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Old 11-05-2013, 12:43 PM   #301
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i really doubt it will be a reboot, i still think FC3 will come before a X4 from the sound of mcavoy, but in the end i think its all part of creating this universe, a guide to this universe its history and future, but as for wolverine solo film i don't think it means anything to any X-men films, it will be its own thing, wolverine will always be his own character and he has existed through the decades in this universe

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People can keep on clamoring for DoFP to reboot the franchise, but there's very little evidence to suggest that it's actually going to, and mountains of evidence suggesting that the current continuity of the franchise is going to be maintained in large part even if DoFP's events change a few things about it.

Even without having many details about the specifics of this follow-up to The Wolverine, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the fact that they're announcing it - and bringing back Mangold, Jackman, and Shuler-Donner - is a fairly big indicator that they're not abandoning the continuity they've currently established in its entirety even if they're in the process of changing a few details about it vis a vis the events of DoFP (which, based on what we've seen/been told re: DoFP, seems to be the case).

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No, there really isn't.



There's very little evidence to suggest that DoFP is 'rebooting' or 'resetting' the continuity of the franchise. It might make some changes to said continuity, but everything we know in fact points to them keeping the majority of said continuity intact and continuing to build upon it with both this third Wolverine movie as well as with X-Force.
Sorry, but we really don't know what the extent of those changes are. Based on the rumors being discussed, everything would have to come into question once again. Nor do we have any details that the Wolverine solo is building upon the continuity of The Wolverine or the altered timeline of DoFP. Sometimes you just can't fit the square peg in the round hole. It all depends on how you think DoFP is going to end, because nothing from Singer's quotes tells you to what extent things will be changed or kept as is.

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wolverine will always come before the X-men, so its not at all surprising they would want to keep this version of the character

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For the record my preference would have been keep Jackman In team X-Men films but they
obviously want to do another solo film.

Some have rail online all they want but it appears they are continuing to show they have no intrest In going the reboot road.The things most likely to be changed are origins and certain aspects of the Last stand or shall we share the non Bryan Singer X-Men films with exception of the wolverine.

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Based on the time travel story examples we know Singer looked at, what we've seen in terms of BtS images, what we were shown in the trailer, the fact that they had a chance to reboot the franchise and didn't take it, and the fact that they've just announced a follow-up to The Wolverine using the director, star, and producer of that film (a producer who has also produced every other X-film to date), everything points to them maintaining the continuity of the franchise to date even if a few specific details about said continuity are changed by the events of DoFP.

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Based on the time travel story examples we know Singer looked at, what we've seen in terms of BtS images, what we were shown in the trailer, the fact that they had a chance to reboot the franchise and didn't take it, and the fact that they've just announced a follow-up to The Wolverine using the director, star, and producer of that film (a producer who has also produced every other X-film to date), everything points to them maintaining the continuity of the franchise to date even if a few specific details about said continuity are changed by the events of DoFP.
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People can keep on clamoring for DoFP to reboot the franchise, but there's very little evidence to suggest that it's actually going to, and mountains of evidence suggesting that the current continuity of the franchise is going to be maintained in large part even if DoFP's events change a few things about it.

Even without having many details about the specifics of this follow-up to The Wolverine, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the fact that they're announcing it - and bringing back Mangold, Jackman, and Shuler-Donner - is a fairly big indicator that they're not abandoning the continuity they've currently established in its entirety even if they're in the process of changing a few details about it vis a vis the events of DoFP (which, based on what we've seen/been told re: DoFP, seems to be the case).
Much like Mission Impossible, every movie is different. It adheres to as little continuity as possible. The Wolverine and Origins were largely their own thing. Little continuity, aside from a handful of references. A lot of franchises do this with their sequels/prequels. It speaks very little as to what they may be doing in terms of expanding the main series, which The Wolverine did little to nothing to expand upon.

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For the record my preference would have been keep Jackman In team X-Men films but they
obviously want to do another solo film.

Some have rail online all they want but it appears they are continuing to show they have no intrest In going the reboot road.The things most likely to be changed are origins and certain aspects of the Last stand or shall we share the non Bryan Singer X-Men films with exception of the wolverine.
That's just you picking and choosing what needs to be kept and left out. And I think Singer respects Ratner and the film makers of Origins enough that he won't somehow undo major points of TLS and Origins without convoluting the entire trilogy. There is no evidence of this whatsoever, aside from fanboy wishful thinking. You can't have it both ways.

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Much like Mission Impossible, every movie is different. It adheres to as little continuity as possible.
Every single film that has been released in the X-Franchise to date is either a direct sequel to another film in said franchise or is otherwise connected to other films in the franchise due to references.

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Every single film that has been released in the X-Franchise to date is either a direct sequel to another film in said franchise or is otherwise connected to other films in the franchise due to references.
And I don't see how that addresses the point... X-Force, Wolverine 3, FC 3, all these films can still be connected to one film or another. It doesn't mean they connect to all of them, depending on what is ignored or changed via time travel.

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Here's the definition of the word 'continuity':
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How, exactly, do the currently released films in the franchise not jive with both of these definitions?

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How, exactly, do the currently released films in the franchise not jive with both of these definitions?
Are we really going to get into another 30 pages about continuity errors, what HAS been ignored, or will be ignored in previous and future movies, or possible changes via time travel?

All I want to see is the concrete evidence of why only things fanboys don't like are going to change after DoFP? Or why 90% of the continuity is going to be kept consistent regardless of DoFP, which is about changing the past for a completely alternative future?

Why are there people that fall on all ends of these spectrums? From the OT being the actual corrected timeline, to the OT being wiped away completely? Because there is nothing definitive at this point. For every argument you make that they are keeping everything as consistent as possible, you can easily argue the opposite. There is just nothing, NOTHING, that points one way or the other.


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Are we really going to get into another 30 page about continuity errors, what HAS been ignored, or will be ignored in previous and future movies, or possible changes via time travel?
The continuity of the X-Franchise to date hasn't been perfect, but neither had the continuity of the 'prime' Star Trek universe.

The fact of the matter is that the Abrams-verse didn't need to be connected in any way to the 'prime' Trek universe because of the way that the Trek franchise handles time travel, and the only reason it did is because Abrams, Orci, and Kurtzman wanted to pay homage to the existing Trek universe while also giving themselves the room to tell practically any story they wanted to.

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All I want to see is the concrete evidence of why 90% of the continuity is going to be kept consistent regardless of DoFP, which is about changing the past for a completely alternative future?
I think everything I've already pointed to is pretty solid evidence that they're not going to erase the current continuity.

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I just don't see how Singer is going to make the changes some fans are asking for without seriously compromising the events of the trilogy. If time travel is the method they use to resurrect characters like Cyke and Jean, plus any dead characters from the dystopian future, then that is a form of lazy story telling to an extent. But I think the concept can work if they can make it work thematically and within the time travel rules Singer sets. It could see them going down that road of a completely altered future, and I don't see the evidence that negates this possibility.


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there is a string of events that brought on the fate of cyclops and jean, you can't undo X3 and not any of the previous, if cyclops and jean are back thats means things have happened differently and thats how they are still alive

there could be similarities in which the characters paths went the same direction but overall there will be details that won't match

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^^^ Also, if Magneto is somehow changed or reformed if he somehow feels he is responsible for the future that is brought about, then all his actions in the OT make ZERO sense. None of it would have happened in that manner.

But it's just one possibility...

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The sequel to The Wolverine is currently in negotiations right now. I doubt the sequel will be a fresh start/reboot to Wolverine. So the reboot is not happening anytime soon.

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I hope the these Wolverine and the X Men films just fade away. I think they'll go out with a whimper rather than a bang. I'm a fan but tired of Wolverine stealing the spotlight in every film. (Except for first class)

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Wolverine 3 could easily be set after The Wolverine but before DOFP.

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Here are some harsh truths people:

1. There won't be a total reboot, there is no way they'll throw away 13 years of movies and the excellent cast.

2. There will most likely be changes to the continuity that will be done not to please haters but to simplify things and breathe new life into the franchise.

3. Everything people want adressed WILL NOT be addressed, some might but many things just aren't important enough to address (e.g the two Emmas with diamond powers, Xavier saying Mags helped him build Cerebro.

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If the rumored ending pans out
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wolverine's mind returns to 2023 to find school operating with both Xavier and Magneto there.And wolverine seeing Cyclops,Jean,and STorm at mansion


Then the reboot people may get their wish In a Trek 2009 like situation.

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Then the reboot people may get their wish In a Trek 2009 like situation.
You're still wrong about this when considering the rote definition of a reboot. Yes, some things will retconned as with Trek, and it is a soft reboot per say, but they will still adhere to basic timeline continuities. You won't see McAvoys Xavier recruiting an Iceman who is a few years younger than him.

But there are many ways to go about a new series of X-Men films without rehashing these elements. As long as Fox is doing these films, they are not going to rehash Xavier/Magneto's story any time soon. Heck, based on that ending, a FC 3 will be pointless. No wonder they are considering Wolverine 3 again. Probably cheaper than a FC 3 at this point, aside from Jackman's salary.

I expect Fox to revert back to spinoffs for a bit, unless DoFP makes a billion plus and they want to do more films with the OT cast. If not, I think they will revisit McAvoy's availability in a few years time, and try to negotiate another multipicture deal with a new set of young actors. But it's not technically a reboot per say, since they'd be adhering to the continuity of FC and 1973 DoFP timelines.

I'll propose another question; is there another noteworthy X-Men story you can do with the FC cast that doesn't involve the recruitment of Jean, Cyke, and Storm? That's too many other actors you'd need to bring in, which is pointless when you already have four young stars that would want maximum screen time. Could you do a Sinister or Gambit movie, and maybe end the film with the recruitment of Jean/Scott, played by actors that can easily be replaced in the future (ala the actors playing the younger versions of Jean/Scott from TLS and Origins)?


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You're still wrong about this when considering the rote definition of a reboot. Yes, some things will retconned as with Trek, and it is a soft reboot per say, but they will still adhere to basic timeline continuities. You won't see McAvoys Xavier recruiting an Iceman who is a few years younger than him.

But there are many ways to go about a new series of X-Men films without rehashing these elements. As long as Fox is doing these films, they are not going to rehash Xavier/Magneto's story any time soon. Heck, based on that ending, a FC 3 will be pointless. No wonder they are considering Wolverine 3 again. Probably cheaper than a FC 3 at this point, aside from Jackman's salary.

I expect Fox to revert back to spinoffs for a bit, unless DoFP makes a billion plus and they want to do more films with the OT cast. If not, I think they will revisit McAvoy's availability in a few years time, and try to negotiate another multipicture deal with a new set of young actors. But it's not technically a reboot per say, since they'd be adhering to the continuity of FC and 1973 DoFP timelines.

I'll propose another question; is there another noteworthy X-Men story you can do with the FC cast that doesn't involve the recruitment of Jean, Cyke, and Storm? That's too many other actors you'd need to bring in, which is pointless when you already have four young stars that would want maximum screen time. Could you do a Sinister or Gambit movie, and maybe end the film with the recruitment of Jean/Scott, played by actors that can easily be replaced in the future (ala the actors playing the younger versions of Jean/Scott from TLS and Origins)?
If the ending of DOFP Is like Trek 2009 that It wipes the Ot and both wolverine from contunity I don't see them keeping consent with ages from other films.

Bryan Singer has said future of DOFP Is 2023 that places trilogy In 2012/2013.
a late 1970's or early 1980's Introduction ofr teenage Cyclops,Jean,and Storm wouldn't work .If this Is path they are going they are going to Ignore ages of
characters In non-FC films.Plus now with all history gone they will Introduce
other mutants they want to.They don't have to be bound by anything In Non-
FC films.

If this sceniro plays out the new wolverine solo film will be set In new timeline.
It may be new origin of metal In new timeline.If they are erasing the films
In DOFP no way Is new wolverine being In old timeline.

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Right this is how i see it, some are being petty minded because they are butt hurt at the possibility of continuity change but overall it doesn't mean anything for the OT in terms of another movie and i'm gonna choose my words wisely when i say this because as someone in another thread said "People love to take things and twist them to fit whatever they want here".

if there isn't a FC3 film i think DOFP is a fine film for them to end on because it seems very character focused and strong character develpment for them, but its clear mcavoy believes they will be making a 3rd movie he has said confidently at least twice and he has also spoken that his xaviers character arc is about him reaching his destiny, added with the fact they have 1 more film on contract and that there is an obvious next step for them staring you in the face which could even explain the possible return of cyclops and jean in the new timeline, but can i see it going beyond 3? i have my doubts

while with the OT the rumoured ending doesn't close a door on them, singer may end up sacrificing some continuity to do it but overall there is still life there with a fresh template they can go a new direction with maybe 1 or 2 films, and its clear singer wants the FC cast to play it believably close to the OT versions so its a believable growth so again i'l say they ain't pushing away the chance for a return

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Don't necessarily believe that is the case that no films will take place in the old timeline. There are still like 7 or so years between the airport scene and the dire future in DoFP. So they could still mess around in that time. Maybe Xavier sends Logan on a mission to investigate the Sentinels or other aspects pertaining to the future. You could bring Rogue into Wolverine 3. Or his adventures for two years traveling with Yukio. Maybe they explore Savage Land or Madripoor, which would make a lot of sense as a sequel to TLS and prequel to DoFP.

The last thing I expect is another Weapons X movie that has him getting his adamantium back. I think they will try to keep his back story with Stryker in tact, and the ways to do this have been discussed. I also don't see them merging Wolverine into FC3. I don't think JLaw would want to play second fiddle to Jackman again, and some sort of joint project doesn't seem to be the direction here. It would indicate something between TLS and DoFP if anything.


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I can gurante you If they trek 2009 with film contunity they aren't going to do another film
In old timeline.What would you point? Do another story that has nothing to do with new contunity of series? A film that ending of DOFP says now never happened?

There haven't been any Trek projects set In prime timeline since trek 2009,and unlikely there will any.The new wolverine will be set in new timeline.That defeats purpose of
new timeline hinted at by rumored ending.

I doudt they will keep wolverine out of full X_Men films because of Jennifer Lawrence,who I suspect will be done with X-Men after her 3 film deal expires,doesn't want to play second fiddle.Because Magneto will be wolverine figure most likely of FC3 and any other FC sequels based on rumored ending.

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