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Old 11-19-2013, 12:17 PM   #276
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Yeah I know that but Thanos would never under any circumstances be a henchman for Ultron. It would be the other way around. Same with Loki, The Collector and all the human terrorist organisations on that list. Curious to know why the two Iron Men are above Ultron Clones when that's what we'll most likely get

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Yeah I know that but Thanos would never under any circumstances be a henchman for Ultron. It would be the other way around. Same with Loki, The Collector and all the human terrorist organisations on that list. Curious to know why the two Iron Men are above Ultron Clones when that's what we'll most likely get
Probably because it would be a way to make Stark go back to being Iron Man

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But who'll be in the masters of evil though? There's Hammer,Abomination and???? Loki is not in this movie. Cross bones was also rumoured to be in this movie too. How many members make up the MOE though, I don't really know much about them.
Abomination, the Leader, Zola, Crossbones, Killian, maybe someone from GOTG, and Red Skull could return. Also, some villains that we don't know about yet from TWS could carry over into AoU. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch might be in the group as well. I think Hammer isn't in someone like Killian's league, he's just a cheap Stark knock-off. He's not fit for the Masters imo, but if he's included then I'm not going to complain.

I try not to focus on the comic book iterations of the Masters. Chances are, the MCU version will have its own mix of villains in the group.

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Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are probably going to start off as villains, but they will end up being the newest Avengers by the end of the movie.

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I'm thinking they might not start off as clear cut villains. Criminals, quite probably, but perhaps more in the mold of very well intentioned but ultimately cynical and ruthless people who are very skeptical of the sincerity and effectiveness of The Avengers.

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I think Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver will start out as potential risks to Shield, not necessarily allied with the Masters or Ultron. Sort of in the middle of it all. Maybe they used their powers to get away with stealing, but they were stealing to survive. Almost between good and evil, but then they get recruited to the evil side after a prison break in the beginning of the movie as they are just passing through shield's facilities, and later move back to using their powers for good.

I almost think Tony himself gets hacked in this movie, and the masters have a form of mind control that attempts to overwrite the human mind/memories like a computer, their system of mind control for winter soldier is a combination of hypnotism tricks and technology that can fill the empty slot in the mind and attack the parts of the brain that store memory... Killian knew what EVERY area of the brain did... The human mind operates a lot like a computer. Winter Soldier might not yet be updated to Zola's newest forms of the mind control that will completely erase Bucky's memories if he is brought back into Hydra... Unbeknownst to us the Mandarin has now stopped Tony's old bad dreams, and found an opening into his subconscious. The subconscious mind often doesn't know what the other side is doing. Tony makes bad choices throughout the movie and gets less screentime in the suit and less fights to give other characters more time... Almost becoming like a villain more so than Scarlett witch and Quicksilver, like the Hawkeye for this movie, but never fighting the other members.

After Shield is left in shambles and Pierce is outed as a villain, Fury may still be on the run and there is no one to direct Shield except for Maria Hill... Although I don't think a full civil war will happen, I think we're seeing a lead up to civil war elements, however much of it has been manipulated by Ultron and the Masters. It never becomes a full civil war because of Scarlet's reality altering powers, and Ultron wanting to make this time the Age of Ultron. Stark's father had a hand in starting Shield... In their darkest hour they might turn to Stark as more than a consultant. Stark thinks he can fix the problems within Sheild and with the world... but does not know his mind is being manipulated subconsciously and believes he is making the right choices.

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I do want a prison breakout in AoU, but it might be too much. TDW had a dungeon breakout, I think GOTG will have a prison breakout and then add a SHIELD prison breakout in AoU. I wouldn't mind it, but I can see how some people would find it repetitive.

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Abomination, the Leader, Zola, Crossbones, Killian, maybe someone from GOTG, and Red Skull could return. Also, some villains that we don't know about yet from TWS could carry over into AoU. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch might be in the group as well. I think Hammer isn't in someone like Killian's league, he's just a cheap Stark knock-off. He's not fit for the Masters imo, but if he's included then I'm not going to complain.

I try not to focus on the comic book iterations of the Masters. Chances are, the MCU version will have its own mix of villains in the group.
What I would love if this is the route they go, depending on how TWS ends, maybe the Winter Soldier, who at least has some partial recovery from his brainwashing, maybe turned himself in to SHIELD and is in prison with these other baddies. If there's an Ultron-organized prison breakout of some sort with the above characters, then WS/Bucky could work with them on the inside while trying to help Cap and the rest of the Avengers, for a neat little redemption arc.

I think I may just want more Bucky onscreen time though, that's just me.

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I do want a prison breakout in AoU, but it might be too much. TDW had a dungeon breakout, I think GOTG will have a prison breakout and then add a SHIELD prison breakout in AoU. I wouldn't mind it, but I can see how some people would find it repetitive.
i, at least, want to know that SHIELD has some kind of top secret prison where they are housing some of the freakier villains (i.e. Blonsky).

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What I would love if this is the route they go, depending on how TWS ends, maybe the Winter Soldier, who at least has some partial recovery from his brainwashing, maybe turned himself in to SHIELD and is in prison with these other baddies. If there's an Ultron-organized prison breakout of some sort with the above characters, then WS/Bucky could work with them on the inside while trying to help Cap and the rest of the Avengers, for a neat little redemption arc.

I think I may just want more Bucky onscreen time though, that's just me.
I think that would be cool to see. I'd like it.
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i, at least, want to know that SHIELD has some kind of top secret prison where they are housing some of the freakier villains (i.e. Blonsky).
Yeah, I agree. We already know from AoS(Graviton episode) that SHIELD has vaults where they store tech and whatever else they find from past cases. So there has to be a super-villain prison somewhere. We know that the Triskelion is going to be in TWS and it was also mentioned last week in AoS. In the comics it's SHIELD's island HQ and there's a prison in it as well. Hopefully it's the same case in the MCU, because I'm pretty sure the Triskelion will also appear in AoU if it isn't destroyed in TWS. It would be perfect for the big breakout. Plenty of SHIELD agents there to fight, as well as the Avengers.

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I love Hawkeye and he's badass. Matt Fraction's run on him is brilliant. I've said it before, those who think Hawkeye is lame should read that series. Yeah he got under utilized in The Avengers but Joss said he'll have a bigger role in A:AOU.
Yeah I read the first few issues of Matt's series, the art is incredible. I just can't get interested in the character though.

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Make Black Panther the Batman of the MCU...just like he is in the comics. I think the general audience will eat him up if he is.
other than being wealthy and wearing a pointy-eared black costume, i'm not sure that he's all that similar to Bruce. T'challa is heir to the throne of a xenophobic and technologically-advanced african kingdom. it's very rare that he does the super-sleuth thing. and his enemies tend to be enemies of the state/politically-motivated. it's like Coming to America w/o the comedy.

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other than being wealthy and wearing a pointy-eared black costume, i'm not sure that he's all that similar to Bruce. T'challa is heir to the throne of a xenophobic and technologically-advanced african kingdom. it's very rare that he does the super-sleuth thing. and his enemies tend to be enemies of the state/politically-motivated. it's like Coming to America w/o the comedy.
The setting is wildly different, but as far as being the guy who shows up with super-sleuth answers without actually seeing him super sleuth, T'Challa is just like Batman. In addition to having the same omni-skillset and resources (Lots of money, lots of training in all disciplines, lots of gadgets), they're both referred to as royalty in their setting/domain, which they are extremely territorial over. Aside from Wakanda's threats being largely external and Gotham's threats being internal, their differences are completely superficial. I guess T'Challa deal with mystical stuff more often, but that's about it. I think Priest actually lampshaded it pretty hard when he gave him a robin-colored sidekick for a couple issues.

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