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Old 11-11-2013, 05:34 PM   #126
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Where are these stories about Rashida Jones coming from? This is the first I've heard of them.

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http://www.superheromoviesnews.com/2...unner-for.html

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My main question to this would be why didn't Ultron come out years ago then? If it is because he was incomplete, I don't think he'd carry a grudge to someone who died trying to make him in the 70s. I think it will be carried against the one who finished him. If he was shutdown due to being dangerous, then Howard screwed up by not mentioning that to anyone.
Maybe he wasn't *allowed* to mention that to anyone.....

Someone in one of the Cap threads came up with an interesting question: what if Winter Soldier was sent to assassinate Howard Stark, and the car "accident" that killed him back then was no accident...?

By extension, if Zola and (Howard) Stark were working together on a black ops "Project Ultron" in the 70s, and the operation went fubar (or at least showed signs of it), how would Zola react if Howard tried to shine a light on it to get it shut down?



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The reason I would go with as his motivation (based on what we have seen so far) is so he doesn't have to be Iron Man as much. Stark knows the Chitari may still come back and threats are still out there, but at the same time he can't ignore his life anymore and make 42 different Iron Man suits waiting for the Chitari to come back. Perhaps with Banner's help (I think Banner will be involved in the creation of Ultron no matter who does it....they will have to explain his absence somehow), he tried to minimize the world's need for Iron Man. Not to retire, but so he and Pepper can live more normally. Iron Man 3 was all about removing this distractions in his life. Ultron might be an extension of that.
I dunno....I've never seen any evidence that Tony just wants to lead a normal life. He genuinely relishes his role as a superhero, so I don't see him wanting to create a proxy and fully autonomous Iron Man to do his work for him. If that was truly his goal, wouldn't he just back off and let Rhodey handle hero duty as WM/IP? Or even give him the Iron Man suit outright, as he did in the comics from time to time?

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I would rather Tony didn't create ultron. It kind of feels counter-intuitive to his arc in iron man 3 where he divorced himself from making a bunch of armours.

Plus, it's not like the mark 42s performance would inspire him to create an even more separate/autonomous design.

I'd rather he has to create a new iron man suit (come out of retirement) in order to help deal with ultron and/or the maximoffs.

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I think it's pretty clear it is going to be Stark who creates Ultron.

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ah well. as long as it doesn't negate his arc in iron man 3, i'm cool with it.

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I hope they abandon the 1.85:1 aspect ratio they used for The Avengers with this film and go back to the traditional film aspect ratio all the other films have or maybe even go with IMAX.

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I strongly agree. I think they will.

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I would rather Tony didn't create ultron. It kind of feels counter-intuitive to his arc in iron man 3 where he divorced himself from making a bunch of armours.

Plus, it's not like the mark 42s performance would inspire him to create an even more separate/autonomous design.

I'd rather he has to create a new iron man suit (come out of retirement) in order to help deal with ultron and/or the maximoffs.
I don't think Stark will willingly create Ultron, but I think his tech will be used. They already laid some of the groundwork for it by showing that he's building autonomous units that can fight his battles without him actually being in the suit. By the end of IM3, the units were controlling themselves.

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I don't think Stark will willingly create Ultron, but I think his tech will be used. They already laid some of the groundwork for it by showing that he's building autonomous units that can fight his battles without him actually being in the suit. By the end of IM3, the units were controlling themselves.
Exactly. I'm wondering if maybe, in light of the events in CA:TWS, SHIELD develops its own disaster-monitoring world security AI system -- sort of an NSA on steroids -- and then that AI hacks into Stark Industries to commandeer a suit (or build its own). It wouldn't be the first time Stark's security had been hacked.

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I would rather Tony didn't create ultron. It kind of feels counter-intuitive to his arc in iron man 3 where he divorced himself from making a bunch of armours.

Plus, it's not like the mark 42s performance would inspire him to create an even more separate/autonomous design.

I'd rather he has to create a new iron man suit (come out of retirement) in order to help deal with ultron and/or the maximoffs.
Ultron isn't a bunch of armors, so why would divorcing himself from making a bunch of armors have anything to do with Ultron? And if 42's stuff was a problem, why would he rely on it so heavily for the rest of the film?

His arc in IM3 was specifically about divorcing himself from wearing a suit though, that "I am Iron Man" even without the suit. So that actually would be counter-intuitive to his arc, to just make another suit, when he found out he can be more effective letting an AI handle the armor and just directing it as needed, and he doesn't have any need to be in the armor himself to feel like Iron Man.

Now, of course he will make a suit when that backfires, but it would totally ignore his IM3 arc, which starts and ends with him controlling armors remotely, for him to just make another suit, especially if it involves leaving Pepper to go fight when he can just have JARVIS or some other AI handle it.

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Ultron won't be a suit that he builds. It will most likely be a robot with an AI that then goes berserk for whatever reason. That would be a acceptable progression of his character arc from IM 3.

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Ultron isn't a bunch of armors, so why would divorcing himself from making a bunch of armors have anything to do with Ultron? And if 42's stuff was a problem, why would he rely on it so heavily for the rest of the film?

His arc in IM3 was specifically about divorcing himself from wearing a suit though, that "I am Iron Man" even without the suit. So that actually would be counter-intuitive to his arc, to just make another suit, when he found out he can be more effective letting an AI handle the armor and just directing it as needed, and he doesn't have any need to be in the armor himself to feel like Iron Man.

Now, of course he will make a suit when that backfires, but it would totally ignore his IM3 arc, which starts and ends with him controlling armors remotely, for him to just make another suit, especially if it involves leaving Pepper to go fight when he can just have JARVIS or some other AI handle it.
Where did you get Tony's IM3 story arc being about "divorcing himself from wearing a suit....?" He was still wearing an upgraded suit; the problem he kept having was in trying to get the pieces to fly to him remotely. The purpose of the 42 wasn't to be autonomous from Tony; it was to be able to fly to him anywhere in the world ASAP whenever he needed it.

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Where did you get Tony's IM3 story arc being about "divorcing himself from wearing a suit....?" He was still wearing an upgraded suit; the problem he kept having was in trying to get the pieces to fly to him remotely. The purpose of the 42 wasn't to be autonomous from Tony; it was to be able to fly to him anywhere in the world ASAP whenever he needed it.
If the purpose did not include it being autonomous then he would not have been testing it to work autonomously at home and then prove how useful that could be later in the film as it allowed him to be in two places at once. Don't ignore that just because it also served other purposes. Also, if remote functionality was not important to him, he would not have designed *every single suit he built since Avengers* to work remotely/autonomously.

As for where I get the idea of divorcing himself from wearing a suit, there is a significant chunk of the film where he is suitless and proves he is heroic without it, this is the basis for the statement at the end of the film "I am Iron Man." He is the hero even without the suit, the inventing is what makes him a superhero, not the invention. There will always be another invention, as he proves by fishing his dummy robot arms out of the drink. He's learned he doesn't need the suit to be a hero. Even if he still likes the suit, he doesn't have the dependence on it, also symbolized by the removal of the arc reactor. That's what I mean by divorcing and it's all but spelled out in the film.

Also, I think that by making him directly responsible for Killian, they were testing out the audience's reaction to Tony being at fault for the villain's creation.

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Whoa, what? Tony is directly responsible for Killian becoming a villain?

.......no. Nonononono. It was entirely Killian's stupid fault for picking the worst time possible to get Tony's attention. You do not try to cockblock the world's biggest playboy on the biggest party night of the millenium as he is about to get laid, all for your own personal gains. That's not a sympathetic character. That is what I call an ***hole.

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.......no. Nonononono. It was entirely Killian's stupid fault for picking the worst time possible to get Tony's attention. You do not try to cockblock the world's biggest playboy on the biggest party night of the millenium as he is about to get laid, all for your own personal gains. That's not a sympathetic character. That is what I call an ***hole.

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.......no. Nonononono. It was entirely Killian's stupid fault for picking the worst time possible to get Tony's attention. You do not try to cockblock the world's biggest playboy on the biggest party night of the millenium as he is about to get laid, all for your own personal gains. That's not a sympathetic character. That is what I call an ***hole.
Assuming you're serious (which I probably shouldn't), Killian was not out for his own personal gain. He thought that helping veterans get their limbs back was more important than getting laid. Tony helped him see the error of his ways. That was the point of Tony's narration, that Tony's actions came back to haunt him and almost end life as we know it. And the audience didn't hate him, in fact, if you're serious, the audience actually feels like it's the villains fault for being of such poor character that they would dare interrupt Tony's fun!

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Assuming you're serious (which I probably shouldn't), Killian was not out for his own personal gain. He thought that helping veterans get their limbs back was more important than getting laid. Tony helped him see the error of his ways. That was the point of Tony's narration, that Tony's actions came back to haunt him and almost end life as we know it. And the audience didn't hate him, in fact, if you're serious, the audience actually feels like it's the villains fault for being of such poor character that they would dare interrupt Tony's fun!
Half serious and half joking. I was joking about the way I phrased it but serious in the sense that he picked the worst time possible to present his idea to Tony, then acts all surprised and has an entire outlook on life because his attempt failed, then we are meant to feel sympathetic for him due to it (at least at first).

Let me rewrite that in a more serious way. You are at a huge party on New Years Eve 1999. This is arguably the most exciting night of the millennium and people just want to relax and enjoy themselves. Even the world's greatest accomplishers would want to relax on such night. You see someone you admire that you want to present your project to. It is common decency to leave them alone if you see them having a good time and not hit them in the head with some big work project. Of course that "leaving him/her alone" doesn't mean not talking to them at all. You can still communicate with them, still have drinks with them, still briefly bring up your project/idea on the side and ask the person you admire if he is interested in seeing it, etc.

However, Killian conducts himself in the most unprofessional way possible. He follows Tony to the elevator, bombards him with tons of information on his research as he is in the middle of something and then expects to cut some sort of agreement with him that same sign. He doesn't seem to realize that his chances at getting Tony's attention would have been significantly higher had he approached him in a more subtle way at the party or if he had approached him the next morning/day during a more quiet appropriate time? I don't see how it would even be debatable that his chances would have been significantly higher had he picked a better time and/or a better way to conduct himself. I don't feel sympathy for Killian due to that. It is almost as if he half-ass'd a resume then was shocked he didn't get the job.

As for him being out for "personal gain", what I was referring to his the presumed deal he would sign with Tony. He would help veterans get their limbs back, but would also gain some wealth + fame from that. Hence him trying to "cockblock" Tony for "personal gain" .

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