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Old 10-17-2013, 12:02 AM   #926
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On the downside, I hope WB doesn't just accept any script that a woman pitches just because... you know...a woman pitched a WW movie! That's not a guarantee for success. Not even in the same room!

But WB being WB...
Oh I agree 100% with that. I still want WB to go with the absolute best pitch regardless of the gender of the pitch-maker. If it does end up being a dude that has the best pitch, then they have to go for it! The story is the most important, after all...

I'm just saying that the pitches we've heard about so far were by men and they've failed. And then we get the excuse that "WW is just hard to get right" or something like that. So I'm just wondering if maybe the best pitch could potentially come from a woman.

I mean, if frickin' Joss Whedon failed to impress the WB, and he's pretty much known for how he writes women in his stuff... I mean, that says a lot... to me, anyways...

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There is no female director who has the clout to get this made or even persuade those with the power/cash to get this made. No such woman exists right now! Not a director anyway. Someone somewhere mentioned Kathryn Bigelow but she has zero experience in the genre (a plus if you ask me) and a resume filled with good movies that didnt make much money. And probably no interest in the subject.

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There is no female director who has the clout to get this made or even persuade those with the power/cash to get this made. No such woman exists right now! Not a director anyway. Someone somewhere mentioned Kathryn Bigelow but she has zero experience in the genre (a plus if you ask me) and a resume filled with good movies that didnt make much money. And probably no interest in the subject.
Bigelow is sought after but she's turned down the chance to direct blockbusters, Amy Pascal, the head of Sony Pictures offered her the chance to direct either Bond or Spider-Man which she turned down. Getting Bigelow to direct WW would be a coup for Warner Bros.

While there aren't many female directors, there are a number of high profile female producers like Lauren Shuler Donner, Gale Ann Hurd, Deb Synder who have been involved in action films like X-Men, Terminator, Lauren Shuler Donner has mentioned she wants to be involved in a Wonder Woman film if it ever happens.

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I mean, if frickin' Joss Whedon failed to impress the WB, and he's pretty much known for how he writes women in his stuff... I mean, that says a lot... to me, anyways...
Emm,.. I wasn't impressed by Joss Whedon either. Apparently he wanted to make her some sort of jet setter and didn't like the costume.

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Hey, be fair. There is a lot to dislike about the costume.

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Oh I agree 100% with that. I still want WB to go with the absolute best pitch regardless of the gender of the pitch-maker. If it does end up being a dude that has the best pitch, then they have to go for it! The story is the most important, after all...

I'm just saying that the pitches we've heard about so far were by men and they've failed. And then we get the excuse that "WW is just hard to get right" or something like that. So I'm just wondering if maybe the best pitch could potentially come from a woman.

I mean, if frickin' Joss Whedon failed to impress the WB, and he's pretty much known for how he writes women in his stuff... I mean, that says a lot... to me, anyways...
Very possible, seeing as how the much lauded DTV is from a women writer/director team.

As for Whedon, we really don't know what happened with WB, there was no reply. If they were just unimpressed, they likely would say something, as they have for every other unimpressed pitch they've ever heard. They didn't. It wasn't Whedon going in and striking out.

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Old 10-18-2013, 06:13 PM   #933
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Emm,.. I wasn't impressed by Joss Whedon either. Apparently he wanted to make her some sort of jet setter and didn't like the costume.

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Hey, be fair. There is a lot to dislike about the costume.
To be entirely honest... I think I may be among a very small minority of fans in that I kind of want to see a totally different costume. I want it to reference the original costume, of course (the gauntlets/bracelets, the headband, the eagle, the lasso of truth, etc), so it's obvious (from more than just the name) that she's Wonder Woman, but I honestly want a costume closer to this than anything else. I realize I'm in a tiny minority on that, but whatever.

I'm not interested in being turned on by WW (I'll watch the porn parody for that). I'm interested in believing she's actually as powerful as she's portrayed, and I really think the wardrobe I linked to exudes power.

But maybe that's just me...

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Very possible, seeing as how the much lauded DTV is from a women writer/director team.

As for Whedon, we really don't know what happened with WB, there was no reply. If they were just unimpressed, they likely would say something, as they have for every other unimpressed pitch they've ever heard. They didn't. It wasn't Whedon going in and striking out.
They never replied to him?

Odd...

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I think the problem with the pitches I have head about so far people are pitching their takes on the character...she should be this or she should be that instead of pitching Wonder Woman.
She's not Ally McBeal or Angelina Jolie. She is her own character.

My pitch is this: Themyscira is home to the amazons and the final resting place of Pandora's Box (or some other mythological macguffin). The amazon's job is to guard it but it is stolen and brought to man's world. The Amazon's are tasked with retrieving it and have tryouts to see who will be the champion to go bring back the thingamabob. Diana sneaks in and wins and against her mother's wishes she becomes the champion. They discover the watchamacallit is in America so they make her an outfit that would prove to the American's that she isn't a threat (costume problem solved). In America the cult of Hades or Ares is using the box to either create Hades on Earth or World War 4. Wonder Woman comes to America, defeats the cultists, teams up with Steve Trevor, learns about the outside world and manages to stop a mystical annihilation on Man Of Steel levels. Steve convinces her to stay in man's world.
After credit scene one of the cultists sacrifices her self to the deity WW beat and get transformed into Cheetah.

Thats how I would do it.

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I think they need to have Steve Trevor crashing onto the island but could be easily explained, I think they should have Ares being kept prisoner on the island but he manages to escape but has an effect on both the island making the island temporarily visible but also disrupting anything within the same radius like Steve Trevor's plane.

I would like to see a prologue involving Hippolyta and how the Amazon ended up on the island, essentially what the animated film did but a bit longer and more akin to 300/Clash of the Titans.

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I think they need to have Steve Trevor crashing onto the island but could be easily explained, I think they should have Ares being kept prisoner on the island but he manages to escape but has an effect on both the island making the island temporarily visible but also disrupting anything within the same radius like Steve Trevor's plane.

I would like to see a prologue involving Hippolyta and how the Amazon ended up on the island, essentially what the animated film did but a bit longer and more akin to 300/Clash of the Titans.
I think if you have him crashing on the island it sets up a weaker arc of someone has to take him back. Having her have a purpose in coming to Man's world is better than escorting a downed pilot.

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I think they need to have Steve Trevor crashing onto the island but could be easily explained, I think they should have Ares being kept prisoner on the island but he manages to escape but has an effect on both the island making the island temporarily visible but also disrupting anything within the same radius like Steve Trevor's plane.

I would like to see a prologue involving Hippolyta and how the Amazon ended up on the island, essentially what the animated film did but a bit longer and more akin to 300/Clash of the Titans.
Frankly, I'd much prefer that Wonder Woman's reason for doing everything is NOT some dude... and that includes Steve Trevor. It would be better, I think, if her reason is something like what roach proposed.

If the whole movie revolves around what will become a romance, it will be a crappy movie, IMO.

Except... roach... I'd much prefer if the WB steered clear of after-credits scenes. If they're going to build continuities, they should be able to do so within the films themselves...

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it makes sense to have tournament to go after a Macguffin than to escort a guy back to Man's world.

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I'm wondering if they could do something where the tournament is already on the schedule when Steve crashes on the island. Rather than canceling the tournament, Hippolyta decides to give the victor the job of escorting Steve back and, more importantly, going after whatever MacGuffin/investigating whatever evil scheme is afoot that Steve's arrival has clued them in on.

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I'm wondering if they could do something where the tournament is already on the schedule when Steve crashes on the island. Rather than canceling the tournament, Hippolyta decides to give the victor the job of escorting Steve back and, more importantly, going after whatever MacGuffin/investigating whatever evil scheme is afoot that Steve's arrival has clued them in on.
I think you miss out on the mom not wanting the daughter to do the tournament because the winner goes on an important, deadly mission. Having Steve crash on the island and escorting him back while looking for the Macguffin muddles the story. It makes too many coincidences that audiences hate.
Also by changing Steve Trevor from a pilot to a member of Homeland Security he now has a reason to be involved in the story other than he likes WW.

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I think you miss out on the mom not wanting the daughter to do the tournament because the winner goes on an important, deadly mission. Having Steve crash on the island and escorting him back while looking for the Macguffin muddles the story. It makes too many coincidences that audiences hate.
Also by changing Steve Trevor from a pilot to a member of Homeland Security he now has a reason to be involved in the story other than he likes WW.
Yes. So in this way, both characters have stories that are independent of each other; neither is the reason the other does what they do.

I'd much prefer that than Wonder Woman going into Man's World because she wants to know what Steve Trevor looks like when he first wakes up in the morning...

(And for the record... I'm very much aware that this is a ridiculous characterization, but it is literally how I read the "maybe Steve crashes and Diana escorts him back" idea, simply because it means that Wonder Woman's entire story revolves completely around Steve, which is an old and boring trope that would completely destroy Wonder Woman as a character and turn her into little better than Samus in that much-maligned reboot... I would, at the very least, prefer that any Wonder Woman film pass the dang Bechdel Test... because in real life women are a hell of a lot more complicated than the men they happen to be sharing beds with.)

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Yes. So in this way, both characters have stories that are independent of each other; neither is the reason the other does what they do.

I'd much prefer that than Wonder Woman going into Man's World because she wants to know what Steve Trevor looks like when he first wakes up...
Exactly. Wonder Woman comes to our world to find the thingie and Steve is investigating why Minotaurs are running around Los Angeles.

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I wonder if they would tie it into what happened in MOS at all? It doesn't have to be big. Maybe the Amazons are shown watching Zod's global broadcast in a scene or something like that.

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I wonder if they would tie it into what happened in MOS at all? It doesn't have to be big. Maybe the Amazons are shown watching Zod's global broadcast in a scene or something like that.
Would they have Television?

But yeah, I imagine they would... especially if Wonder Woman's first appearance will actually be in the BvS movie as I've seen hypothesized elsewhere...

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I wonder if they would tie it into what happened in MOS at all? It doesn't have to be big. Maybe the Amazons are shown watching Zod's global broadcast in a scene or something like that.
Perhaps they were preparing for war until Superman did his thing.

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Would they have Television?

But yeah, I imagine they would... especially if Wonder Woman's first appearance will actually be in the BvS movie as I've seen hypothesized elsewhere...
I would imagine that the Queen and inner council have a skrying pool that they watched the events unfold.

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Another way of going about it could be that Steve could actually be the one who informs the Amazons about the existence of this Macguffin in America. The Amazons know that this Macguffin is somewhere but they do not know the location of it until that point. Increases Steve's value to the Amazons and not having to go to America just to escort him.

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Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it can't or won't. Fans overreacting and being impatient. What else is new?
The fact is there still is no Wonder Woman production from the company that does own the rights. That's nothing new.

I think more fans should make their own fan films because it help further refine the official film. Rainfall's short doesn't have a story or any speaking roles. If fans made a film where Diana does have a foreign accent it would further resolve the superficial details we've argued here for years.

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Another way of going about it could be that Steve could actually be the one who informs the Amazons about the existence of this Macguffin in America. The Amazons know that this Macguffin is somewhere but they do not know the location of it until that point. Increases Steve's value to the Amazons and not having to go to America just to escort him.
again it muddles the story...so a pilot crash lands on the Amazon island and knows where the thingie is that they are looking for.
Making Steve a pilot you limit his use in the story. He's a pilot why is he still in the story once he gets back?
By having him be part of the US team investigating the crazy phenomenon he know has a reason to be in the story other than he likes WW.

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