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Old 11-02-2013, 05:06 PM   #501
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Isn't Supes supposed to be infinitely more intelligent than Lois?
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Brainiac is one of the most intelligent beings in the universe and Superman is able to defeat him on a regular basis. I don't know if Lois is capable of that.

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I don't think Lois's role in defeating the Kryptonians makes Supes less intelligent. Jor-el gave Lois some critical information, so naturally, she's the one to communicate it to others.

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Brainiac is one of the most intelligent beings in the universe and Superman is able to defeat him on a regular basis. I don't know if Lois is capable of that.
The solution to defeating Brainiac usually involves punching. And lots of it!

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Even Superman did not use it. He was away fighting that giant arm thing in the Indian ocean. The military used that idea. So basically the idea was the king in his case. And Lois came up with it!

Isn't Supes supposed to be infinitely more intelligent than Lois?
No. It's never been implied that Lois is less intelligent than Superman. Except when it came to never figuring out that Superman is Clark Kent. That's why that whole scenario is just stupid, and I'm glad they dispensed with it.

Besides, a good leader knows when to listen to other people's ideas, and also knows how to utilize all the members of the team in order to get the best result possible.

It's nice, because by surrounding himself with human allies that he treated as equals, it reinforced the idea of Clark's humanity.

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No. It's never been implied that Lois is less intelligent than Superman. Except when it came to never figuring out that Superman is Clark Kent. That's why that whole scenario is just stupid, and I'm glad they dispensed with it.

Besides, a good leader knows when to listen to other people's ideas, and also knows how to utilize all the members of the team in order to get the best result possible.

It's nice, because by surrounding himself with human allies that he treated as equals, it reinforced the idea of Clark's humanity.
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The solution to defeating Brainiac usually involves punching. And lots of it!
Full on brute force wouldn't be enough to stop someone like Brainiac.

Generally speaking, I never thought that Superman was vastly more intelligent than Lois. I can see why one would, but I never did.

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Have you seen "batman vs superman" parody?

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Yep. Didn't care for it. It was funny, but it was pretty much just Batman and Gordon ****ting on Superman the whole time.

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I recall reading somewhere that Superman is supposed to have super human intelligence but it is hardly ever brought up in movies or shows. On Smallville Clark couldn't tie his shoes unless someone was telling him how to do it.
In TAS he used intelligence to defeat that other dimensional villain whose name starts with an "M", I'm not even going to try and remember how it's spelled. Someone mentioned that in MOS Clark is supposed to be smart because he is reading Plato or Socrates as a teenager.

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I recall reading somewhere that Superman is supposed to have super human intelligence but it is hardly ever brought up in movies or shows. On Smallville Clark couldn't tie his shoes unless someone was telling him how to do it.
In TAS he used intelligence to defeat that other dimensional villain whose name starts with an "M", I'm not even going to try and remember how it's spelled. Someone mentioned that in MOS Clark is supposed to be smart because he is reading Plato or Socrates as a teenager.
In Lois and Clark he would go through novels or texts in a few seconds by flipping through books. It was meant to show off his super speed, that his eyes could cover so many lines and his hands could flip so many pages so quickly. But it also shows his intelligence, since it's hard for the mind to process all that text. He's also the first person to understand that Lex is evil, he also figures out some neat tricks. One time he he has to be in two places at the same time, and he uses a mirror to split his heat vision into two.

In smallville season 2, I think in the red kryptonite episode, we saw that he didn't need to spend time on his math homework. In the first episode of smallville, we saw him reading a book by Nietzsche.

His intelligence does come off in some of the DCAU features, in particular in All-Star Superman.

In MoS, I think that 9 year old Clark was reading Plato's Republic, which is mostly (entirely?) dialogues with Socrates. It would have been more meaningful if themes from that book had come up in the movie, or if Clark had lifted a quote by Plato to argue against Zod's vision.

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I always thought Kryptonians in general were supposed to be more "advanced" and evolved than humans, and just naturally more intelligent. Although I guess that aspect of his character probably changes back and forth with every interpretation.

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I always thought Kryptonians in general were supposed to be more "advanced" and evolved than humans, and just naturally more intelligent. Although I guess that aspect of his character probably changes back and forth with every interpretation.
Exactly. I love the super-intelligence (if you will). That's probably my favourite version. But there's plenty of room for other interpretations that work really well, such as what DA_Champion described above.

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In Lois and Clark he would go through novels or texts in a few seconds by flipping through books. It was meant to show off his super speed, that his eyes could cover so many lines and his hands could flip so many pages so quickly. But it also shows his intelligence, since it's hard for the mind to process all that text. He's also the first person to understand that Lex is evil, he also figures out some neat tricks. One time he he has to be in two places at the same time, and he uses a mirror to split his heat vision into two.

In smallville season 2, I think in the red kryptonite episode, we saw that he didn't need to spend time on his math homework. In the first episode of smallville, we saw him reading a book by Nietzsche.

His intelligence does come off in some of the DCAU features, in particular in All-Star Superman.

In MoS, I think that 9 year old Clark was reading Plato's Republic, which is mostly (entirely?) dialogues with Socrates. It would have been more meaningful if themes from that book had come up in the movie, or if Clark had lifted a quote by Plato to argue against Zod's vision.
I think they do these things simply as a form on name-dropping. In 'On The Road', they showed Kristen Stewart reading Proust for chrissakes!

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Disclaimer: Just a bit of harmless fun, all for a laugh, not intended to insult anyone.

Now, I love MOS. I thought the action was spectacular, and I think Cavill did a SUPERb job. I can't wait to see what he brings to the table for MOS2/BVS.

Upon watching the movie, I'd share some of my opinions with you guys

I feel sometimes, Cavill literally looks like Supes fell out of a comic book - like here for instance:



Or here:




But then, he chooses to pull a face like this:




- and it, well, just puts me right off. What is he doing here, concealing a super fart?


Also, upon re-visiting the film, there are an awful lot of moments in this film, where Cavill chooses to pull a utterly super-slappable face - like so:




"Why did you say that? No, seriously, why? That hurt me. It's not what you said, per se, it's more the way you said it"



"Wasn't me. I'd never hurt a fly. I'm the embodiment of innocence. Liiiiiike me. Looooove me. Please. Just call me Super-pup ...."



"Yes, dad, I wear tights -- and I like it. I 'will' join the London Royal Ballet, whether you like it or not. See? This? Here I go. I'm going now. Seriously. In fact, I'm going to dance my way out. Here we go. Oh yeah. And turn. You can not stop this. You can not stop this"



starts to sing: #Have you seen my childhood?"


AND ESPECIALLY THIS SUCKER AT THE END .... cringeworthy -- yuuuggghhh




Arrrrggghhhh - just makes me go --- arrrggghhh!

ALSO:

Why the hell does Cavill's Superman have to sniff in the daisies every time he flies off? Why, Cavill, why, why, why?

SNIIFFFFFFFFFFFFF....



"Oh, General. That new cologne. It soooo complements your natural musk. Wear it again, general, please? Wait, I feel ... euphoric. (thinks) Dooope!"

Dear God.


PS --- Oh and talking about dope.








...









Need I say more?



...




(Is that a fake hooter?)

Just my two cents.


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Old 11-03-2013, 06:48 AM   #517
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Disclaimer: Just a bit of harmless fun, all for a laugh, not intended to insult anyone.

Now, I love MOS. I thought the action was spectacular, and I think Cavill did a SUPERb job. I can't wait to see what he brings to the table for MOS2/BVS.

Upon watching the movie, I'd share some of my opinions with you guys

I feel sometimes, Cavill literally looks like Supes fell out of a comic book - like here for instance:



Or here:




But then, he chooses to pull a face like this:




- and it, well, just puts me right off. What is he doing here, concealing a super fart?


Also, upon re-visiting the film, there are an awful lot of moments in this film, where Cavill chooses to pull a utterly super-slappable face - like so:




"Why did you say that? No, seriously, why? That hurt me. It's not what you said, per se, it's more the way you said it. I'm the embodiment of innocence. I'd never hurt a fly. Just remember that next time, okay?"



"Liiiiiike me. Looooove me. Please. Just call me Super-pup ...."



"Yes, dad, I wear tights -- and I like it. I 'will' join the London Royal Ballet, whether you like it or not. See? This? Here I go. I'm going now. Seriously. In fact, I'm going to dance my way out. Here we go. Oh yeah. And turn. You can not stop this. You can not stop this"



starts to sing: #Have you seen my childhood?"


AND ESPECIALLY THIS SUCKER AT THE END .... cringeworthy -- yuuuggghhh




Arrrrggghhhh - just makes me go --- arrrggghhh!

ALSO:

Why the hell does Cavill's Superman have to sniff in the daisies every time he flies off? Why, Cavill, why, why, why?

SNIIFFFFFFFFFFFFF....



"Oh, General. That new cologne. It soooo complements your natural musk. Wear it again, general, please?"

Dear God.

Just my two cents.

Heh. I actually very much enjoy the expression he makes before takeoff. All of the other ones you mentioned elicit a similar reaction from me though.

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Disclaimer: Just a bit of harmless fun, all for a laugh, not intended to insult anyone.

Now, I love MOS. I thought the action was spectacular, and I think Cavill did a SUPERb job. I can't wait to see what he brings to the table for MOS2/BVS.

Upon watching the movie, I'd share some of my opinions with you guys

I feel sometimes, Cavill literally looks like Supes fell out of a comic book - like here for instance:



Or here:




But then, he chooses to pull a face like this:




- and it, well, just puts me right off. What is he doing here, concealing a super fart?


Also, upon re-visiting the film, there are an awful lot of moments in this film, where Cavill chooses to pull a utterly super-slappable face - like so:




"Why did you say that? No, seriously, why? That hurt me. It's not what you said, per se, it's more the way you said it"



"Wasn't me. I'd never hurt a fly. I'm the embodiment of innocence. Liiiiiike me. Looooove me. Please. Just call me Super-pup ...."



"Yes, dad, I wear tights -- and I like it. I 'will' join the London Royal Ballet, whether you like it or not. See? This? Here I go. I'm going now. Seriously. In fact, I'm going to dance my way out. Here we go. Oh yeah. And turn. You can not stop this. You can not stop this"



starts to sing: #Have you seen my childhood?"


AND ESPECIALLY THIS SUCKER AT THE END .... cringeworthy -- yuuuggghhh




Arrrrggghhhh - just makes me go --- arrrggghhh!

ALSO:

Why the hell does Cavill's Superman have to sniff in the daisies every time he flies off? Why, Cavill, why, why, why?

SNIIFFFFFFFFFFFFF....



"Oh, General. That new cologne. It soooo complements your natural musk. Wear it again, general, please? Wait, I feel ... euphoric. (thinks) Dooope!"

Dear God.
lol. These be funny! You can make a collage out of these! And Cavill does make some strange facial expressions, the Immortals is full of those. Though in that one, he is mostly just screaming his guts out. Even in interviews he raises one eyebrow a lot of the times which I find totally cheesy. That also kinda makes him perfect for Bond by way of Roger Moore!

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I noticed the facial expressions, too, but they actually added weight to his interpretation. Cavill is an intense dude. He takes **** serious, even like someone said, in interviews as well. He's a collected individual. His role was to play a very conflicted character, so his duty was to perform such facial expressions.

You missed one, though. The face he made to Lois before he took off to fight the World Engine was funny. Right before he says "..but it wouldn't stop me from trying.." He looks down at the ground while saying it and does a funny face there. Cracked me up. But in all seriousness, I love what Cavill adds. He's perfect for the role and stepped right out of a comic book. Look is key.

Now, we'll get to see him smile more.

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You missed one, though. The face he made to Lois before he took off to fight the World Engine was funny. Right before he says "..but it wouldn't stop me from trying.." He looks down at the ground while saying it and does a funny face there. Cracked me up. But in all seriousness, I love what Cavill adds. He's perfect for the role and stepped right out of a comic book. Look is key.

Now, we'll get to see him smile more.
I think I remember the one you're talking about. It was a furrow of the brow, almost looking bewildered and annoyed that Lois basically said he might die.

Anyway, the thing I'm taking away from those screencaps is... Those are great screencaps. They're never usually that clear, for this movie. Any others, from cool moments in the film, Verisimilitude?

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In Lois and Clark he would go through novels or texts in a few seconds by flipping through books. It was meant to show off his super speed, that his eyes could cover so many lines and his hands could flip so many pages so quickly. But it also shows his intelligence, since it's hard for the mind to process all that text. He's also the first person to understand that Lex is evil, he also figures out some neat tricks. One time he he has to be in two places at the same time, and he uses a mirror to split his heat vision into two.

In smallville season 2, I think in the red kryptonite episode, we saw that he didn't need to spend time on his math homework. In the first episode of smallville, we saw him reading a book by Nietzsche.

His intelligence does come off in some of the DCAU features, in particular in All-Star Superman.

In MoS, I think that 9 year old Clark was reading Plato's Republic, which is mostly (entirely?) dialogues with Socrates. It would have been more meaningful if themes from that book had come up in the movie, or if Clark had lifted a quote by Plato to argue against Zod's vision.
You might find this interesting.

http://bigthink.com/rightly-understo...e-man-of-steel

I've never read Republic so I can't speak for the strength of the argument. There is also a lot of plot recap.

The author also has at least one other article about it on the site.

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I noticed the facial expressions, too, but they actually added weight to his interpretation. Cavill is an intense dude. He takes **** serious, even like someone said, in interviews as well. He's a collected individual. His role was to play a very conflicted character, so his duty was to perform such facial expressions.

You missed one, though. The face he made to Lois before he took off to fight the World Engine was funny. Right before he says "..but it wouldn't stop me from trying.." He looks down at the ground while saying it and does a funny face there. Cracked me up. But in all seriousness, I love what Cavill adds. He's perfect for the role and stepped right out of a comic book. Look is key.

Now, we'll get to see him smile more.
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There is something I find very adorable about that face he makes in the pic above. I don't know why...

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It looks strange, but conveys intensity.

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