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Old 11-08-2013, 02:13 PM   #126
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To be honest Diana is the most logical option.

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Still doesn't solve the fact that she's a more boring character than the others I listed. The only good thing about Sasha is using her to tie into a later Brother Eye/Max Lord JL movie
I don't think they look at whether the character was boring or not in the comics as a determining factor for whether they'll use them in the film or not. They look at which character match the role they're trying to fill.

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To be honest Diana is the most logical option.
Only if you completely ignore smaller characters. :/

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Old 11-08-2013, 03:53 PM   #129
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Female villain?

I would like to point out, Anne Hathaway went in to audition as Harley Quinn but found out it was for Catwoman during the audition.

It may say Wonder Woman but could be for something else.

So female villain? All I got is Harley, Mercy, Shockwave (think that's her name), Talia.
You thought of Mercy and Shockwave but not of Poison Ivy?

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Old 11-08-2013, 04:20 PM   #130
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No, what I'm saying is that the other characters have to play by the rules set down by Man of Steel. It's a Sci-fi world not a superhero world, and thus characters are going to have to be reworked in order to fit that world. You can't have Gods and Mythical creatures in the Man of Steel world, it doesn't fit, it would be like having wizards in a Terminator movie. Krypton is the easiest pathway to uniformity. So no it's not lazy, it's logical and frankly brilliant because it's eliminates the need for convoluted justification as to why a character is doing something that contradicts the world set up in the previous movie. If you don't like the idea that's fine, but just because something is easier option doesn't make it lazy, if anything it makes the possibility of a better film being produced.
The thing is, imo this tying in of Themyscira to Krypton is intellectually lazy in the same way that the panspermia theory itself, that this fan-dream originates from, is intellectually lazy.

The world of DC comics is one in which there are countless species out there with superpowers relative to humans. Aside from Krypton, Maxima has superpowers, Brainiac (he's not always Kryptonian), Doomsday (not always Kryptonian), Lobo, the green lanterns, etc etc etc. Tying them all into Krypton would be bad writing.

Second, the reason the Panspermia theory fails (scientifically) is that it doesn't explain anything. It removes the problem of abiogenesis on this planet by saying life emerged on another planet, and then adds the complication that somehow bacteria made it all over the universe, which btw is completely unphysical. The truth is, if life evolved in one place, it can evolve in many places. There's very little unique in the universe, stars are fairly simple, with a broad distribution of properties sampled hundreds of billions of times. Similarly, if Kryptonians can evolve genes that will give them superpowers in certain conditions, then those genes will evolve elsewhere, no problem.

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Old 11-08-2013, 04:20 PM   #131
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No one, I repeat NO ONE should play Poison Ivy but Alexandra Breckenridge. NO ONE DENIES THIS.

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Old 11-08-2013, 04:23 PM   #132
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No one, I repeat NO ONE should play Poison Ivy but Alexandra Breckenridge. NO ONE DENIES THIS.

http://marvelswhore.tumblr.com/post/...-as-poison-ivy
I agree but i wouldn't mind Christina Hendrix.

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Old 11-08-2013, 05:03 PM   #133
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No one, I repeat NO ONE should play Poison Ivy but Alexandra Breckenridge. NO ONE DENIES THIS.

http://marvelswhore.tumblr.com/post/...-as-poison-ivy
Christina Hendrix would also be spot on, i think either one of these actresses would be perfect for the role

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Old 11-08-2013, 08:26 PM   #134
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Warner Bros. has been busy searching for “Batman vs. Superman’s” female lead, who is expected to serve as a love interest for Batman. Olga Kurylenko is the frontrunner, though Gal Gadot (“Fast & Furious 6″) and Elodie Yung (“G.I. Joe: Retaliation”) have also tested for the part and remain in contention. It’s unclear whether the coveted role is that of Wonder Woman or her alter ego Diana Prince, who is expected to make a brief appearance along with fellow DC Comics character the Flash.
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:13 PM   #135
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I would like to point out, Anne Hathaway went in to audition as Harley Quinn but found out it was for Catwoman during the audition.
I need to see this audition. Perhaps it'll be on the super special deluxe ultra edition in ten years time.

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Wonder woman makes sense, a damn alien race just tried to wipe out the planet they live on.

their invisible island would't mean much if the damn atmosphere had been altered. Those saying WW doesn't make sense are ignoring how big an influence the first film will have on this movie.

Regardless of if Batman gets more Screen Time or Superman, this movie will be a sequel to man of steel and the events that occurred in the movie not a superman sequel.

You can expect it to be a pretty damn epic battle between Sups and Batman, With Diana investigating the world of man now that man has gotten powerful enough or their actions to destroy her home, the amazonian's would need to know.
That would be a good reason for Diana to leave Themyscira and investigate what's happening.

And seeing Superman might help Barry Allen/Flash decide that he can use his powers as a superhero. As for Green Lantern, the events from MOS might bring Earth to the attention of the GL Corps.

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Old 11-08-2013, 09:44 PM   #137
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The thing is, imo this tying in of Themyscira to Krypton is intellectually lazy in the same way that the panspermia theory itself, that this fan-dream originates from, is intellectually lazy.

The world of DC comics is one in which there are countless species out there with superpowers relative to humans. Aside from Krypton, Maxima has superpowers, Brainiac (he's not always Kryptonian), Doomsday (not always Kryptonian), Lobo, the green lanterns, etc etc etc. Tying them all into Krypton would be bad writing.

Second, the reason the Panspermia theory fails (scientifically) is that it doesn't explain anything. It removes the problem of abiogenesis on this planet by saying life emerged on another planet, and then adds the complication that somehow bacteria made it all over the universe, which btw is completely unphysical. The truth is, if life evolved in one place, it can evolve in many places. There's very little unique in the universe, stars are fairly simple, with a broad distribution of properties sampled hundreds of billions of times. Similarly, if Kryptonians can evolve genes that will give them superpowers in certain conditions, then those genes will evolve elsewhere, no problem.
Another theory was that Supergirl/Kara crashing the scout ship 18,000 years ago (from the MOS Prequel comic) tied into her (or her fellow Kryptonian passenger Dev-Em) setting off and creating these superpowered races like the Amazons and Atlanteans.

I still think it's possible that the Amazons could be explained in a more sci-fi way without needing to tie it to Krypton. Themyscira is a strange, isolated society, an explanation could be made as to why they evolved differently, one that is more sci-fi.

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I reject the position that an explanation is necessary. I'll point out that they never explained why Kryptonians evolved to have superpowers under a yellow sun.

This theory is as dumb as panspermia. You are replacing the question of "why Amazons have superpowers" by saying that they got their superpowers from Kryptonians, without actually explaining why Kryptonians have superpowers. The underlying problem being tackled is the challenge of explaining superpowers in a "scifi" manner, when in fact no explanation is possible.

Similarly with panspermia, the question of how life originated on Earth is shifted away by saying that life immigrated from other planets, without actually explaining how life emerged on those other planets to begin with. The underlying problem being tackled is the challenge of explaining the origins of life using biochemistry and computer models available in 2013, which probably doesn't work.

In both cases you are actually reducing logical coherence. If every superpower in the universe comes from Kryptonian DNA, then you have added the irrationality that the potential for superpowers evolved on Krypton, and nowhere else.

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I reject the position that an explanation is necessary. I'll point out that they never explained why Kryptonians evolved to have superpowers under a yellow sun.

This theory is as dumb as panspermia. You are replacing the question of "why Amazons have superpowers" by saying that they got their superpowers from Kryptonians, without actually explaining why Kryptonians have superpowers. The underlying problem being tackled is the challenge of explaining superpowers in a "scifi" manner, when in fact no explanation is possible.

Similarly with panspermia, the question of how life originated on Earth is shifted away by saying that life immigrated from other planets, without actually explaining how life emerged on those other planets to begin with. The underlying problem being tackled is the challenge of explaining the origins of life using biochemistry and computer models available in 2013, which probably doesn't work.

In both cases you are actually reducing logical coherence. If every superpower in the universe comes from Kryptonian DNA, then you have added the irrationality that the potential for superpowers evolved on Krypton, and nowhere else.
I was just explaining what the two main Kryptonian DNA theories floating around at the time were. Then I said the Amazons didn't need to tie into Krypton. An explanation of the Amazons would still be necessary, and it can be more sci-fi, but not needing to be tied to Krypton.

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"Batman vs. Superman's female lead"? What is Amy Adams, chopped liver?

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"Batman vs. Superman's female lead"? What is Amy Adams, chopped liver?
Diana Lane would like a word.

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Apples and oranges. Martha Kent has never occupied anywhere near as central a role in the Superman mythos as Lois Lane.

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The creative staff might not really care about Diane Lane. There were rumours they wanted Josh Brolin for a lead role. If that is the case, they don't care about Lane.

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True but Ma Kent has never given me a boner like Diane Lane as Ma Kent has for some strange and bizarre reason.


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Ugh. I just threw up in my mouth a little.

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If the producers really are considering a "female lead" for this film who is not Lois Lane, to be interesting at all IMO it would have to be Wonder Woman or another superpowered or costumed female figure (even though I'm in favour of a cameo at most for Diana in this, because she deserves her own solo film).

But if the much-hyped new female lead turns out to be nothing more than some non-powered, non-costumed "love interest" for Bruce Wayne? I seriously cannot fathom the idea that they would devote precious screen time to a romance between Bruce Wayne and the next Vicki Vale/Chase Meridian/Julie Madison/Rachel Dawes type.

How about NO romance for Bruce Wayne? Frankly, few, if any, moviegoers buying a ticket to a movie called Batman vs. Superman really cares about Bruce Wayne's love life.

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But if the much-hyped new female lead turns out to be nothing more than some non-powered, non-costumed "love interest" for Bruce Wayne? I seriously cannot fathom the idea that they would devote precious screen time to a romance between Bruce Wayne and the next Vicki Vale/Chase Meridian/Julie Madison/Rachel Dawes type.

How about NO romance for Bruce Wayne? Frankly, few, if any, moviegoers buying a ticket to a movie called Batman vs. Superman really cares about Bruce Wayne's love life.
The female lead could also be a villain. If a love interest is more than just a romance like a Vicki Vale/Chase Meridian, and is tied to the larger plot, then she can be more interesting.

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If the producers really are considering a "female lead" for this film who is not Lois Lane, to be interesting at all IMO it would have to be Wonder Woman or another superpowered or costumed female figure (even though I'm in favour of a cameo at most for Diana in this, because she deserves her own solo film).

But if the much-hyped new female lead turns out to be nothing more than some non-powered, non-costumed "love interest" for Bruce Wayne? I seriously cannot fathom the idea that they would devote precious screen time to a romance between Bruce Wayne and the next Vicki Vale/Chase Meridian/Julie Madison/Rachel Dawes type.

How about NO romance for Bruce Wayne? Frankly, few, if any, moviegoers buying a ticket to a movie called Batman vs. Superman really cares about Bruce Wayne's love life.
The one and possibly only way I think it works is if the "ordinary" love interest...is also a villain.

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The one and possibly only way I think it works is if the "ordinary" love interest...is also a villain.
Come to think of it though, we just had that in "The Dark Knight Rises" where Talia was a love interest/villain.

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The one and possibly only way I think it works is if the "ordinary" love interest...is also a villain.
Major problem with this idea: This isn't supposed to be a solo Batman film. What female villain in the Batman universe has been both Batman/Bruce's love interest and a formidable foe to Superman?

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