable of being adjusted.

What if GOTG bombs? What if Audiences get tired of seeing Iron Man? What if someone has a great idea that isn't currently part of the long range plan? What if Marvel gets access to a character like Galactus?

No successful company sets a long term plan and then sticks to it without changing when things don't go as planned.

A long-term plan is a general guideline so that a company knows where they'd like to go - not something they are forced to adhere to when things on the ground change.

And Marvel knows better than us the details in the Fox contract and if there is a 10% chance they will get the rights in the coming years, it's a certainty they have contingencies in mind for if/when that happens.

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