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Old 09-23-2013, 05:10 PM   #126
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To protect them from Drunken Tony accidently shooting them with the repulsors or worse.

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I was surprised the Unibeam didn't just shred through the Melon and blasted a hole into the wall or one of the guests.

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Well, clearly the "reasonable" thing was to continue enabling the drunk and leave him to put a hole through some poor guest with a repulsor ray.

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Maybe the situation wasn't handled ideally, but there weren't really a lot of options for Rhodey. How do you talk sense into a guy, that already pees into his own suit and fires lethal repulsor rays in his own home as a party gag?

So he had to put the suit on. Which helped to get every guest the hell out. If some random guy tells you to leave, you're like "Pff, whatever.". When a guy in a weaponised armored suit tells you to leave, you freaking scram. And Tony was the one initiating the fight. Rhodey told him often enough to get out of the suit, and when Stark was ready to beat him around, Rhodey had no other choice but return it in kind and try to beat the some sense into him.

And it was a really contained fight. There wasn't any endangering of guests. It was basically a drunken fist fight, between two guys in super powered suits. And both shot their repulsors only once. Directly at each other. Which was not even remotely as reckless as shooting Melons in mid-air.

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Great post Nathan

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Maybe the situation wasn't handled ideally, but there weren't really a lot of options for Rhodey. How do you talk sense into a guy, that already pees into his own suit and fires lethal repulsor rays in his own home as a party gag?

So he had to put the suit on. Which helped to get every guest the hell out. If some random guy tells you to leave, you're like "Pff, whatever.". When a guy in a weaponised armored suit tells you to leave, you freaking scram. And Tony was the one initiating the fight. Rhodey told him often enough to get out of the suit, and when Stark was ready to beat him around, Rhodey had no other choice but return it in kind and try to beat the some sense into him.

And it was a really contained fight. There wasn't any endangering of guests. It was basically a drunken fist fight, between two guys in super powered suits. And both shot their repulsors only once. Directly at each other. Which was not even remotely as reckless as shooting Melons in mid-air.
Again, how did he know how to use the suit, there was no explanation for that. Also, if he had just subdued Stark, then maybe I could have bought it. But once he stole the armor, he's lost the ethical high ground.

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Well, clearly the "reasonable" thing was to continue enabling the drunk and leave him to put a hole through some poor guest with a repulsor ray.
No, no. Clearly the "reasonable" thing was to have two people in armors that could put a hole through some poor guest with a repulsor ray.

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Maybe the situation wasn't handled ideally, but there weren't really a lot of options for Rhodey. How do you talk sense into a guy, that already pees into his own suit and fires lethal repulsor rays in his own home as a party gag?

So he had to put the suit on. Which helped to get every guest the hell out. If some random guy tells you to leave, you're like "Pff, whatever.". When a guy in a weaponised armored suit tells you to leave, you freaking scram. And Tony was the one initiating the fight. Rhodey told him often enough to get out of the suit, and when Stark was ready to beat him around, Rhodey had no other choice but return it in kind and try to beat the some sense into him.

And it was a really contained fight. There wasn't any endangering of guests. It was basically a drunken fist fight, between two guys in super powered suits. And both shot their repulsors only once. Directly at each other. Which was not even remotely as reckless as shooting Melons in mid-air.
Spot on, I think IM2 is the worst of the MCU movies but I really dont get peoples problem with this scene, it all makes perfect sense and Rhodey acts accordingly to the situation.

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Again, how did he know how to use the suit, there was no explanation for that. Also, if he had just subdued Stark, then maybe I could have bought it. But once he stole the armor, he's lost the ethical high ground.
Again, as others have said, he didnt steal the armour, Tony let him take, this is clearly implied in the diner scene. Not to mention, seeing how much of a screw up Tony/Iron Man was, Rhodey realised that someone more ethical and reasonable needed to be out there protecting people in the suit, its just that the army hampered him from doing so and ordered him to allow Hammer to turn it into, well, a War Machine.

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Again, how did he know how to use the suit, there was no explanation for that.
I'm not so tech savvy, so my explanation is probably going to suck. I'd say that Stark accumulated enough field data, for the suit's systems to handle most of the operations automatically. So that even someone without the proper training, can somewhat operate the suit.

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The government was already on Stark's ass, trying to force him to hand over his suits. And Rhodey was trying his damnedest to prevent that from happening. He already told Tony that they are just looking for a reason to just storm his house with tanks and to just take the suits. And what does he do? He uses a powered weaponised armor as a party gag.

He endangered people. He couldn't be talked down and instead started a fight. He showed Rhodey that he clearly wasn't responsible enough to be entrusted with such a weapon. After that incident, no one could have stopped the military from just storming the house. So Rhodey just saved them and Tony the trouble, and left with the suit he had already on.

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Yes, and they went home... or maybe they just stayed right there, outside the room.





No, no. Clearly the "reasonable" thing was to have two people in armors that could put a hole through some poor guest with a repulsor ray.
Why is this even an issue? You say this like they unloaded all their weapons during their fight. No, for 99% of the fight they hit each other. There weren't missiles flying around or holes blasted into walls by stray repulsor rays. And in that final moment when they did use repulsor rays, they directly aimed at each other. The only way they could have put a hole into a guest, was if one jumped directly into the beam.

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Why is this even an issue? You say this like they unloaded all their weapons during their fight.
They didn't?

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No, for 99% of the fight they hit each other.
Well, ou just need that 1% to kill someone by accident.

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There weren't missiles flying around or holes blasted into walls by stray repulsor rays. And in that final moment when they did use repulsor rays, they directly aimed at each other. The only way the could have put a hole into a guest, was if one jumped directly into the beam.
Sure, it's not like that repulsor rays explosion caused any major collateral damage, right?

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Sure, it's not like that repulsor rays explosion caused any major collateral damage, right?
Still wouldn't have put a hole into a guest. At most there would have been several dozen deaths and wounded, with serious shrapnel injuries from all the glass and metal that got destroyed in the blast.

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Still wouldn't have put a hole into a guest. At most there would have been several dozen deaths and wounded, with serious shrapnel injuries from all the glass and metal that got destroyed in the blast.
Iron Man had already scared the guests away at this point though by screaming at them, so there would have been nobody there to hurt.

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Yeah, right after he plants Rhodey's face into the kitchen counter, he scares everyone away with his scream.

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The government was already on Stark's ass, trying to force him to hand over his suits. And Rhodey was trying his damnedest to prevent that from happening. He already told Tony that they are just looking for a reason to just storm his house with tanks and to just take the suits. And what does he do? He uses a powered weaponised armor as a party gag.

He endangered people. He couldn't be talked down and instead started a fight. He showed Rhodey that he clearly wasn't responsible enough to be entrusted with such a weapon. After that incident, no one could have stopped the military from just storming the house. So Rhodey just saved them and Tony the trouble, and left with the suit he had already on.
Rhodey even gives Stark a chance to shut him down before he leaves, and he just lays there.

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Iron Man had already scared the guests away at this point though by screaming at them, so there would have been nobody there to hurt.
Yet there were.

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Exactly, Tony knew what he was doing in that scene.

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No there werent, when Tony and Rhodey shoot their repulsers at each other, there is no one there. Tony had already scared them away by screaming at them.

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Exactly, Tony knew what he was doing in that scene.



No there werent, when Tony and Rhodey shoot their repulsers at each other, there is no one there. Tony had already scared them away by screaming at them.
That's true, but they had along fight befo0e pushing each other long distances and all the people were there which had endangered them enough. And of course they made a hole through the roof when Pepper and Natasha were there, and in fact they fell very close to them. Endangered people again.

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That's true, but they had along fight befo0e pushing each other long distances and all the people were there which had endangered them enough. And of course they made a hole through the roof when Pepper and Natasha were there, and in fact they fell very close to them. Endangered people again.
Most of the people were outside the house as Rhodey as told them too, yes they fell close to Pepper and Natasha, but i'm not sure either were in any real danger, and they had the warning of a crashing noise before the 2nd crashing noise when they actually went through the floor.

At the end of day this was all still Tony's fault, he should have shut down his armour when Rhodey told him to and there wouldnt have been any issue.

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Especially since, yes, the fight endangered people. . . but frankly? It endangered people less than letting Stark continue to drunk-pilot in a crowded party.

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Especially since, yes, the fight endangered people. . . but frankly? It endangered people less than letting Stark continue to drunk-pilot in a crowded party.
Exactly, someone would have been repulser blasted at some point if Stark had continued the way he did. Also, when Rhodey ordered people to get out, they should have known something was going to happen, and yet they made the choice to stick around the house and watch them fight.

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Most of the people were outside the house as Rhodey as told them too,
Yeah, that glass doors were pretty safe at stopping repulsor rays. And it's not like Tony told them to leave but just scare them because he was drunk.

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yes they fell close to Pepper and Natasha, but i'm not sure either were in any real danger,
One tonne or more of metal falling over human beings can kill them. It's really that simple. Neither Tony nor Rhodey planned to fall through the ceiling, let alone where exactly to land exactly.

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and they had the warning of a crashing noise before the 2nd crashing noise when they actually went through the floor.
Did you see that noise giving them a clue of what was going on, or even time to move if necessary?

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At the end of day this was all still Tony's fault, he should have shut down his armour when Rhodey told him to and there wouldnt have been any issue.
Of course it's Tony's fault. Thing is how to handle the situation. Getting bossy with an armed drunken man might not be a good idea. You might end up with the whole house destroyed.



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Exactly, someone would have been repulser blasted at some point if Stark had continued the way he did. Also, when Rhodey ordered people to get out, they should have known something was going to happen, and yet they made the choice to stick around the house and watch them fight.
Totally, things didn't go the way Rhodey thought them. People didn't leave, they just got out of the room and stayed there. But since Rhodey is here the only "lucid" one, he should have known that those people out there were in serious risk, no matter whose fault it is.

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This is the same film series in which when escaping from Afghanistan Tony flies into the ground, his suit EXPLODES over a three mile radius, and Tony himself is just fine. Try not to take it too seriously.

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This is the same film series in which when escaping from Afghanistan Tony flies into the ground, his suit EXPLODES over a three mile radius, and Tony himself is just fine. Try not to take it too seriously.
I am not. The suit is supposed to protect Tony, and it did, so that worked in terms of what the movie proposed. The party fight is different, since Rhodey was supposed to be concerned about those people and their safety and he endangered them as a consequence.

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My list worst to best

Captain America
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Call me crazy, but I liked Iron Man better than Avengers, and everything else better than Captain America. I was flat out bored in that movie - something that never happens to me in movies let alone comic book ones. I would say IM and Avengers are good, IM3 and Thor are watchable, and the rest are poor.

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