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Old 05-28-2016, 06:43 PM   #1
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Default The God of Music - The Thor: Ragnarok OST Thread

Who should do the score? Personally I would love for Brian Tyler to come back as I loved his work on "The Dark World." Orchestrally, it might be my favorite MCU score.

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Supposedly Tyler is on the outs with Marvel, hence why they haven't been using his Fanfare for the last few films.

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Hoping we get something to rival Frigga's funeral theme.

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Supposedly Tyler is on the outs with Marvel, hence why they haven't been using his Fanfare for the last few films.
Really? Why's that? That's dissapointing, I really enjoy Tyler' music.

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Really? Why's that? That's dissapointing, I really enjoy Tyler' music.
I'll preface this by saying I read it on another forum, so it's not exactly an actualy source, but supposedly Tyler breached his contract in some way working on Fast 7.

I don't know how true that is, but Marvel haven't used Tyler's fanfare (which I really liked btw) in the last few films, so there must be a reason for it.

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The fanfare is still on the blurays though.

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Supposedly Tyler is on the outs with Marvel, hence why they haven't been using his Fanfare for the last few films.
Man that sucks. Loved the fanfare and I thought TDW and Iron Man 3 were some of Marvel's best scores. I did find it curious though when Marvel brought Danny Elfman to finish the AOU soundtrack that Tyler was working on. Anyone know what happened with that?

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Hoping we get something to rival Frigga's funeral theme.
Yes I loved that music. I thought that entire scene was amazing but the visuals combined with the score really made it special.

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I always found it really frustrating that Tyler said Thor needed a new theme because his character had grown. Luke is a very changed character in Return of the Jedi but did John Williams feel the need to change his theme? No. Themes are malleable. Moreover, Doyle's theme has a regality (that's not a word) and maturity that Tyler's lacks - just an all around silly decision and odd justification.

I'd rather Doyle came back but I don't think that's likely either. Third composer for the third movie? Yay for musical continuity...

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I always found it really frustrating that Tyler said Thor needed a new theme because his character had grown. Luke is a very changed character in Return of the Jedi but did John Williams feel the need to change his theme? No. Themes are malleable. Moreover, Doyle's theme has a regality (that's not a word) and maturity that Tyler's lacks - just an all around silly decision and odd justification.

I'd rather Doyle came back but I don't think that's likely either. Third composer for the third movie? Yay for musical continuity...
I think Tyler's theme fit Thor much better, even though I like Doyle's score as well. It just conveyed so much more power, and had a more old feel to it, and to me that better represents the character than the more light and airy theme from the first movie.

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I think Tyler's theme is paper thin and generic. I don't want it back at all. It can play bland heroism and nothing else. It doesn't help that it has been largely regurgitated by Tyler is subsequent scores - see Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Doyle's theme had far more weight and was integrated throughout the score so much better. It could be heroic, it could be romantic, it could be sad, optimistic... The music had as much of an arc as the character - just listen to the viola solo when Thor speaks to Odin at the end, the music alone conveys how much Thor has changed. You'd never mistake Doyle's theme for any other character but Thor, Tyler's theme could be for any hero.

Then again, Doyle is just the all around better composer.

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I disagree, weight is exactly what Tyler brought that wasn't found in Doyle's, which was very light and airy for Thor's theme. Thor is the big gun and should have a theme that brings a feeling of that power. As for generic, I think the drums set Tyler's theme apart more in that regard than Doyle's, although in the end it's just about what sounds fitting and good.

You also bring up more than Thor's theme in the two movies, which wasn't what I was talking about. Comparing overall scores Doyle has more variety, but also had more time to write than Tyler that was a late replacement. That makes for a skewed comparison. As for reusing parts in TMNT I wouldn't know since I didn't watch that movie. It doesn't make themes worse for me though, it could only affect my view of the composer himself. Just like how the main theme in Pirates of the Caribbean is great despite being ripped out of Gladiator, but one could feel that Zimmer was a bit lazy. Then again that was his last great score so I'll forgive him for that.


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I was pretty disappointed when I heard Doyle was not returning for Thor because I loved the music from the first film. I thought along with what Silvestri did for Captain America it was the best score from Phase 1. But then when I heard Tyler's score I was blown away. It was full of power and thunder. I said to myself "Now THAT sounds like Thor".

As a character I think he gave him a very recognizable theme akin to how I remember Williams' Superman and Elfman's Batman. And as much as I loved Doyle's themes I don't think they would have suited the adventurous feel of the second movie. Tyler's themes for Asgard felt far more regal, Loki's meandering motifs mirrored his character's ambiguous path towards villainy perfectly and Frigga's funeral Into Eternity was sublime. I do wish Tyler could have interwoven some part of Doyle's score somehow but he didn't and well it is what it is.

I've never watched TMNT but if Tyler did in fact regurgitate his earlier work as you claim, it doesn't detract from the earlier work - but rather the lack of originality in the newer work.

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I'd love for Doyle to come back, love his score for the first Thor film.

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