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Old 10-19-2013, 03:26 PM   #1
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One of the reasons I've been enjoying WWE booking lately is they've been involving midcarders/tag teams in the major angles whereas it seemed like in the modern era every angle was running in separate lanes. But this reminds me of the 90's/00's where midcard talent could get the rub just by being involved with the top guys.

I was listening to Stone Cold's podcast with Sean Waltman this week and he was talking about the angle with Razor that introduced him (which I think is one of the most underrated angles ever, it was such a slow burn and accomplished so many things, including a Razor Ramon face turn) and how it put him on the map.

I like Big E. He has personality and a great look and teaming him with Punk against Heyman's guys will help him get over.


Also, I highly recommend watching Bret Hart vs. Waltman (as the 1-2-3 Kid) on RAW from way back in the day, really great match (Bret's look after the first hip toss, a simple friggin LOOK on his face, just sets off this great ongoing storyline in the match).

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We all talk about Triple H and how he is now, ring wise. My question for everyone is what was your opinion of him during his prime?

I started watching wrestling early in 1999. To me, Triple H was the best in the business in 2000. It took a moment for his main-event run to click, and it was thanks to the McMahon-Hemsley storyline that solidified him. A good chunk of the MOTYs in 2000 were with him. And while it would be easy to say he had great workers as opponents, he delivered also. Great movements, storytelling, selling, promos. The man was the best.

It was after his first quad tear in 2001 that his in-ring ability took a drop. He returned larger, carrying too much muscle on his frame and it slowed him down. That and compounded with his "reign of terror" is what turned a lot of fans on him, IMO. His run in 2004 was better, as he had dropped weight and was working like he did in 2000. Then after his 2nd quad tear, it felt like he diminished again. I sometimes wonder if he started playing it safer out of self-preservation or if the fire just wasn't there anymore.

Another question...in 2000 who was better to you between the Rock and Triple H?

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You don't really need the news reports to see that Brie isn't getting over. That's as plain as day.



It's likely. There was a news report last year or so when Triple H took over NXT on how he wanted to bring back some old school methods, such as giving talents bulletpoints of topics to discuss in their their promos instead of scripting everything. That kind of thinking lets the talent develop their own style and words versus reading what someone else said.

Stuff like that, attempting to revive the tag team division, and video vignettes tell me Triple H will be good for business when he officially takes over. At least as long as he isn't booking himself in angles. NXT is probably solid WWE show every week in that it packs a lot in one hour and never drags or stalls. Start to finish. With RAW there's so much filler at times. I've enjoyed RAW the last few months but there are segments and other features that could get trimmed.
my only problem with what trips has done is advocating these long reigns of titles. Because what it's led to is guys just not defending their titles and feuds that start a week before the ppv

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my only problem with what trips has done is advocating these long reigns of titles. Because what it's led to is guys just not defending their titles and feuds that start a week before the ppv

That's just poor booking. Long title reigns is fine. There's nothing wrong with Cesaro holding the US title for 5 months. Having him lose week after week despite being a titleholder is the problem. 50/50 booking.

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Pre-quad HHH was the man. Him and The Rock in 2000 were both arguably the best in the world.

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We all talk about Triple H and how he is now, ring wise. My question for everyone is what was your opinion of him during his prime?

I started watching wrestling early in 1999. To me, Triple H was the best in the business in 2000. It took a moment for his main-event run to click, and it was thanks to the McMahon-Hemsley storyline that solidified him. A good chunk of the MOTYs in 2000 were with him. And while it would be easy to say he had great workers as opponents, he delivered also. Great movements, storytelling, selling, promos. The man was the best.

It was after his first quad tear in 2001 that his in-ring ability took a drop. He returned larger, carrying too much muscle on his frame and it slowed him down. That and compounded with his "reign of terror" is what turned a lot of fans on him, IMO. His run in 2004 was better, as he had dropped weight and was working like he did in 2000. Then after his 2nd quad tear, it felt like he diminished again. I sometimes wonder if he started playing it safer out of self-preservation or if the fire just wasn't there anymore.

Another question...in 2000 who was better to you between the Rock and Triple H?
Honestly during 2000, in some of their matches, HHH would pretty much carry The Rock in the ring. The Iron Man Match at Judgement Day is proof of that as HHH had subverted his moveset for the sake of that match. He even had a WWF Title match with Taka Michinoku that year and let Taka look like he couldnt taken the title off of him.

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I always thought their Iron Man Match in 2000 was great, but kind of overrated.

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I always thought their Iron Man Match in 2000 was great, but kind of overrated.
Well it was a Walking Resthold.......So calling it overrated wouldnt be too far off but it's still notable how much Haitch carried that match despite them both getting extremely gassed.

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We all talk about Triple H and how he is now, ring wise. My question for everyone is what was your opinion of him during his prime?

I started watching wrestling early in 1999. To me, Triple H was the best in the business in 2000. It took a moment for his main-event run to click, and it was thanks to the McMahon-Hemsley storyline that solidified him. A good chunk of the MOTYs in 2000 were with him. And while it would be easy to say he had great workers as opponents, he delivered also. Great movements, storytelling, selling, promos. The man was the best.

It was after his first quad tear in 2001 that his in-ring ability took a drop. He returned larger, carrying too much muscle on his frame and it slowed him down. That and compounded with his "reign of terror" is what turned a lot of fans on him, IMO. His run in 2004 was better, as he had dropped weight and was working like he did in 2000. Then after his 2nd quad tear, it felt like he diminished again. I sometimes wonder if he started playing it safer out of self-preservation or if the fire just wasn't there anymore.

Another question...in 2000 who was better to you between the Rock and Triple H?
From 2000 until the first quad tear Triple H was the best in the business IMO, and despite all of the Flair jokes we make about him he really was a modern Flair at that point in that he was a heel champion that could carry the show.

I also don't have the issues over the "Reign of terror" that many do as I don't think WWE had a guy that could pick up the slack, I certainly don't think RVD or Kane could have, and they tried Benoit and Goldberg to limited success. The other aspect is that the reign actually led to the creation of a new main event star in Batista, and it was done the right way, not with the 50/50 stuff, when the time came Batista beat him decisively 3 PPV's in a row.

Where Triple H lost me was 2006 when DX reformed, it was awful in every way and helped nobody. From there the 2nd quad tear saw his work take a bigger nosedive and he remained a face and his limited mobility and sagging in ring work sucked in that role, as did his character that was always a 100 times better as a heel. On top of that he damaged guys like Orton, Hardy and Punk over the following 5 years through his ego, at least as a heel there was some pay-off for those that worked with him.

This last few months is the most I've enjoyed him in 7 years and even then I don't really care about seeing him wrestle again, however I do believe that if he puts over someone like Bryan, Cody or Sheamus at Mania then him getting back in the ring for the pay-off of this angle will be worth it.

I've always thought Triple H was better than The Rock in every year they existed in the company together apart from 1998.

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It's funny 'cause it's true. Big E as IC champion would be the first time that I would care about the title since Cody dropped it.
I agree. I do hope he wins the IC strap off Axel, as a feud between the two seems to be the way they are going.

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From 2000 until the first quad tear Triple H was the best in the business IMO, and despite all of the Flair jokes we make about him he really was a modern Flair at that point in that he was a heel champion that could carry the show.

I also don't have the issues over the "Reign of terror" that many do as I don't think WWE had a guy that could pick up the slack, I certainly don't think RVD or Kane could have, and they tried Benoit and Goldberg to limited success. The other aspect is that the reign actually led to the creation of a new main event star in Batista, and it was done the right way, not with the 50/50 stuff, when the time came Batista beat him decisively 3 PPV's in a row.

Where Triple H lost me was 2006 when DX reformed, it was awful in every way and helped nobody. From there the 2nd quad tear saw his work take a bigger nosedive and he remained a face and his limited mobility and sagging in ring work sucked in that role, as did his character that was always a 100 times better as a heel. On top of that he damaged guys like Orton, Hardy and Punk over the following 5 years through his ego, at least as a heel there was some pay-off for those that worked with him.

This last few months is the most I've enjoyed him in 7 years and even then I don't really care about seeing him wrestle again, however I do believe that if he puts over someone like Bryan, Cody or Sheamus at Mania then him getting back in the ring for the pay-off of this angle will be worth it.

I've always thought Triple H was better than The Rock in every year they existed in the company together apart from 1998.
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We all talk about Triple H and how he is now, ring wise. My question for everyone is what was your opinion of him during his prime?

I started watching wrestling early in 1999. To me, Triple H was the best in the business in 2000. It took a moment for his main-event run to click, and it was thanks to the McMahon-Hemsley storyline that solidified him. A good chunk of the MOTYs in 2000 were with him. And while it would be easy to say he had great workers as opponents, he delivered also. Great movements, storytelling, selling, promos. The man was the best.

It was after his first quad tear in 2001 that his in-ring ability took a drop. He returned larger, carrying too much muscle on his frame and it slowed him down. That and compounded with his "reign of terror" is what turned a lot of fans on him, IMO. His run in 2004 was better, as he had dropped weight and was working like he did in 2000. Then after his 2nd quad tear, it felt like he diminished again. I sometimes wonder if he started playing it safer out of self-preservation or if the fire just wasn't there anymore.

Another question...in 2000 who was better to you between the Rock and Triple H?
I became a fan of the business around the same time. I always thought you were one off the Classic/Rock 'n' Roll era guys though, Sage.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I loved Triple H from 99 up until early to early-mid 2002, when it became the Trips-Steph show heading in WM18 after his return from the first quad tear. He is also, in my opinion one of the best heels to ever grace the business. I pretty much concur with Hunter in regards to Haitch. His 'regn of terror' didn't bother me as much as it did others, and there were parts of it I enjoyed.

Recently though, I've been loving him again, as we've gotten a bit more of the classic heel Haitch that I loved so much, and that I feel is what made him one of the Best.

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For those getting WWE2K14..Out of the in-game roster who will be your Top 5 most used?,I'll be playing as almost everybody in universe but my top 5 most used in universe/exhibition and online will most probably be..

#1-Goldberg(I won't use him online though cause almost every match someone will race to pick him)
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Luis: My most used will probably be:

1) My CAW
2) Retro Jericho
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4) Cesaro
5) Orton (love giving people the RKO)

I try to play every match in Universe mode, so I'll get to use everyone at least a little bit.

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Pre-quad HHH was the man. Him and The Rock in 2000 were both arguably the best in the world.
not just that but the two man power trip had alot of potential. Stone cold and Trips holding every title and bullyng everyone potential

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The Wrestling Thread gets a video package for being away 9 weeks

The Wrestling Thread shuts down, and Los Matadores show up. Coincidence?

A signed ticket to the Wrestling Thread lets you punch Pink Ranger

A sasquatch-like being has gotten through the perimeter of the Wrestling Thread

The Wrestling Thread is the voice that drives the nail

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#1-Goldberg(I won't use him online though cause almost every match someone will race to pick him)
#2-Razor Ramon
#3-Diesel
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#1: Razor Ramon

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According to reports, WWE is still planning on moving forward with the WWE Network, and as of right now people within the company are tentatively working towards a launch date of quarter one, 2014. Dave Scherer of PWInsider spoke with one source that claims a release date of February 24th, although we cannot yet confirm that information. Obviously if WWE were going to launch the highly anticipated network in early 2014, they would love to do so before WrestleMania XXX in April.

As we reported earlier this week, WWE was seeking a Supervising Producer for the network, which would indicate the Network is definitely still in progress. As of the WWE conference call in August, plans were still up in the air, with "all options" open moving forward. They have already shot multiple series with the intention of releasing them on the WWE Network. Total Divas was among the original ideas, but obviously that was released on E! to get the show out sooner. In 2012 they recorded a reality series called "Legends House" that features Roddy Piper, Jim Duggan, Pat Patterson, Tony Atlas, and other legends; the show has yet to find a home.

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Has anyone here seen Russo's most recent shoot interview on WCW 2000?

I ask because suprisingly his words didnt infuriate me like I expected but it's moreso hilarious.

He pretty much tries his best to clear his name and make it sound like people in the industry and out of it hate him for NO REASON AT ALL lol.

He even tries to make it seem like NO ONE complained backstage about his ideas to his face and David Arquette was TOTALLY onboard for the title reign.

He tries his best to convince the guy that title belts only had a feeling of prestige because we thought it was real and he's convinced that because the internet "changed everything" you can't treat the belts like that anymore.

Plus for a person that talks about "storytelling", he defends a lot of the crap he's criticized for with "Normal people would think it's funny" and/or "Did you expect it?"

I also laughed at him taking shots at Christopher Daniels for wanting to put on a 5-star match and not "be a character" when Christopher Daniels' work in Bad Influence is hilarious character work.

Man, that shoot interview was a good laugh for me and I hope he means it is his last one.

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Russo is full of crap. Characters need goals and if you damage the prestige of titles, then what the superstars are fighting for doesn't mean much. Also, swerves on occasion are good, but constant swerves are ridiculous. I think writers from a lot of shows will tell you that well done character arcs generally work better. Any hack can throw random crap at the wall.

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To me, Triple H was the best in the business in 2000. It took a moment for his main-event run to click, and it was thanks to the McMahon-Hemsley storyline that solidified him. A good chunk of the MOTYs in 2000 were with him. And while it would be easy to say he had great workers as opponents, he delivered also. Great movements, storytelling, selling, promos. The man was the best.

It was after his first quad tear in 2001 that his in-ring ability took a drop. He returned larger, carrying too much muscle on his frame and it slowed him down. That and compounded with his "reign of terror" is what turned a lot of fans on him, IMO. His run in 2004 was better, as he had dropped weight and was working like he did in 2000. Then after his 2nd quad tear, it felt like he diminished again. I sometimes wonder if he started playing it safer out of self-preservation or if the fire just wasn't there anymore.
Agreed with this.

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Decided to catch up on RAW and Smackdown a bit. Reigns/Rollins vs the Rhodes Dynasty was a great match, with a classic cluster**** vibe towards the end and fun appearance by the Big Show to cap it off. It had me marking out towards the end of it.

The 6 man on Smackdown was what it needed to be. Glad to see Goldust is still one of the better in ring performers from yesteryear, and it's great to see him wearing gold of any time, even if it is bronze. Still damn entertaining to see in the ring, and I'm still a fan for that reason.

Big E vs Punk was a damn fine match, showed a lot of Big E can bring to the table with the right competitor. There's still some growing to be done, but he's on the path to really make a mark, I think. The post match face turn was even better, because it was so simply done. Heyman is a bastard at his very best. Great promo from him, loved him quoting AC/DC.

AmDrag vs Del Rio actually makes me want to see a program between the two. Could prove to have some great matches. Tired of the Bellas.

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Is Shield coming to an end soon or does anyone think they'll remain together for a good while?,I think they may split at Survivor Series(their anniversary)or at/Raw after Royal Rumble

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