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Old 10-17-2013, 11:57 AM   #551
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if the same designers who worked on Iron Man and/or the Destroyer have a hand in this, I'm sure Ultron will look amazing

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I hope Ultron pretty much looks like this.


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That would be sweet. Spot on.

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I hope Ultron pretty much looks like this.

That would be optimal. I can't wait to see the reveal.

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Personally, I'm looking forward to a new version of Ultron. Hopefully they make him as distinct from the comic version(s) as possible.
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I'm guessing you'd like something like this POS

No, of course not. Why do you always trot that image out when someone talks of a redesign for Ultron? It doesn't have to be that extreme. It's possible to make a good design without a)being a slave to the original 60s artwork and b) looking like a robot dog.

Things get dated. It's okay to change them. The character portrayal is the most important thing.

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Whedon himself hinted he was gonna change up the look, he poked fun at the static expression

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I really wouldn't call Ultron a Hank Pym villain. He is an Avengers villain, who happened to have an origin of "was created by Hank Pym." He has never, to the best of my knowledge, fought Hank Pym as a solo hero, and spends quite a vast amount of time not fighting Hank Pym even in a team contest. Which is for the best, as bluntly, Ultron is in a place so far beyond Pym that its not even visible. A solo conflict would be sadly brief and/or hilariously one-sided.

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Whedon himself hinted he was gonna change up the look, he poked fun at the static expression
which freakin blows. I don't want to see a robot called Ultron. I want to see Ultron.

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"Couldn't carry a book...?" That's because he's an *ensemble* character, not a solo one. You can lobby that same bomb at Wasp, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Wonder Man, Colossus, Storm, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Iceman, Black Bolt, Human Torch, and a ton of other Marvel icons. And it won't stick to them, either.
the other poster acted like it was unforgivable that Pym had been left out of the first movie and wasn't creating Ultron; based upon his founder status. i'm just pointing out that him being a founder wasn't that big a deal. he wasn't the draw. he and jan might as well have been the wonder twins. they needed the Avengers more than the reverse. and i'd say the same for many of the other characters you listed.

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"No notable villains to speak of...?" Except the one, you know, that's headlining Avengers 2. The one *Pym* famously created.
i said villains. you listed one villain who quickly outgrew his supposed archenemy. Ultron becoming a cosmic baddie really puts him beyond Pym.

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"Stark-built evil robot hiding out in the foundation....?" ....um....who?
Arsenal. i thought that you were an Avengers fan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenal_(Marvel_Comics)
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Earth-616).jpg
http://writeups.org/img/fiche/2297.jpg

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"Pym got the story because he was available and a scientist; who for some strange reason decided to switch to a different discipline" ...what discipline switch? WTF are you talking about?
he starts out as a biochemist. he then becomes an artificial intelligence specialist. what was so hard to understand about that?

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i'm a Scott Lang fan. i'm an eric o'grady fan, second. and then there's a long list of people i'd rather see as Ant-Man besides Henry Pym. btw, i knew about Arsenal because it was also a scott lang appearance; shortly before disassembled.

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which freakin blows. I don't want to see a robot called Ultron. I want to see Ultron.
So because he doesn't look EXACTLY like he does in the comics, he's not Ultron, no just no.

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I mean he should at least look a little like him

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So because he doesn't look EXACTLY like he does in the comics, he's not Ultron, no just no.
No, that's not what I think, NOR is it what I said, wow you totally missed the point of my post.

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The classic Ultron face is an iconic - if not THE iconic - aspect of the character. It would be an absolute shame to lose that for no genuinely good or interesting reason other than change.

Plus they absolutely NAILED the face in the SDCC teaser.

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The classic Ultron face is an iconic - if not THE iconic - aspect of the character. It would be an absolute shame to lose that for no genuinely good or interesting reason other than change.

Plus they absolutely NAILED the face in the SDCC teaser.

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I really wouldn't call Ultron a Hank Pym villain. He is an Avengers villain, who happened to have an origin of "was created by Hank Pym." He has never, to the best of my knowledge, fought Hank Pym as a solo hero, and spends quite a vast amount of time not fighting Hank Pym even in a team contest. Which is for the best, as bluntly, Ultron is in a place so far beyond Pym that its not even visible. A solo conflict would be sadly brief and/or hilariously one-sided.

Ultron and Pym have a special connection that is ridiculous to deny. Hatred of Pym has always been Ultron's driving psychological motivation. The Mad Robot's Oedipus Complex has been the focus of much of his energies over the years. His desire to destroy the Avengers has been part and parcel of his desire to supplant his "father" (Pym). Ultron may have branched off into genocidal schemes but at his core he is fixated on Pym. His battles with the size-changing scientist have never been about the physical confrontation, but rather about their psychological struggles. Whedon is changing that in the film universe but that is how it was in the comics.

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Well, this is pretty much Ultron's head in the SDCC teaser (minus the round thingies):


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Ultron and Pym have a special connection that is ridiculous to deny. Hatred of Pym has always been Ultron's driving psychological motivation. The Mad Robot's Oedipus Complex has been the focus of much of his energies over the years. His desire to destroy the Avengers has been part and parcel of his desire to supplant his "father" (Pym). Ultron may have branched off into genocidal schemes but at his core he is fixated on Pym. His battles with the size-changing scientist have never been about the physical confrontation, but rather about their psychological struggles. Whedon is changing that in the film universe but that is how it was in the comics.
Agreed on all counts with respect to the comics lore. However, in the MCU-thus-far, it would make more sense for Stark to have a hand in Ultron's creation. All of Ultron's parricidal tendencies could be easily transposed onto to Stark without missing out on any important character motivations. Yes, this might be a disservice to Pym, the comic book character. But this is the MCU. And in the MCU, Stark is by far it's biggest star and is someone who has the most advanced tech, robotics and AI in the world. Pym on the other hand will yet to be introduced into the MCU at the point of A:AOU's release.

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What if Banner has a hand in his creation?

Whedon said that Hulk would have a bigger role in A2, so maybe he was referring to that weird father-son dynamic

Banner is staying at Stark's tower, and knowing he can't get rid of the ever dangerous Hulk, creates Ultron to stop Hulk, in case his superfriends can't

Of course, this is unlikely since CA:TWS will have ties to AOU (read that somewhere , cant' remember exactly)

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i said villains. you listed one villain who quickly outgrew his supposed archenemy. Ultron becoming a cosmic baddie really puts him beyond Pym.
The fact that Pym isn't a solo character puts *all* "his" villains beyond him. Pym is an Avenger. Ant-Man/Giant-Man was never a solo project; he and Wasp had a handful of appearances in Silver Age anthologies pre-Avengers, but that doesn't make them headliners in the least bit.



OMG. You dig up an Iron Man villain who had exactly *one* obscure appearance in Avengers 288 in the 70s, and act like I should know who you're talking about....? Hell, let me dig up a thousand one-shot throwaway villains like that, too, and call you out on them. Plus, you said "Stark-built," implying Tony; but that's Howard's toy, not Iron Man's.



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he starts out as a biochemist. he then becomes an artificial intelligence specialist. what was so hard to understand about that?
Pym's specialty is still biochem, and always has been. Robotics and/or nanotech became an offshoot as a result of his discovery of Pym Particles and miniaturization.



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Fair enough. I'm an *Avenger* fan, not towards any one particular member. The whole team.

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What if Banner has a hand in his creation?

Whedon said that Hulk would have a bigger role in A2, so maybe he was referring to that weird father-son dynamic

Banner is staying at Stark's tower, and knowing he can't get rid of the ever dangerous Hulk, creates Ultron to stop Hulk, in case his superfriends can't

Of course, this is unlikely since CA:TWS will have ties to AOU (read that somewhere , cant' remember exactly)
You know, this isn't bad. I kind of like Banner creating Ultron, maybe not to stop Hulk, but to take the place of Hulk so he doesn't have to be on the team anymore.

I'm still leaning toward my theory that SHIELD had Ultron in mind as "Phase 2" all along, but Banner creating him instead wouldn't hurt my feelings at all.

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You know, this isn't bad. I kind of like Banner creating Ultron, maybe not to stop Hulk, but to take the place of Hulk so he doesn't have to be on the team anymore.

I'm still leaning toward my theory that SHIELD had Ultron in mind as "Phase 2" all along, but Banner creating him instead wouldn't hurt my feelings at all.
Yeah SHIELD/World Council/govt is still my number 1 theory

Things are gonna start to get interesting in CA:TWS imo

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Agreed on all counts with respect to the comics lore. However, in the MCU-thus-far, it would make more sense for Stark to have a hand in Ultron's creation. All of Ultron's parricidal tendencies could be easily transposed onto to Stark without missing out on any important character motivations. Yes, this might be a disservice to Pym, the comic book character. But this is the MCU. And in the MCU, Stark is by far it's biggest star and is someone who has the most advanced tech, robotics and AI in the world. Pym on the other hand will yet to be introduced into the MCU at the point of A:AOU's release.
Making Tony responsible is the worst idea possible IMO. There is a part of tragedy that comes with Pym being the creator of Ultron. Hank is generally a good guy and a pacifist to a certain extent. He has good intentions and his most passionate attempt at making the world a better place instead ends up creating a killing AI machine responsible for the deaths of many. His marriage also falls in the process of that. Despite all his fails, he still tries his best to redeem himself for creating Ultron.

Tony isn't like that. He is the biggest ***hole in the Marvel universe. That's not to say he isn't likeable, since we like him because of that. But do you really want to make the biggest ***hole in the Marvel universe be responsible for all the murders that will be committed by someone like Ultron? It is a horrible idea IMO. We would be back to the Post-Civil War times where everyone hated Iron Man.

It's not even that hard to connect Hank with Ultron, even if he doesn't appear in the film (which is stupid in the first place since him and Wasp are arguably the most important Avengers after the Big 3 but I digress). All you need is a throwaway line from Tony/SHIELD/whoever creates Ultron that they purchased/got the tech from a guy named Pym or something like that. Ant-Man is coming out the same summer as A:AOU for crying out loud. And what is even the point of bringing in Hank in Phase 3 if they've essentially robbed him of everything by then?

Even without Hank, it's still stupid to make Tony be the creator of Ultron. Even SHIELD being responsible would make more sense and would even fit the whole "The Avengers need to be separate from SHIELD to succeed" theme from the first film.

But of course that they need a reason to get Tony back in the suit. What better reason than to have him feel guilt over the monster he created? Essentially ruining Pym just because they okay'd Shane Black's ending to IM3.

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Plus they absolutely NAILED the face in the SDCC teaser.
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But of course that they need a reason to get Tony back in the suit. What better reason than to have him feel guilt over the monster he created? Essentially ruining Pym just because they okay'd Shane Black's ending to IM3.
I would think Tony would jump into the suit when the rest of the Avengers need his help, even if he didn't screw anything up.

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oh you guys lol. Just wait till both age of ultron, and ant-man comes out till we start *****ing about Ultron's origin. I'm sure we'll be satisfied

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