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Old 12-20-2013, 04:11 PM   #801
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In "Age Of Ultron," Baron Von Strucker is the initial threat, the guy they're fighting at the start of the film. He does not have a major ongoing role in the film, but he is responsible for bringing Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch into contact with the Avengers in the first place, since they start the film working either with or or the Baron. If you look at this like a James Bond movie, Von Strucker's the bad guy they'll take care of in the pre-credits sequence before they move into the main story. Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch have a complicated journey in this film, and the question of whether they're good or bad is one of the big things driving the movie overall.

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MMmmmm seems plausible.

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I think it's important for SW and QS to be connected with a bad guy and since it can't be Magneto, Baron is a good choice. He can even be their father or he could have found them abandoned and raised them as his own children. They need the daddy issues!

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Why, is JJ Abrams directing this?

But seriously I don't see the need to crowbar a different villain in there just so they can have parental issues just because that's the way it is in teh comix!!1!

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Baron doesn't have a big role, he's just appearing at the start and then he's gone according to HitFlix. Anyways, Marvel are apparently looking at Marton Csokas and Dougray Scott for the role.

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I know, and that would make him an even worse choice for the twins father.

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I think it's important for SW and QS to be connected with a bad guy and since it can't be Magneto, Baron is a good choice. He can even be their father or he could have found them abandoned and raised them as his own children. They need the daddy issues!
Interesting you mention this because the moment I read about Von Strucker I thought his kids, the Fenris twins, might be used alongside the Maximoffs against the Avengers... Then I thought, crap, what if they're going to swap Pietro and Wanda for Andreas and Andrea... I'm not a fan of that idea so I hope that's not the case.

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Well I certainly hope not. I know I suggested it because it could make sense and Whedon might just go that route, but I hope he doesn't go that way.

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Sweet, I wonder how they'll be assembled in the first place at the start of the film. I'm guessing any potential HYDRA-related threats in Cap 2 will plant the seeds for it. Then once they're dealing with the Maximoffs they'll construct Ultron and all hell will break loose.

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Sweet, I wonder how they'll be assembled in the first place at the start of the film. I'm guessing any potential HYDRA-related threats in Cap 2 will plant the seeds for it. Then once they're dealing with the Maximoffs they'll construct Ultron and all hell will break loose.
I'm guessing we will see The Avengers reassemble in the mid-credit scene of The Winter Soldier or something because Feige did say The Winter Soldier has the biggest tie-in into AOU.

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if they are strucker's kids, i'm guessing that they are no longer part jewish.?

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Why, is JJ Abrams directing this?

But seriously I don't see the need to crowbar a different villain in there just so they can have parental issues just because that's the way it is in teh comix!!1!
Joss Whedon had daddy issues on lock before J.J. had a Bristow or a Shepard in his eye.

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I'd be totally down if Strucker turned out to be Red Skull. It's like what they tried to do with Mandarin, but instead of making someone AWESOME a nobody in disguise, they'd make a B-list villain into an A-for-AWESOME list villain.

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Baron doesn't have a big role, he's just appearing at the start and then he's gone according to HitFlix. Anyways, Marvel are apparently looking at Marton Csokas and Dougray Scott for the role.

sounds more like Baron Zemo than Strucker.

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So Strucker took over HYDRA after the Red Skull disappeared, that would make sense.

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Like that they're replacing the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants with HYDRA here. My guess is that after HYDRA resurfaces in Cap 2 the Avengers make it their mission to surpress them, which leads into Avengers 2.

And of course, seeing Von Strucker is awesome. I wonder if he'll get a cameo or after credo scene in Cap 2?

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I'm totally down for Strucker being played by Marton Csokas, if the casting rumors are true. He was awesome as Guy de Lusginan in "Kingdom of Heaven" .

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Like I said in the von Strucker thread, I'm certain von Strucker will show up in AOS and have a bigger role there than this movie (assuming AOS is still on in 2015).

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Interesting you mention this because the moment I read about Von Strucker I thought his kids, the Fenris twins, might be used alongside the Maximoffs against the Avengers... Then I thought, crap, what if they're going to swap Pietro and Wanda for Andreas and Andrea... I'm not a fan of that idea so I hope that's not the case.
Damn....I think you and TeeKay may be onto something here. "Scarlet Witch" and "Quicksilver" may not turn out to be Wanda and Pietro Maximoff at all, but Andrea and Andreas von Strucker. It'd definitely be a way to dodge the whole Magneto angle. If that turns out to be the case, I'm not sure that's a really great direction to take, either.

Plus, we get to start discussing incest again. Yay. Andrea and Andreas are even more inbred than Ultimate Wanda & Pietro.

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Interesting you mention this because the moment I read about Von Strucker I thought his kids, the Fenris twins, might be used alongside the Maximoffs against the Avengers... Then I thought, crap, what if they're going to swap Pietro and Wanda for Andreas and Andrea... I'm not a fan of that idea so I hope that's not the case.
Damn your theories sound better than mines

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Interesting you mention this because the moment I read about Von Strucker I thought his kids, the Fenris twins, might be used alongside the Maximoffs against the Avengers... Then I thought, crap, what if they're going to swap Pietro and Wanda for Andreas and Andrea... I'm not a fan of that idea so I hope that's not the case.
When I heard the Strucker rumor my first thought was that he would have the same relationship to the twins that Magneto had prior to the 80s retcon. In their first appearances at Magneto's side, Wanda & Pietro were more or less unwilling accomplices in his anti-human terrorism. He was less a father figure to them than a slavemaster who forced them to aid his Brotherhood with constant threats of punishment once they decided that they disagreed with his tactics. Eventually they broke away from Magneto's malign influence and became Avengers, of course.

Strucker could serve the same function in the narrative without actually being their biological father. The fact that he is a Nazi and Wanda & Pietro are of Jewish and Roma parentage would make the dynamic between them even more charged.

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I really wouldn't be surprised if the Maximoff's are his kids. Not going as far as to rename them Andrea and Andreas, after von Strucker's kids in the comics though.

Come to think of it, I actually don't mind that theory.

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I hope Dougray Scott gets the Von Strucker role if only to make up for him having to drop out of the Wolverine role in X-Men because MI2 had reshoots and over ran.

Have Von Strucker adopt the Maximoffs after their mother died.

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I really wouldn't be surprised if the Maximoff's are his kids. Not going as far as to rename them Andrea and Andreas, after von Strucker's kids in the comics though.

Come to think of it, I actually don't mind that theory.
Yeah, I don't think Joss would call them Andrea and Andreas. Calling them "Wanda and Pietro Von Strucker" sounds likely --- a combination of the two sets of twins.

I guess it makes sense in a lot of ways, both in-story and behind the scenes. The age difference between Olsen/Johnson and Scott or Csokas is right; gives the twins a Germanic heritage; retains the same basic storyline of the twins trying to escape an evil father and a criminal past; simplifies a *very* convoluted comic-book origin down to "terrorist leader dad does genetic experimentation on his own children, turns them into supervillains"; and bypasses the legal confusion over naming them "Maximoffs."

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