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Old 11-12-2013, 05:34 PM   #151
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I like how all of the Avengers kill. Sets them apart from the JL. Every Avengers member in the MCU has killed before.

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I agree. I like that aspect. They do what needs to be done, but are still heroes. One has been a warrior for hundreds of years, one is a super soldier from ww2, and two are shield assassins. Lol. It only makes sense.

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Maybe he wasn't *allowed* to mention that to anyone.....

Someone in one of the Cap threads came up with an interesting question: what if Winter Soldier was sent to assassinate Howard Stark, and the car "accident" that killed him back then was no accident...?
This is very possible.

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By extension, if Zola and (Howard) Stark were working together on a black ops "Project Ultron" in the 70s, and the operation went fubar (or at least showed signs of it), how would Zola react if Howard tried to shine a light on it to get it shut down?
Then why didn't Zola ever try using him again? Especially if he killed the guy who could stop the project already? I think there are holes in this idea.

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I dunno....I've never seen any evidence that Tony just wants to lead a normal life. He genuinely relishes his role as a superhero, so I don't see him wanting to create a proxy and fully autonomous Iron Man to do his work for him. If that was truly his goal, wouldn't he just back off and let Rhodey handle hero duty as WM/IP? Or even give him the Iron Man suit outright, as he did in the comics from time to time?
He did blow up his Iron Man suits in Iron Man 3 symbolically to lessen the distractions in his life. I think this could very well be an extension of that. Rhodey works for the government. He is limited by orders. Stark exists outside of that, so maybe he was trying to create an artificial hero that wasn't limited by the whims of corrupt bureaucrats.

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Then why is Deadpool only with Fox? I consider him as much of a "street hero" as he is an X-Men character.
A) because he's a mutant

B) ummm he's still HEAVILY tied into the X-men universe... and there characters. Hell the new game was full of X-men even.

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I agree. I like that aspect. They do what needs to be done, but are still heroes. One has been a warrior for hundreds of years, one is a super soldier from ww2, and two are shield assassins. Lol. It only makes sense.
I don't think their use of deadly force is a virtue, per se. Rather, I think what is a virtue is how the story *rejects* the regular comic book idea of non-lethality as the sole measure of heroism.

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Do you guys think we'll hear Thor say his classic line, "Ultron we will have words with thee", in this movie?



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I don't think Stark will willingly create Ultron, but I think his tech will be used. They already laid some of the groundwork for it by showing that he's building autonomous units that can fight his battles without him actually being in the suit. By the end of IM3, the units were controlling themselves.
Not true. Jarvis was controlling them. Thought that was pretty clear

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awesome timeline, can't wait to see the AoS and TtDW updates once it's clear where they fall

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Not true. Jarvis was controlling them. Thought that was pretty clear
Yes. I know. JARVIS is an AI and not Tony Stark, which was my point. Tony wasn't controlling anything.

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Half serious and half joking. I was joking about the way I phrased it but serious in the sense that he picked the worst time possible to present his idea to Tony, then acts all surprised and has an entire outlook on life because his attempt failed, then we are meant to feel sympathetic for him due to it (at least at first).

Let me rewrite that in a more serious way. You are at a huge party on New Years Eve 1999. This is arguably the most exciting night of the millennium and people just want to relax and enjoy themselves. Even the world's greatest accomplishers would want to relax on such night. You see someone you admire that you want to present your project to. It is common decency to leave them alone if you see them having a good time and not hit them in the head with some big work project. Of course that "leaving him/her alone" doesn't mean not talking to them at all. You can still communicate with them, still have drinks with them, still briefly bring up your project/idea on the side and ask the person you admire if he is interested in seeing it, etc.

However, Killian conducts himself in the most unprofessional way possible. He follows Tony to the elevator, bombards him with tons of information on his research as he is in the middle of something and then expects to cut some sort of agreement with him that same sign. He doesn't seem to realize that his chances at getting Tony's attention would have been significantly higher had he approached him in a more subtle way at the party or if he had approached him the next morning/day during a more quiet appropriate time? I don't see how it would even be debatable that his chances would have been significantly higher had he picked a better time and/or a better way to conduct himself. I don't feel sympathy for Killian due to that. It is almost as if he half-ass'd a resume then was shocked he didn't get the job.
He clearly doesn't realize. He has no social cognizance whatsoever. When Tony says they'll meet on the roof, any real person would realize they were getting punk'd and walked away. Not Killian, he believed it 100%, and never questioned it until he started contemplating suicide. Killian didn't act surprised, he was genuinely shocked that partying or sex could be considered more important than world changing research. Genuinely shocked that someone respectable like Tony Stark would, *gasp* LIE! This guy doesn't even know how to dress, and you honestly think he is capable of party etiquette and subtlety!? The movie went to comically absurd lengths to drive home his social ineptitude and innocence. Until this conversation I thought they overdid it, but apparently they didn't go far enough for some.

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This is a guy who lives his life for fame and fortune?

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Do you guys think we'll hear Thor say his classic line, "Ultron we will have words with thee", in this movie?
I wish, but the movie version of Thor doesn't talk like that, so it would be weird for him to say "thee" all of a sudden. And without it the line doesn't pack the same punch.

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what if ultron is jarvis jr ?

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When does this film shoot anyways?

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Do you guys think we'll hear Thor say his classic line, "Ultron we will have words with thee", in this movie?

It would be cool to have some version of it. Movie Thor doesn't do the "thee, thou" thing.

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February/March I think.
If Jeremy Renner returns for Mission Impossible 5, it may conflict with this film.

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Given we already know the MI5 filming date, it will. Puzzled as to why the start is so early; Star Wars filming around that time is sensible because it's going to be the biggest ****ing movie ever and has tons of effects shots that need completing, but Mission Impossible is a spy franchise with mostly practical effects. Skyfall was announced, filmed and released in the space of a year. I don't see why this needs 22 months to get made...

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He clearly doesn't realize. He has no social cognizance whatsoever. When Tony says they'll meet on the roof, any real person would realize they were getting punk'd and walked away. Not Killian, he believed it 100%, and never questioned it until he started contemplating suicide. Killian didn't act surprised, he was genuinely shocked that partying or sex could be considered more important than world changing research. Genuinely shocked that someone respectable like Tony Stark would, *gasp* LIE! This guy doesn't even know how to dress, and you honestly think he is capable of party etiquette and subtlety!? The movie went to comically absurd lengths to drive home his social ineptitude and innocence. Until this conversation I thought they overdid it, but apparently they didn't go far enough for some.
....That's exactly my point. I know Killian has no clue about how basic societal and human interactions work. That's not my issue. My issue with the film is the film's attitude/opinion towards what happened in 1999. At least up until the reveal, the film tries to paint Killian as a sympathetic character and acts as if Killian being a villain is Tony's fault almost in the same way how the Joker's body counts are Batman's fault. That is my issue. It is entirely Killian's own stupid fault for approaching Tony in the most unprofessional way possible and failing to get his attention, something we both seem to agree on. It is not what happened that I take issue with but the film's opinion on who was at fault over what happened that I take issue with (at least in the first half). That idea really bugs me.


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Well, he does have that "I will take over the world!" charicatural villain face in this shot.

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....That's exactly my point. I know Killian has no clue about how basic societal and human interactions work. That's not my issue. My issue with the film is the film's attitude/opinion towards what happened in 1999. At least up until the reveal, the film tries to paint Killian as a sympathetic character and acts as if Killian being a villain is Tony's fault almost in the same way how the Joker's body counts are Batman's fault. That is my issue. It is entirely Killian's own stupid fault for approaching Tony in the most unprofessional way possible and failing to get his attention, something we both seem to agree on. It is not what happened that I take issue with but the film's opinion on who was at fault over what happened that I take issue with (at least in the first half). That idea really bugs me.
So you hold people at fault who don't know any better, as opposed to the self absorbed liars they believe? That's interesting.

The difference with Batman & Joker is that it wasn't Tony's ignoring him that made him what he is, it was Tony's deliberately cruel practical joke made at the expense of Killian's life's work. Batman simply doesn't act as Joker's judge and jury. We can hold, I don't know, the government responsible for Joker's actions. We can't hold anyone but Tony responsible for putting Killian on a roof by himself to contemplate life.

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Given we already know the MI5 filming date, it will. Puzzled as to why the start is so early; Star Wars filming around that time is sensible because it's going to be the biggest ****ing movie ever and has tons of effects shots that need completing, but Mission Impossible is a spy franchise with mostly practical effects. Skyfall was announced, filmed and released in the space of a year. I don't see why this needs 22 months to get made...
It may also mean that Hawkeye will be recast (they've done it before) or they give him a major role in AoU only to kill him off.

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