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Old 11-05-2013, 12:13 PM   #1
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Those are teaser poster for Marvels upcoming crossover series Inhumanity. From what i gather, it seems like the Terrigen Mist is going to spread and people affected by it will be ostracized, similar to what the X-Men go through.

It has been discussed here for a while and i really do think Inhumans are the perfect replacement for mutation in the MCU. Kevin Feige has already name dropped the inhumans multiple times and at this point, i'm certain an Inhuman movie is the 2nd movie for 2017. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are probably going to have their powers explained by exposure to the Terrigen Mist.



For those of you who watch Agents of SHIELD, i believe Scorch is our first Inhuman. if you remember early in the episode, Coulson says SHIELD has a list of people with seemingly natural occuring powers whom they keep an eye on. No explanation was ever given to the origin of Scorch's powers and i believe they are saving that for the movie later on.

So what do you guys think? I think its a great idea and makes a ton of sense. Plus, the Inhumans are so obscure that Marvel kinda has a clean slate to go where they like in terms of storytelling, characters, powers etc and not have to adhere to certain tropes like X-men have to do.

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I would rather there is no replacement for Mutants at all.

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I like the fact that there are now people with powers in the MCU without a known origin, since that makes them mutants without having to drop that name, but i don't want any replacement to that, expecially if they force that into the comics too.

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Yeah, I saw this one coming. It makes sense. The MCU needs 'mutants' because it ties too much into everything.

I'm not so convinced Scorch is an Inhuman, I think they left it open just to leave it open. If they move forward with Inhumans, they can retroactively reference him, if not, he's just a mystery... or they could tie him into something entirely separate.

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This is why i hate Disney. Messing with the comics for the sake of the MCU.

X-Men is Marvel. Just cos Disney don't control 5/5 aspects of them doesn't mean they should attempt to replace them.

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Disney is letting Marvel do whatever they want as long as they make a ton of money, so i don't think it's their fault at all.

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X-Men is Marvel. Just cos Disney don't control 5/5 aspects of them doesn't mean they should attempt to replace them.
They are not 'replacing'. Its more of a substitute for the movies. And as far as i know, Inhumanity is a limited series.

X-men are still clearly the big dog here, but if the MCU is looking for a way to populate the world with superpowered people, this is a great way to do it IMO. And the Inhuman royal family has strong ties to GOTG, Thanos and cosmic marvel in general. it makes sense.

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Thats regarding adapting source material to a different medium. Not the reverse.

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This is why i hate Disney. Messing with the comics for the sake of the MCU.
For someone that complains all the time about Fox getting hate you sure love throwing it the other way.

For one Matt Fraction is one of the best writers out there. Nothing wrong with throwing Inhumans a bone and doing something differrent in comics as well as film. We've had a war between Avengers and Mutants plus the team up of that going on for years. If they are replacing Mutants with Inhumans within their film universe it makes perfect sense. Enough so that many fans were able to call it. They wont be able to fully replace X-Men in the comic universe no matter how hard they try....

Bottom line is no one is getting replaced in the comic world. X-Men will always be there and gets plenty of recognition in current comics. It shows no slowing down and always high sales. Ya got Uncanny X-Men, Wolverine and The X-Men, X-Men, All New X-Men, Amazing X-Men, Cable and X-Force, Uncanny X-Force, X-Factor plus multiple Wolverine and Deadpool titles. Not to mention the Avenger teams with X-Men. X-Men are not replaced by this crossover event. You can't simply replace those iconic characters. They are too important. Your crazy if you think Disney or Marvel are trying to get rid of their best selling comics.


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For someone that complains all the time about the Fox getting hate you sure love throwing it the other way.

For one Matt Fraction is one of the best writers out there. Nothing wrong with throwing Inhumans a bone and doing something differrent in comics as well as film. We've had a war between Avengers and Mutants plus the team up of that going on for years. If they are replacing Mutants with Inhumans within their film universe it makes perfect sense. Enough so that many fans were able to call it. They wont be able to fully replace X-Men in the comic universe no matter how hard they try....
Yep. Matt Fraction is the reason i'm excited for that series. his hawkeye run is the best thing that has come out of Marvel for a long time IMO

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Yep. Matt Fraction is the reason i'm excited for that series. his hawkeye run is the best thing that has come out of Marvel for a long time IMO
Hell yeah, Hawkeye is an amazing title right now. Fraction is on a roll.

Hickmans Infinity has been great as well. I like the story and what they are doing with Inhumans quite a bit. Been way more interesting then the past Marvel crossovers.


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OK, for someone who doesn't know much about Inhumans, what should I know? I've only seen them as guest starts in a few places (mostly while reading CW & GotG).

I know that they were the product of Kree genetic experiments with past humans (this sounds like an interesting idea). If I'm not mistaken they live somewhere on the moon and keep largely to themselves? I know their leader can't talk because his voice is too powerful, and there's a lady who must require tons of shampoo each day, and some other guy who's really smart, and a blonde who I think married Quicksilver?

Honestly, I don't know what kind of story would be told with these characters (in the MCU). I hope that doesn't come off as sounding flippant or dismissive -- I'm just really clueless, and kinda curious to know more.


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I don't mind Marvel exploring X-men territory just as long it's not half-baked.

I hope it's memorable and thought-provoking, not just a cheap knock off.

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I hope it's memorable and thought-provoking, not just a cheap knock off.
Despite sharing some similarities, the Inhumans are pretty different in setup than the X-men. They have a monarchy system to begin with so that alone sets them apart.

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Except they're not replacing mutans. People who aren't actually reading the comics or aren't paying attention to interview are seeing this and taking it the wrong way. Marvel is doing Inhumanity to push Inhumans more to mainstream comic readers, not to replace mutants. That's not the point of Inhumanity. Inhumanity won't be about Inhumans getting discriminated against which is the mutant's schtick, it will be about an ancient civilization who has been used to hiding in the shadows being forced to come out and how the kingdom deals with it while at the same time their king (Black Bolt) is "dead" (he's not really). It's more of a political, Game of Thrones type of thriller event/status quo change than a replacement for the X-Men.

And it will be that way in the movies as well. You can't have Inhumans replace mutants because they're not mutants. They're not an evolution of humans that people are afraid they will be replaced by, they're a small civilization who only receive powers when they're subjected to Terrigenesis. And I highly doubt the Inhumans movie will be about the world getting sprayed by Terrigen Mist.

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Except they're not replacing mutans. People who aren't actually reading the comics or aren't paying attention to interview are seeing this and taking it the wrong way. Marvel is doing Inhumanity to push Inhumans more to mainstream comic readers, not to replace mutants. That's not the point of Inhumanity. Inhumanity won't be about Inhumans getting discriminated against which is the mutant's schtick, it will be about an ancient civilization who has been used to hiding in the shadows being forced to come out and how the kingdom deals with it while at the same time their king (Black Bolt) is "dead" (he's not really). It's more of a political, Game of Thrones type of thriller event/status quo change than a replacement for the X-Men.

And it will be that way in the movies as well. You can't have Inhumans replace mutants because they're not mutants. They're not an evolution of humans that people are afraid they will be replaced by, they're a small civilization who only receive powers when they're subjected to Terrigenesis. And I highly doubt the Inhumans movie will be about the world getting sprayed by Terrigen Mist.
Agreed. thats why the title says 'substitute' not replacements.

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This is why i hate Disney. Messing with the comics for the sake of the MCU.

X-Men is Marvel. Just cos Disney don't control 5/5 aspects of them doesn't mean they should attempt to replace them.
Why do you watch the MCU movies when all you do is bash them? Just curious. You didn't think all that highly at all of Cap 2 trailer and didn't like TDW.

And Disney has done good movies. They do a fantastic job with their non Pixar Animated films recently. Wreck it Ralph is a good movie and I hear a lot of great things about Frozen. Disney received strong praise for reviving The Muppets properly and there are some nice things we here coming out of the sequel. The jury is out on whether or not Star Wars will have the same critical and fan success as the Muppets, but I would not be surprised if it doesn't.

You cannot lump everything Disney has done as just Marvel Superheros. They have other brands like Star Wars, Muppets and Pixar. Again, The Muppets received high praise....that came from Disney.

Just because you hate MCU doesn't mean you need to hate all of Disney. I wasn't a fan of Iron Man 3 and I think the MCU has been a mixed bag, but I 100% enjoyed the Muppets. The Muppets was done properly with two guys (Nick Stoller and Jason Segel) who are lifelong Muppets fans. It received wide praise. I look forward to the sequel with great anticipation.

So don't lump everything MCU into Disney because of the fact that Disney has many properties.

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Agreed. thats why the title says 'substitute' not replacements.
I don't even agree that they're being substituted. They're nothing like mutants aside from the fact they have powers. I doubt discrimination will be a big theme in their movie.

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I think similar themes are bound to show up in some form. Won't know till the story, film and tie ins are released. Theres nothing wrong with it either way.

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I don't even agree that they're being substituted. They're nothing like mutants aside from the fact they have powers. I doubt discrimination will be a big theme in their movie.
In an interview with Entertainment Weekly prior to the release of IM3, Kevin Feige mentioned using the Inhumans as a way to explore "social drama" and directly referenced FOX's X-Men series. Intoducing "born that way" superheroes into the MCU would almost certainly include elements of fear, isolation and discrimination as well. This would fit in well with the "alien sleeper cell" plot rumor rather than the "Game of Thrones" version, which to me is too similar to Thor.

Though Marvel wont be cancelling their X-Men titles anytime soon, film rights issues will likely have all new non-cosmic/gamma/radioactive insect/alien bio weapon created superheroes to be Terrigen rather than X-Gene in origin.

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Except they're not replacing mutans. People who aren't actually reading the comics or aren't paying attention to interview are seeing this and taking it the wrong way. Marvel is doing Inhumanity to push Inhumans more to mainstream comic readers, not to replace mutants. That's not the point of Inhumanity. Inhumanity won't be about Inhumans getting discriminated against which is the mutant's schtick, it will be about an ancient civilization who has been used to hiding in the shadows being forced to come out and how the kingdom deals with it while at the same time their king (Black Bolt) is "dead" (he's not really). It's more of a political, Game of Thrones type of thriller event/status quo change than a replacement for the X-Men.

And it will be that way in the movies as well. You can't have Inhumans replace mutants because they're not mutants. They're not an evolution of humans that people are afraid they will be replaced by, they're a small civilization who only receive powers when they're subjected to Terrigenesis. And I highly doubt the Inhumans movie will be about the world getting sprayed by Terrigen Mist.
I took your advice to heart and read the interviews. I'm even more convinced they're being positioned as a substitute for the X-Men now.

If the goal is Game of Thrones, why are we finding out about tons of Inhumans on Earth who don't know they're Inhumans at all? Inhumanity is basically an origin story anthology... it ties into Game of Thrones but why is the best way to tell a Game of Thrones story mirroring the mutant explosion phenomenon. The answer: It's not.

Why is the Inhumans, generally a group of people who have been quite content and often very successful at telling everyone else in the universe to bugger off... why are they the vehicle for a story about alienation and disenfranchisement?

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And these characters endure because there's something amazing about a secret royal family that begs for big mythic stories.

More on Marvel.com: http://marvel.com/news/story/20866/b...#ixzz2jowsqaYO
So the schtick is the same. Further, there's not a big difference between being hated for being a weapon designed by the Kree and being hated for being the next step in evolution that wipes out humanity. There's not much different from the soap opera of the X-Men mansion and the medival politics of the Inhuman Royal Court either, for that matter.

Now, if you really want to place bets that this won't be implemented in the MCU as it is a 100% perfect substitute for mutancy, be my guest. But I'm not taking that action.

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With "Registered Gifted" and the Inhumans, Marvel has completely solved its no-mutants dilemma.


This is a brilliant idea. Marvel needed a way of explaining powers in its film/television universe, and the Inhumans provide the perfect solution. The absence of mutants leaves a hole that the Inhumans can fill very easily. It seems that the Inhumanity event is being used to introduce the concept of widespread Terrigen-caused transformations. The comics side of Marvel generally sucks but it's a good-enough place to set out new ideas like this.


The Kree are being introduced in GOTG, which is a great lead-in/connection to the Inhumans. Maybe eventually Marvel will get around to doing the Kree/Skrull War, or some variation on it.

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The Kree are being introduced in GOTG, which is a great lead-in/connection to the Inhumans. Maybe eventually Marvel will get around to doing the Kree/Skrull War, or some variation on it.
I was thinking one possible post-credit scene for a Captain/Ms Marvel movie would be a Skrull reporting to his leader that the Kree have renewed their investigations of a remote back-water planet called Earth.

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aren't the inhumans part of the FF package held by fox?

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