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Old 10-30-2013, 01:44 PM   #101
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one of the issues is "X-Factor" as a potential movie because unless Fox announces it as "Part of the X-Men Universe or X-Men Origins: X-Factor" the general audience will confuse it with a movie about the singing reality show judged by Simon Cowell and hosted by Mario Lopez (Slater from Saved by the Bell).

So I think X-Factor can be counted out as an X Spinoff...for now.

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I thought it was X-Force they were talking about as a spin off.

Personally I want X-calibur.

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one of the issues is "X-Factor" as a potential movie because unless Fox announces it as "Part of the X-Men Universe or X-Men Origins: X-Factor" the general audience will confuse it with a movie about the singing reality show judged by Simon Cowell and hosted by Mario Lopez (Slater from Saved by the Bell).

So I think X-Factor can be counted out as an X Spinoff...for now.
Although we're pretty sure Simon Cowell is a mutant.

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one of the issues is "X-Factor" as a potential movie because unless Fox announces it as "Part of the X-Men Universe or X-Men Origins: X-Factor" the general audience will confuse it with a movie about the singing reality show judged by Simon Cowell and hosted by Mario Lopez (Slater from Saved by the Bell).

So I think X-Factor can be counted out as an X Spinoff...for now.
If they ever did an X-Factor movie, they could easily change the name. Didn't they go by X-Factor Investigations for a while in the comics.

They could certainly play up the investigative angle more with the title.

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Old 10-30-2013, 01:53 PM   #105
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Although we're pretty sure Simon Cowell is a mutant.
Of course, only a mutant can wear shirts that tight.

Plus, I'd like to see Kelly Rowland as mutant.


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Back to the Future, ET and The Godfather didn't have thousands of self-contained stories to draw from.

Marvel/DC superheroes do.

It would be like ending Harry Potter movies after the second film. What a waste that would be.

and don't confuse remakes with reboots. Remakes are based only on previous movies and use the same story over and over. Reboots are based on source material outside of movies and cover mostly unexplored territory.
These movies don't have to reboot to explore yet untouched stories.

I mean look, people thought the series couldn't continue past X-Men 3. Here we are going on our 4th movie since then.

The series has more than doubled, when if was said it couldn't continue, and didn't need a reboot to happen.

People have brought reboot to the point of replacing sequels.

And hell those movies don't have source materials. Godfather is a novel.

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No. Just get a new cast and start X-Factor, X-Force or New Mutants.

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Plus, not only that, but look how many movies were already at. 7. That's a LOT for a film franchise. Franchises don't typically span that many installments. How many have even gotten to that point?

-Harry Potter
-Star Trek, and took 2 franchises to get there and that was before the reboot.
-Star Wars, going on 40 years after the fact.
-Bond
-Batman, and took 2 separate series to get there
-I guess Superman is going on 7 finally, and that took about 3 different reboots.
-bad horror flicks like Nightmare on Elm Street or Friday The 13th.

Getting this many movies in a franchise is not a common thing, so I don't know why we have such a sense of entitlement as to believe these movies should just be expected to be made forever for the rest of time.

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No. Just get a new cast and start X-Factor, X-Force or New Mutants.
Dont even have to do all that.

X-Men: First Class gave us a great opportunity to bring back Cyclops and Jean Grey at some point. X-Men: Days Of Future Past is potentially creating a parallel timeline (something I'm not a huge fan of) or opens the world back up for other possibilities going forward in the timeline.

Reboots and spinoffs aren't necessary. Selective continuity erasure isn't necessary. The franchise is set up perfectly to just go forward if they so choose.

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Getting this many movies in a franchise is not a common thing, so I don't know why we have such a sense of entitlement as to believe these movies should just be expected to be made forever for the rest of time.
Because they are willing to make them and we are willing to pay. I don't see the problem here...

Do you complain the same about the unending nature of comic books? Or, let me guess, you don't read comic books?

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Old 10-30-2013, 05:23 PM   #111
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These movies don't have to reboot to explore yet untouched stories.

I mean look, people thought the series couldn't continue past X-Men 3. Here we are going on our 4th movie since then.
Nothing is wrong with going to 4 or 5 movies. But when your actors age and salary demands go threw the roof you might as well recast and once you recast you might as well restart the continuity.

SM3 and X3 created a long list of continuity problems. Some still haunt the X-franchise.

The series has more than doubled, when if was said it couldn't continue, and didn't need a reboot to happen.

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People have brought reboot to the point of replacing sequels.

And hell those movies don't have source materials. Godfather is a novel.
When continuity problems paint the storyline in a corner, sometimes you have to start over.

and I know those movies don't have source material. But they were created as self-contained stories that could only be stretched so far. Comics can go on forever so it's wise to keep the option to reboot on the table. It gives you alot more creative freedom when you can start fresh every ten years and are not chained to past directors and writers.

The Dark Knight Trilogy is classic because at some point they decided to make it a trilogy and it works better than forcing other directors to fit Nolan's mold and continuity choices. The next trilogy and quadrilogy can explore anything. They're not married to the Nolan version.

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I don't see the continuity problems. The movie has progressed with 4 more movies. I've always felt the continuity issues are way overblown.

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Plus, not only that, but look how many movies were already at. 7. That's a LOT for a film franchise. Franchises don't typically span that many installments. How many have even gotten to that point?

-Harry Potter
-Star Trek, and took 2 franchises to get there and that was before the reboot.
-Star Wars, going on 40 years after the fact.
-Bond
-Batman, and took 2 separate series to get there
-I guess Superman is going on 7 finally, and that took about 3 different reboots.
-bad horror flicks like Nightmare on Elm Street or Friday The 13th.

Getting this many movies in a franchise is not a common thing, so I don't know why we have such a sense of entitlement as to believe these movies should just be expected to be made forever for the rest of time.
Thats because most franchises don't have a cross generational fanbase with thousands of stories to choose from.

Comics are ideal for endless franchises because the source material is endlessd and people love superheroes.

That's not entitlement talking, it's common sense.

Ending Spider-man after a few movies is burning money. There are literally dozens of great stories that can be told from that universe. Ditto for many other classic superheroes.

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I don't see the continuity problems. The movie has progressed with 4 more movies. I've always felt the continuity issues are way overblown.
You need to rewatch X-men Origins and X-men first class, then rewatch the first 2 X-men Movies.

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No. Star Trek 09 works both narratively and conceptually not because it's a time travel story, but because it's a STAR TREK time travel story.
Except it doesnt work as a narrative. Storywise its a complete mess, IMHO delving into the territory of idiotic and dumb.

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Dont even have to do all that.

X-Men: First Class gave us a great opportunity to bring back Cyclops and Jean Grey at some point. X-Men: Days Of Future Past is potentially creating a parallel timeline (something I'm not a huge fan of) or opens the world back up for other possibilities going forward in the timeline.

Reboots and spinoffs aren't necessary. Selective continuity erasure isn't necessary. The franchise is set up perfectly to just go forward if they so choose.


The OT cast is getting up there in age, but the interesting thing is they have the potential for 2 X-men franchises here.

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The OT cast is getting up there in age, but the interesting thing is they have the potential for 2 X-men franchises here.
Assuming the OT cast survives this film. It looked like they chose to send Wolvie back as a last desperate attempt for salvation.

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Assuming the OT cast survives this film. It looked like they chose to send Wolvie back as a last desperate attempt for salvation.

Yes I think most of them will die.. but some will live. Didnt Anna make comments about how'd she be up to return.

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No. Just get a new cast and start X-Factor, X-Force or New Mutants.
X-Force is in the works rights now. As I said earlier, X Factor is going to be hard to do unless you put "X-Men" in front of it or another world either in front of X Factor or behind it to avoid confusion. An X-Factor movie would probably be known by:

- X Men Origins: X-Factor
- Marvel Comics: X Factor
- X Men: X-Factor
- X Factor Investigations
- Uncanny X-Factor

Just calling them X-Factor could be confusing to the General audience, especially those that don't pay attention to movie trailers and think that the X Factor movie is a documentary about the singing show instead of an X-Men spinoff.

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Except it doesnt work as a narrative. Storywise its a complete mess, IMHO delving into the territory of idiotic and dumb.
Just because you didn't like Star Trek 09 doesn't mean it didn't work both narratively and conceptually.

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You Forget Singer didn't direct X-Men 3, his ideas for that film were actually quite awesome and it would have been shot back-to-back with an X-men 4, which would have either been a continuation of the Phoenix saga or been the final battle. The only storyarc besides this one Singe adapted was "God Loves, Man Kills" for X-Men 2, and we all know that one turned out very good, he has also shown interest in Days of Future past for a long while, so it's obvious he's gonna try to respect the story as much as he can.

Bryan Singer is no more misguided than Marvel Studios themselves.
Actually I did not forget Singer was not at the helm of X3. But it clearly carried his imprint. I don't blame him for the crapfest that was X3, but I am not interested in seeing another Wolverine-centric version of a classic storyline.

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You need to rewatch X-men Origins and X-men first class, then rewatch the first 2 X-men Movies.
I probably watch these movies far more often than most in this thread, ESPECIALLY Origins and X-Men 3.

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I don't see the continuity problems. The movie has progressed with 4 more movies. I've always felt the continuity issues are way overblown.
Me too. Sure some are confusing, but there are mostly just little ones here and there that are easily ignorable as they don't really matter in the larger context.

The only continuity thing that matters imo is xaviers ability to walk, the rest are not big.

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