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Old 11-01-2013, 02:55 PM   #26
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Apparently there will be a special announcement on the MOS facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/manofsteel
Hoping for casting announcement, like, I don't know........who's playing Lex?!?!

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I have to say the facebook page is an odd place to make an announcement, so while I hope it's major it really will probably just be about the DVD...

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i'm sure it will be something lame.

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I think it will either have something to do with the home release (blu-ray, dvd, etc...) or they'll announce the title (at least I hope). I don't think it's going to be anything bigger than that.

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Hoping for casting announcement, like, I don't know........who's playing Lex?!?!
Hamm or Cranston
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My actual point with the reference to the Captain Marvel vs Superman fight was to show the similarity not just in tone but in detail with MoS. It really made me think that aybe Snyder watched that boring and awful cartoon, and decided to make a homage, an easter egg, to one of the few passable arcs that are mediocre rather than terrible (Cadmus).

However, the two fights are in fact quite similar. Further, the fight versus Captain Marvel is not the only time in the cartoons that Superman levels Metropolis. There are theoretically thousands of dead every couple episodes.

My conclusion from this is either that:
- the people saying they didn't like MoS because there was too much destruction, often hardcore superman fans who have watched the cartoons, are honest that they did not like MoS, but are not sophisticated enough to properly articulate the reasons why, and that they have as such converged on an incorrect explanation for their distaste;
- they're ok with seeing people killed as long as it's in a "cartoon" and swept under the rug, because then they can ignore it;

Or both.

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I would imagine Snyder, you know, has read a comic book in the last 20 years where stuff gets destroyed all the time.

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The announcement has been made.

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Yeah that sounds like fun.

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I like it!
That's cool. Next Saturday then. I think most questions answered will be softballs, but hopefully they tease something about the next movie.

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My actual point with the reference to the Captain Marvel vs Superman fight was to show the similarity not just in tone but in detail with MoS. It really made me think that aybe Snyder watched that boring and awful cartoon, and decided to make a homage, an easter egg, to one of the few passable arcs that are mediocre rather than terrible (Cadmus).

However, the two fights are in fact quite similar. Further, the fight versus Captain Marvel is not the only time in the cartoons that Superman levels Metropolis. There are theoretically thousands of dead every couple episodes.

My conclusion from this is either that:
- the people saying they didn't like MoS because there was too much destruction, often hardcore superman fans who have watched the cartoons, are honest that they did not like MoS, but are not sophisticated enough to properly articulate the reasons why, and that they have as such converged on an incorrect explanation for their distaste;
- they're ok with seeing people killed as long as it's in a "cartoon" and swept under the rug, because then they can ignore it;

Or both.
People died in the CM/Superman fight?

Not sure if you have Guard on ignore but he raise a good point, why on earth you you correlate mos to that specific episode where there is tons of superman city battles with collateral damage? Why that story in particular?

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People died in the CM/Superman fight?
They "died" in the same way that 130,000 people died in the Metropolis fight in MoS.

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Not sure if you have Guard on ignore but he raise a good point, why on earth you you correlate mos to that specific episode where there is tons of superman city battles with collateral damage? Why that story in particular?
I have Guard on ignore.

It wasn't just the violence that looked similar, I thought some of the specific shots looked the same.

Also, I'm not randomly putting in the captain marvel fight. It's relevant to me because I'm currently watching that awful cartoon beginning to end, and I saw the fight last night and that's what I was thinking.

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They "died" in the same way that 130,000 people died in the Metropolis fight in MoS.
The city was evacuated because Superman thought there was some sort of bomb there.

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The city was evacuated because Superman thought there was some sort of bomb there.
In the cartoon?

The fighting began within a minute of Superman telling people to run, and then they destroyed entire buildings spread over a vast distance.

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The city hadn't been inhabited yet, the only people who needed to run were the people present at the unveiling of the city.

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I think it's interesting that Superman is in opposing positions in those scenes.

Superman = Captain Marvel
Zod = Superman

I don't think Superman can be viewed as negatively in both instances unless everyone is looked at with the same negativity.

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My actual point with the reference to the Captain Marvel vs Superman fight was to show the similarity not just in tone but in detail with MoS. It really made me think that aybe Snyder watched that boring and awful cartoon, and decided to make a homage, an easter egg, to one of the few passable arcs that are mediocre rather than terrible (Cadmus).

However, the two fights are in fact quite similar. Further, the fight versus Captain Marvel is not the only time in the cartoons that Superman levels Metropolis. There are theoretically thousands of dead every couple episodes.

My conclusion from this is either that:
- the people saying they didn't like MoS because there was too much destruction, often hardcore superman fans who have watched the cartoons, are honest that they did not like MoS, but are not sophisticated enough to properly articulate the reasons why, and that they have as such converged on an incorrect explanation for their distaste;
- they're ok with seeing people killed as long as it's in a "cartoon" and swept under the rug, because then they can ignore it;

Or both.
awful cartoon?????

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People died in the CM/Superman fight?

Not sure if you have Guard on ignore but he raise a good point, why on earth you you correlate mos to that specific episode where there is tons of superman city battles with collateral damage? Why that story in particular?
he puts people on ignore that combat his theories with knowledge. I am on his ignore too.

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Apparently there will be a special announcement on the MOS facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/manofsteel
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They "died" in the same way that 130,000 people died in the Metropolis fight in MoS.


I have Guard on ignore.

It wasn't just the violence that looked similar, I thought some of the specific shots looked the same.

Also, I'm not randomly putting in the captain marvel fight. It's relevant to me because I'm currently watching that awful cartoon beginning to end, and I saw the fight last night and that's what I was thinking.

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Not right at all.. Most casualties of MOS were cause the WE.. when Superman and Zod started to fight, most of buildings were abandoned few moments ago... not the same as Jl episode which is only the fight between supes and shazam

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My actual point with the reference to the Captain Marvel vs Superman fight was to show the similarity not just in tone but in detail with MoS. It really made me think that aybe Snyder watched that boring and awful cartoon, and decided to make a homage, an easter egg, to one of the few passable arcs that are mediocre rather than terrible (Cadmus).
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However, the two fights are in fact quite similar. Further, the fight versus Captain Marvel is not the only time in the cartoons that Superman levels Metropolis. There are theoretically thousands of dead every couple episodes.
The fight with Captain Marvel didn't take place in Metropolis. It didn't even take place in an inhabited city.

And, other than the series finale where they fight Darkseid, when was there ever that much destruction in any of the fights in the DCAU?

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My conclusion from this is either that:
- the people saying they didn't like MoS because there was too much destruction, often hardcore superman fans who have watched the cartoons, are honest that they did not like MoS, but are not sophisticated enough to properly articulate the reasons why, and that they have as such converged on an incorrect explanation for their distaste;
- they're ok with seeing people killed as long as it's in a "cartoon" and swept under the rug, because then they can ignore it;

Or both.
Or because there are actually differences between the fight in the cartoon and the fight in the movie? Maybe? Maybe because it's not simply the amount of destruction, but the manner in which that destruction is framed and presented to the audience?

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I've watched Thor TDW that's my opinion from the movie:
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there's not to much to talk
bad story, meh plot, too much silly events
terrible villain (one of the lamest of Marvel)
the best parts were from Loki and some pretty good effects but nothing to say it was better or worst than IM3 both were pretty lame overall
And of course the better part is when the mid-credits appeared when one of the infinity stones make his first appearance for the upcoming from Marvel

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I think it's interesting that Superman is in opposing positions in those scenes.

Superman = Captain Marvel
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I don't think Superman can be viewed as negatively in both instances unless everyone is looked at with the same negativity.
surely you are talking about who is the aggressor and perhaps stronger, not much else. Intent goes along way imo.

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Or because there are actually differences between the fight in the cartoon and the fight in the movie? Maybe? Maybe because it's not simply the amount of destruction, but the manner in which that destruction is framed and presented to the audience?
Yes, aesthetically there are similarities but thematically they are very different.

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surely you are talking about who is the aggressor and perhaps stronger, not much else. Intent goes along way imo.
Yes, as the aggressor. Exactly.

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