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No, I also like the fact that Joker has no set origin. Every other Batman rogue has one, so it makes Joker unique. Plus, the idea that he's so crazy/deranged that even he doesn't remember who he was pre-Joker (if there even ever was a pre-Joker) and just make up/misremembers random backstories constantly, makes him much scarier/more interesting imo. So he was a psychotic gangster pre-accident, or a failed stand-up comedian, how very generic and boring.
I agree. Giving him an origin humanizes him more than I like to see. I think of him more like a force/entity that simply "is" than a human that went mad by some tragic means.

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i completely disagree, the ACE chemical bath origin is absolutely crucial. That's one of the most iconic moments in the entire mythology

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It's not necessarily crucial Rorschach2012. Iconic or not, I do agree with MrsKent that it is more interesting that there is no set origin for the Joker. That one doesn't really know why he's mad and what made him go mad. He's just a psycho. The Dark Knight didn't have him fall into a tub of chemicals to make him go mad and that Joker was successful. The fact that no one knew of his past, how to read him and that all of the stories he told were different, strange and contradicting made that Joker very successful. He was a threat, unpredictable and very dangerous with no knowledge as to what makes him so and that's more intriguing.

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I like the 1989 film origin.
Gangster betrayed by his boss, turns bleach white, finally takes over as he planned for a while.
I decided to set this up as his origin.
No sympathy, lots of crazy.

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I like both

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I don't want to see how he became the Joker.

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The Red Hood falling into a vat of chemicals in Ace Chemicals is crucial. Who was under the Red Hood is not. It could be anyone under the Red Hood, a mob boss, a comedian, laboratory worker, or whoever else the Joker believes he could have been.

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When do we get the Batfleck and Gal interview? I will buy that mag.

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i completely disagree, the ACE chemical bath origin is absolutely crucial. That's one of the most iconic moments in the entire mythology
Typically, the ACE Chemical bath (caused by Batman) is the part of the origin that remains the same. It's what comes before that changes. And it's rare (in cases like TDK), where the chemical bath isn't part of his origin.


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While I do like the non origin...they may give him an origin to separate him from Ledgers Joker.

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While I do like the non origin...they may give him an origin to separate him from Ledgers Joker.
This would be wise, imo.

I think the origin will be addressed in SS. That way, when Joker meets Bats in a Batman solo film, no backstory needed.

In fact, I would start SS with a montages of the villains' origins. Then none will be needed in the solo films.

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If you guys had to pick JUST ONE of these options, then which pair of characters are you guys more interested in seeing interact with each other the most?

Superman and Batman?

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Lex and the Joker?

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If you guys had to pick JUST ONE of these options, then which pair of characters are you guys more interested in seeing interact with each other the most?

Superman and Batman?

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Lex and the Joker?
Definitely batman and superman.

Actually, I don't really like the idea of Lex and the Joker together. They're both such "big" villains that it seems like neither would get enough attention if they were together. Neither seems like the type of villain that would want/need an alliance with the other.

Even though Bats and Supes are "big" heroes, seeing them interact doesn't take from them (if done right). They're so different in terms of background, attitudes, and powers/abilities that it speaks for their characters that they're able to function as a team.

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If you guys had to pick JUST ONE of these options, then which pair of characters are you guys more interested in seeing interact with each other the most?

Superman and Batman?

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Lex and the Joker?
when we first learned about this movie, i wanted BVS to feature Joker and Lex as the villains. But it'll be awesome to see Lex and Joker together in Suicide Squad.

i still think they've gotta be building towards a Legion of Doom centric JL movie

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Or the Joker could be some glorified cameo.

HQ letting him out of Arkham etc.

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Never been a big fan of Lex and the Joker working together. Never seems to make sense, IMO.

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Never been a big fan of Lex and the Joker working together. Never seems to make sense, IMO.
Me too. I always thought Lex would think of Joker as a lowlife freak and Joker should never be a team-player, except when using someone, as a means to an end.

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Never been a big fan of Lex and the Joker working together. Never seems to make sense, IMO.
Neither does science, but people seem to swear by that s***.

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the Batman/Superman DCAU movie handled the Lex/Joker dynamic perfectly

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What doesn't make sense? There's been stories before. It's not like they're buddies. They use eachother.

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What doesn't make sense? There's been stories before. It's not like they're buddies. They use eachother.
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It boils down to what kind of Joker they go for.

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It's just personal preference. I like when the Joker is just there and no one really knows where he came from or how he became so twisted. The first time I watched The Dark Knight, I was on edge whenever the Joker would start one of those "How I got these scars..." speeches. I kept wondering "are they gonna tell us how this maniac came to be?!" But they never did and I found that oddly poetic and appropriate for "an agent of chaos."

Edit: I was still talking about the "Joker origin vs no origin" thing. Didn't notice people had moved on, lol.

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